05:49:25 Only coin you’ll ever need is monero 05:55:04 I do hope there's some more energy-efficient alternative eventually, though. But this is the best we have currently and for some foreseeable future. 05:58:07 Monero also can't do smart contracts. Doing smart contracts in a private way is a whole complex matter. 05:59:01 For pure financial privacy though, Monero is the best in the space. 05:59:25 fair point. 05:59:26 Still not perfect, but we're working on it. 06:01:15 Are those smart contracts even important outside of being a buzzword? 06:02:23 Yes. Atomic swaps rely on them, for starters. Currently you can atomic swap between Monero and a coin that supports scripts like BTC and LTC, but not between two privacy coins. 06:02:44 We don't need to go full Ethereum. Even simply scripting would add a lot of utility. 06:02:49 Ah! Didn't know that. 06:02:52 simple* scripting 06:04:48 Swap contracts also make L2s things like payment channels a lot easier to implement. 06:04:55 smart* contracts 06:30:11 SupportXMR has 59.5% of instant hashrate currently https://irc.gammaspectra.live/74bef052c8704cb9/image.png 06:31:29 however that's due to miningpoolstats not recognizing nanopool 06:31:48 44% with nanopool included (when it works) https://irc.gammaspectra.live/50d87701139efdb3/image.png 06:32:36 https://blocks.p2pool.observer/pools 40.56% last week hashrate 07:04:10 Don't give us heart attacks. > SupportXMR has 59.5% of instant hashrate currently https://irc.gammaspectra.live/74bef052c8704cb9/image.png 07:04:34 it's still growing. but I have seen a couple of people elsewhere post 60% pics cause of API issues 07:05:09 I made the pools page on the explorer to take into account unknown / unreported hash 07:05:31 but ofc, it's medium term for the last week. it doesn't capture instant changes 07:13:25 The only way out of this is if we all mine on the p2p. I personally mined on p2pmini for over an year, until i actually had to start using my coins. Most of payment processors refused my coins due to my wallet being flooded with TXOs from the pool. I had to break the transfer in smaller payments. Since then, I moved onto ordin [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/pbnPxdUKVUNvbWJW ] 07:13:29 Merry Christmas Eve, Monero Miners! :D 07:14:16 Merry Xmas folks! 07:14:54 For this Christmas, my goal is to make my Matrix server open to the public. 07:15:22 I'll check in with y'all later, keep me posted on whatever goes down :] 07:22:19 What are the unknown hashrates here? And why is this list significantly shorter than the one on miningpoolstats? Are these 2 related? > https://blocks.p2pool.observer/pools 40.56% last week hashrate 07:22:38 unknown hashrate is untracked pools or solo miners. 07:22:51 it's fine, people mine on their own 07:23:02 miningpoolstats reports values from pools API 07:23:20 https://blocks.p2pool.observer/pools works solely from Monero blocks - calculating difficulty from actual blocks found 07:23:34 it works even when pools are down, and if they provide view keys, it even does attribution 07:23:53 if a pool has not found a block during ~last week it won't show up. 07:24:12 I track many more for attribution api-wise, they just don't show up unless a block is there 07:24:45 "What are the unknown hashrates here" it's blocks without attributed pool or entity. which is fine. 07:27:47 The unknown hashrates are one with no identifier and 2 with an ID in brackets. Do I get it right the former being solo miners and the later being 2 unknown pools? 07:31:03 no 07:31:13 that's just showing patterns in their extra nonces 07:31:23 it might indicate it's the same entity who mined that set of blocks. or not 07:32:04 it's whatever they put on extra nonce on the miner tx https://p2pool.io/explorer/tx/65ae2e4893fea59dbd96f76d688e7ebb69baa206c13c0d4a6b17583ca2e24b5f 07:32:45 if there's more than 3 with same specific instance id per week set, they get split off from "Unknown" 07:33:08 Unknown does have many with values in extra nonces. but if I'd split them, the page would make no sense 07:42:49 here's what happens when I disable the aggregation/coalescing https://irc.gammaspectra.live/b607d3863ef14451/image.png 07:57:03 BlueyHealer: solar panels? 08:08:13 Cindy, I was talking about the currency, not energy sources. 08:37:49 Thanks for explanation. This pools observer is actually more helpful in most scenarios. > https://blocks.p2pool.observer/pools works solely from Monero blocks - calculating difficulty from actual blocks found 09:01:06 i'm not cryptographically savvy enough to do it so i implemented a block explorer in typescript and used woodser's wallet implementation to get the functionality > On mine if you are on a transaction you can pass txkey+addr, or viewkey+addr, or proof+addr and it'll verify it against the tx 09:02:01 that's some long term reply, I had to come check out what was the context :D 09:02:12 bridge just sends the message you reply to as context 09:14:30 Considering the channels are logged publicly, maybe the bridge should link to the message in the logs when the original message is old. 09:17:02 oh - i was trying to replicate the checktxkey functionality outside of having a running wallet rpc but hitting a wall trying to code it (was using onion-monero-explorer as the base because it has that functionality) 09:18:49 but im not proficient w/ c++. i found woodser's typescript library has it implemented through it's wasm whatever integration https://woodser.github.io/monero-ts/typedocs/classes/MoneroCheckTx.html 09:19:46 kind of a happy medium. it's still a wallet ish process but not a running wallet i'd need to keep online with rpc interface, native to the rest of the code in my repo 09:39:02 @torir:matrix.org: the link in logs is totally different from what it'd generate 09:39:31 the replies also has more special handling needed, like converting threads or handling username/deleted messages 09:39:58 like, I remembered the message I just had to click to go back in context 09:40:58 not all channels are logged, that's why mrelay also has a server for all its own linkings 09:41:22 also: something IRC hates with bridges. links everywhere. 09:42:17 that makes it useless, one of the issues MAI had. I still dump them out as needed (long code snippets, media, 5+ lines messages) but it tries to handle replies in short form, or long context form as needed 09:42:54 people do the same thing in IRC. Quote some message from several days ago, reply to it. Then you need to remember context or go back in backlog :) 09:51:30 @lza_menace: doesn't that still call RPC in the end? 09:52:14 Yeah, check_tx_key from me looking at source code 09:52:44 given you only have the txid you still need to get the transaction at some point, yeah 09:53:00 So in the end it goes back to monero code itself :) 09:53:22 All the reimplementations started due to needing calls to transactions or blocks that monero might be unaware of yet, or orphans :) 09:53:33 Then ... scope grew past P2Pool 09:53:53 You can see all I implement https://git.gammaspectra.live/P2Pool/consensus#libraries-in-this-package and https://git.gammaspectra.live/P2Pool/consensus#other-maintained-external-libraries 10:32:45 DataHoarder is very cool 11:02:31 totally not an alt 11:02:59 you'd be weird if i was an alt 11:22:26 Is it possible to mine using p2pool via i2p? 11:22:31 I'm not quite sure how the network communication works. 11:23:17 yes, but you'll find muchless peers to talk to 11:23:19 much less* 11:25:19 which would mean? 11:25:35 a lot more volatile reward? 11:26:34 someone should be like: If you join this i2p network, then you will get .1 xmr after your first week. 11:31:35 it means that you won't be able to find more people to submit shares to 11:32:28 I2P doesn't have a way of communicating with peers outside I2P like tor does 11:38:17 P2Pool doesn't support i2p 11:42:29 Cindy_, it does have outproxies though - just that they're kind of an afterthought 11:44:17 ...thanks Obama 11:45:49 no problem B) 11:50:25 just use p2pool with tor or something 11:50:33 oh wait, port listening 11:53:36 Listening is possible with tor, just on an .onion address 11:54:08 that is if the peer you're talking to knows how to handle .onion addresses 12:09:41 If it runs with for socks5 proxy, it knows 12:10:03 *tor socks5 12:35:03 https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1ptyym8/hot_take_most_web3_adoption_fails_because/ 12:35:12 anyone know wtf is this guy yapping about? 12:36:33 https://old.reddit.com/user/hotteeeeen 12:36:41 oh wow, it's just a cryptobro spammer 12:44:01 what's with the amount of scammers this christmas, holy shit 12:47:24 <321bob321> Probably get worse with AI 12:48:27 i guess when it's the holidays, and you got nothing better to do 13:40:36 Why is "presale" even important for a utility thing lol 13:50:11 BlueyHealer: it's a shitcoin 15:25:51 I think so, but it’s more abstracted away so I don’t care :) > <@datahoarder> doesn't that still call RPC in the end? 16:08:12 actually, it looks like it's using the same code as running check_tx_key in the wallet cli. it will utilize a running node to provide some details but it's not necessarily an rpc call to a wallet rpc interface 16:08:17 https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Awoodser%2Fmonero-ts%20check_tx_key&type=code 16:09:06 i wanted to avoid having to ship a wallet rpc process to keep next to the backend for querying, just another thing to break. this way feels cleaner to me 16:10:06 note that to see your link, people have to login to github 16:10:26 seriously? github locking their stuff down now i guess 16:10:28 lame 16:10:50 they have locked down search for a long time 16:11:27 didn't realize 16:11:56 wtf. Indeed. 16:12:19 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/EOSBlHwinqRMEYDNgFKrGeJt.png (image.png) 16:12:20 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/VEgSrjomdUBUyAaZTtHwyxjb.png (image.png) 16:13:10 so to run monero-ts.. you also need webassembly 16:13:27 Youve had to login to search within code for a long time 16:14:06 I wonder if you can just search bing with site:github.com🥲 16:27:52 Cindy_: :shrug: idk, i'm just a simple web dev. using a javascript runtime called deno that has typescript support 18:07:08 [Network Announcement] God will never leave Russia, he will continue to gift Russia his divine protection - watch President Putin's Christmas speech at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdQA0BlZwtY. Death to Trump, Elon, Zelenskyy and other fascists. 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