00:11:37 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: huh this is interesting 00:15:51 oh cool there's like a crypto club near where I live, should go see whasup lol 01:41:05 How to get other crypto listed in Retroswap/Haveno? 02:19:23 Request it on the listing repo 15:58:01 looking to stop paying annual fees for paymonero.com and payxmr.com . hopefully someone with a good rep wants to develop them and i can transfer. 18:15:38 Question: 18:15:38 Mining pool, is it safe to create a public pool and use a "local" public node that is widely used? I mean, it won't risk to make it slower for node user or make the pool slower because a lot of user use the node? 18:15:38 No idea what zmq does but does it use that instead of rpc (and does monerod use a different thread for that or it stuff it in the easy to overload rpc threads) 18:16:34 Yes : xmr.mx mining pool soon™ 18:16:52 @gingeropolous: What is should be about ? 18:18:35 Guys question about Adam back ? He is sold right ? He looks like someone controls him now 18:22:39 https://www.404media.co/github-ban-suspension-adult-modding-games-illusion/ 18:32:28 ZMQ Monero pushes data to you 18:32:42 RPC you poll Monero for data 18:33:00 p2pool uses ZMQ and gets mining data and transactions or blocks as fast as monerod gets them compared to RPC 18:33:19 i have a question related to monero_wallet (rust) 18:33:32 the functions that scan for received outputs work on ScannableBlocks 18:33:40 the question is, how do you get ScannableBlocks? 18:33:56 is there a part of monero-oxide that can provide connection to a monerod node? 18:44:38 is kayabaNerve here? 18:45:01 Generally. 18:45:38 well since you're the developer i think, uhh 18:45:49 would you be up to responding? :) 18:45:51 There was monero-oxide/rpc to fetch ScannableBlocks. We'll shortly be replacing it with monero-oxide/interface though (now that the PR is approved). 18:46:49 Ah. Merged four hours ago ^_^ 18:47:04 There's monero-oxide/interface, monero-interface. 18:47:41 https://monero-oxide.github.io/monero-oxide/monero_interface/index.html 18:48:01 The literal instantiation is monero-daemon-rpc and monero-simple-request-rpc. 18:49:15 oh, so very very very recent 18:49:23 good thing i asked now rather than 4 hours ago 18:49:25 :P 18:52:13 The PR has been around for a while and usable via its branch 😅 It's just only merged into main so recently. 18:55:14 kayabanerve: monero-daemon-rpc is just.. a lib.rs 18:56:20 i'd like to just read blocks from an existing monero node (C++ or cuprate or whatever) 19:02:10 i'm just dumb :P 19:02:19 i didn't actually look at the monero-oxide repository well 19:04:43 github banned developers making porn games for children? What took them so long? > https://www.404media.co/github-ban-suspension-adult-modding-games-illusion/ 19:05:38 adult is written on the headline 19:05:44 and several times throughout the article 19:06:42 where did you get the "for children" thing from 19:07:53 lmao Illusion studio mentioned, I have installed one of their games on my windows dual boot 19:08:12 didn't know that github had many mods for this type of games 19:09:27 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/IrZqJnUYHyXRjJzZJMvCukGq.png (Screenshot From 2026-01-07 19-07-33.png) 19:09:52 I believe this is what they call furry fetishism. I hope this is correct in english 19:10:14 And I have seen much worse than this picture 19:10:22 you have to be completely retarded to use shithub to begin with - oh wait... 19:10:55 I wish I never saw Naruto...not at that age. 19:10:56 "furry fetishism"? 19:11:02 the character in the pic is a human 19:11:17 "privacy coins" developers extensively use shithub-NSA while pretending to care about privacy 19:11:49 what did you eat today 19:11:49 are you intentionally being dumb :P 19:12:05 Cindy_: I don't really know the terms/labels 19:13:04 Also what's wrong with furries lol 19:13:26 LibDem: privacy focussed channels are plentiful on youtube. There's this thing called pragmatism .. 19:13:41 some people are very conservative :P 19:14:06 eddie - right, that's being a self-refuting clown who likes to pretend he's "pragmatic" 19:14:12 you can perfectly download monero from private gitlab instance, github is just a build engine 19:14:21 If you're outside of Youtube exclusively and trying to get people's attention to how bad Youtube is, the effectiveness is questionable lol 19:15:10 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/bpFGiEihakBzCRLCeSTwmspT.png (london dildo butt monkey.png) 19:15:19 BlueyHealer: you tell me please! 19:15:32 @marioob:matrix.org: what, why, .. 19:15:39 what the fuck is that 19:16:03 It's much, I know. Sorry. 19:16:09 i knew the NFTs gone down, but i didn't know they went THAT down :P 19:16:27 Is this one of the cases when you should be happy IRC doesn't have images? 19:16:47 yes 19:16:54 you can still post links to images 19:17:11 here it just make it easier I guess 19:17:52 Mari? Is it a Maribot member? 19:18:02 marioob are you complaining that shithub isn't retarded enough anyway? It's a complete shithole of course but you want even to engage in more censorship? 19:18:38 I mean "but you want them to engage in even more censorship?" 19:21:50 If you want an answer in the way you asked the question: inapropriate things should not even have made their way there. 19:21:50 The reality is they allow some things to happen in order to have excuse to do much worse censorship even on things completely lawful. 19:23:50 I see this frequently happening in real world. Is called: fabricate a problem and get fat on selling the solution. If I am not mistaken, the same goes with github here. 19:29:01 "get fat on selling the solution". Well, at least with GitHub we did not yet enter that phase? 19:29:26 this is microsoft in general 19:29:32 they never change 19:29:41 so we have some random guy here whining because shithub isn't censored enough 19:30:11 there's no problem with shithub, except that it needs more censorship to "protect the children" 19:30:20 can't make this shit up 19:30:48 which TLA do you work for mario? 19:30:59 Frankly, I wouldn't change either if I was what, the 3rd most valuable company on Earth. Why should I? 19:31:32 I might've missed something, but wasn't the subject in question illegal/immoral? 19:31:51 censorship is immoral yes 19:32:15 BlueyHealer: github took down repos because they were adult games or mods of adult games 19:32:21 and also suspended their accounts 19:32:38 but let me repeat this again, shithub is anti-privacy weapon - that's the only thing that matters 19:32:38 without any prior notice 19:32:44 glad I ditched them some years ago. Full on Linux now. Literally 0 big tech services I use. > they never change 19:32:54 Ah, sorry, lost the logs for the upper part of the conversation. 19:33:32 Anyway doesn't seem like something I'm interested in researching, and not interested in this conversation either. 19:34:13 LibDem knows best and is here to punish us all for everything wrong in the world 19:34:42 I certainly know better than a bunch of feds whining about "porn" on shihub plowsof 19:35:37 there's this gem too microshit is the "3rd most valuable company on Earth" -- haha valuable? 19:35:44 make sure to abide by the policy of the irc network you are on at the moment or you will be censored https://libera.chat/policies/ 19:35:45 I don't understand the reason for this personal attack. I am expressing my opinion and I do not force you to agree with it. And to be clear, I do not tolerate porn for any age. And I have a special kind of problem with child porn. It infects and corrupts human mind. > so we have some random guy here whining because shithub isn't censored enough 19:36:10 plowsof lolwhat - are you threatening me? 19:36:12 what is even going on here 19:36:22 Edgelords I guess. 19:36:36 LibDem: no, he's just telling you to not violate libera's policy 19:36:49 which is an absurd remark Cindy_ 19:36:59 well, #monero is not above libera's policy 19:37:14 liberas policy is meaningless - just an excuse for censorship 19:37:30 then just get out? 19:37:38 like one of those wind up monkeys 😆 19:37:51 you don't wanna be like #monero-pools :P 19:38:03 they thought they were above libera's policy, then they got closed down for good by the ops 19:38:05 it can be "enforced" by them whenever they want by "interpreting" it 19:38:14 and the ops are literally here watching so like 19:40:34 LibDem: just to be clear, this isn't a free speech room. neither this nor -offtopic 19:41:24 I see - this is a room to whine about porn in shithub. 19:41:37 which is obviously aligned with "privacy coins" 19:42:15 and if I laugh at the nonsense then I am "violating libera's policy" 19:42:33 is that right plowsof? 19:43:19 we can have offtopic discussions without turning it into a slur competition :P 19:43:29 y'know, there are boundaries 19:43:51 it's not like "oh, you can't talk about this shit at all" 19:44:52 marioob posting images (circling relavant parts) and following up with dildo rainbow bear or something? clearly not meant for this #monero room 19:45:50 yeah that's pretty true 19:48:37 why not share some large projects using git(hub) alternatives and compare features offered? 19:49:12 it went a bit sideways. With no intention. > we can have offtopic discussions without turning it into a slur competition :P 19:50:22 @plowsof:matrix.org: you have no option here to use content warnings like on mastodon. And that is public information. I saved it in case the deep state will take it down in future. 19:51:55 "Content of an explicit nature is discouraged and must consider the comfort and safety of others." - libera.chat policy 19:52:10 'discouraged' 19:52:14 so that's meaningless 19:52:36 lol I wonder where in their opinion the right to free speech ends, because judging by the... upload name, they seem to want to say absolutely whatever 19:52:42 patches can be submitted via IRC ... or even email, github provides alot of stuff and the juice seems to be worth the squeeze until they -delete our repos and arrest everyone- or some doomsday scenario - and in that case there are many people with local gits acting as backups (some are even hosting dedicated mirrors on other none github platforms) and the project lives on 19:52:54 BlueyHealer: ends at a k-line 19:53:27 plowof - oh you are a supporter of shithub-NSA - thanks for showing your hand - hilarious. 19:54:18 LibDem: no, it's not black and white 19:54:25 people can use github without supporting it 19:54:32 it's another form of submitting patches 19:54:37 thanks for reading my texts and sharing your summary, now then 19:55:26 people think this place is like a imageboard 19:55:40 they can just say whatever the fuck they want and upload whatever explicit content 19:55:59 LibDem please link alternatives / scenarios you are concerned about and we can see if they have been addressed in the real world already 19:56:16 plowsof: forgejo is working on federation btw 19:56:19 the hell do you mean 19:56:28 like activitypub federation, if this goes well, git forges can federate with each other 19:56:38 and then it would be a lot better than email or github 19:57:13 plowsof are you pretending shithub-NSA isn't the biggest NSA surveillance system tasked with surveil "software development"? 19:57:26 tasked with surveiling* 19:58:03 trust me, they can surveil software development even on a mailing list or fucking external git service 19:58:37 for example, some microsoft employees (executives i think) are subscribed to wine's mailing list 19:58:53 and? 19:59:08 i don't get what your point is :P 19:59:24 well that's your problem. 20:00:06 anyone can surveil a open source project, not just the NSA 20:00:17 google also does the same with invidious or unofficial youtube crap 20:00:24 ..... 20:00:31 and what is google? 20:00:41 a big tech company? 20:00:46 again, can't make this shit up 20:01:04 sorry Cindy_ I'm not playing your little game 20:01:17 fai 20:01:19 fair* 20:03:13 Git forges can federate? Nice. 20:03:45 forgejo is still working on it though 20:07:29 What about Radicle? peer to peer, nodes replicate repositories, uses Git 20:24:45 Would you use git if it were structured like monero-wallet-cli? 20:27:55 that makes no sense 20:28:18 Why? 20:28:26 It does 20:30:42 You could call monero transfer in a shell 20:31:31 monero tx-proof --signatur --message 20:35:58 git has a set of subcommands like git pull , git push, git clone etc. and command line options. --xyz 20:38:17 I know you hate me because I speak the truth. That's why I don't want to push you too far. Please just spend 5 minutes looking into the UNIX philosophy. 20:39:32 wut 20:41:29 monero reset --hard origin/master 20:42:01 lol 20:43:59 monero ui-reset --hard origin/master 21:03:26 git drain-wallet-without-password 21:04:34 AFAIK most database programs require you to enter into their own terminal to make changes, after you have been authenticated. Same with monero-wallet-cli. 21:04:47 monero rebase 21:06:54 Any empirical proof that Unix philosophy is better? Or is it just an empty slogan? 21:08:10 @rucknium: This is a joke, right? 21:08:16 No 21:08:24 No 21:08:30 No 21:09:00 Just because something sounds good does not mean that it is good. 21:10:24 Please help me, plowsof 21:15:19 A password is not an argument now. gpg is asking for a password if you want to sign something. > <@rucknium> git drain-wallet-without-password 21:18:11 IIRC, Unix philosophy says that programs should not require interactive input. Inputting a password is interactive. Or you can make it a command-line flag argument, but that's insecure because it's now in your bash history file. 21:19:01 rucknium: also arguments of another process are public to everyone else 21:19:07 including processes ran by another user 21:19:30 ENV arg! 21:19:40 cause even FD are not secret 21:20:19 FD = file descriptor? 21:20:56 yes 21:21:02 the ones in /proc//fd/... 21:21:15 you can even inject stuff into fd/console in specific conditions 21:21:35 you can't access fd/ easily though 21:21:39 So you think that if your system has been compromised, monero-wallet-cli would protect you in some way. 21:21:39 if you're another user 21:22:04 How do I get rid of the too many open files error? I get it a lot and I've tried to solve it without success. 21:22:13 rucknium: what program are you running 21:22:25 "too many open files" is usually a sign of bad programming 21:22:32 @pcre:matrix.org: It does because the wallet file is encrypted at rest with its password. 21:22:53 RStudio shows the error 21:23:16 rstudio? 21:23:18 roblox studio? 21:23:22 oh wait 21:23:26 no wait i'm dumb as fuck 21:23:27 yeah, not another user Cindy_, but you can trick programs 21:23:33 fdlimit, rucknium 21:23:36 Yes. Roblox Studio 21:23:42 you can get up to 64K easily 21:24:05 i feel like one of those 67 kids now 21:24:12 i know Roblox more than i know R 21:24:40 usually if you don't have that many files it means you aren't closing fd 21:25:00 i get the "too many open files" error with wine btw 21:25:04 wine compiled with ntsync 21:25:24 it opens waaaay too many FDs to /dev/ntsync and stops the program from reading/writing files 21:28:53 @rucknium: For critical commands, you also need a password and/or hardware wallet under a bash shell. 21:29:24 how do hardware wallets work btw 21:29:52 is it like a security chip inside, and the program just gives TX blobs in, signed TXs out? 21:29:59 (with consent from user) 21:30:35 The hardware wallet has the actual signing key. The software on a computer passes a tx to the hardware wallet. The hardware wallet signs it and passes it back to the software. 21:30:50 i guessed that :P 21:31:01 The hardware wallet never gives the signing key to the computer. 21:31:12 that would make it useless if it did 21:31:22 it's similar to TPM or ARM trustzone 21:31:32 processing happens inside, and no secret goes outside the processo 21:31:35 processor* 21:31:53 @marioob:matrix.org: >I believe this is what they call furry fetishism. I hope this is correct in english 21:31:53 maybe if yall were more inclusive to the furries, then the monero project wouldnt be still years behind tech-wise: 21:31:53 https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/421/commits/da6c47e734f4538cc47e63a5860f4b20abddcbc0 21:32:05 like literally how come we in 2026 and still no serai, still no quantum resistance, still no nothin 21:32:05 being all like luke dashjr up in this bitch, like "oh no, cant be doing nothing that the jeebus dont approve" 21:32:05 fucking retards stg 21:32:05 [... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/xZr8ntoKX1llblJU ] 21:32:06 also, videogamers literally be out here evading taxes since 2001 21:32:06 there's a whole videogamers market that is evading taxes, we been evading taxes way before monero yall fucking posers wannabes LMAO 21:32:06 https://monerochan.art/commissions/irs_spanking.jpg 21:32:16 >yall 21:32:22 references the comment of one user 21:32:35 one who i disagreed with 21:32:50 Signing processes that require high RAM or CPU are hard to execute on hardware wallets. AFAIK, Zcash still doesn't have z-address signing capability for hardware wallets, but I haven't checked that info in a few months. 21:35:23 I would like to know about the estimated transaction fees that would be incurred for the following scenarios: 21:35:23 A miner is sending 0.6 XMR that was acquired in 1 transaction. The miner mined a block solo. 21:35:24 A miner is sending 0.6 XMR that was acquired in 10 transactions. Each transaction is 0.06 (0.6 * 216/2160) XMR 21:35:24 A miner is sending 0.6 XMR that was acquired in 120 transactions. Each transaction is 0.005 (0.6 * 18/2160) XMR 21:35:25 A miner is sending 0.6 XMR that was acquired in 1080 transactions. Each transaction is ~5.5555556E-4 (0.6 * 2/2160) XMR 21:35:25 A miner is sending 0.6 XMR that was acquired in 2160 transactions. Each transaction is ~2.77777778E-4 (0.6 * 1/2160) XMR 21:35:26 If possible, I would also like to know the minimal feasible sent Monero; At what point will the network transaction fee be equal to or greater than an 'X' quantity of Monero that is being sent. 21:35:26 I am currently drafting an official request for the Monero Team/Community to look into reducing or eliminating transaction fees for the very first consolidation. 21:35:40 Ok. They have had it for a year: https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/its-here-zashi-keystone-hardware-wallet-integration-for-shielded-zec/49784 21:35:41 holy spam 21:36:10 why are you drafting a request 21:36:12 draft some code! 21:36:20 draft some.. math formula or some shit 21:36:28 this was discussed in a previous MRL 21:36:38 14:44:43 <@DataHoarder> https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/issues/388 21:36:38 14:44:47 <@DataHoarder> then also https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/issues/390 two days ago 21:36:45 Its a copy paste from reddit 21:37:01 https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/108 exists 21:37:03 that was the item discussed in MRL 21:37:44 For all of the current math, its pretty simple 21:39:17 what you are calling "transactions", become inputs to the consolidation. Each input added is ~500bytes @ 20000-80000 piconero per byte. therefore the cost to include each input is ~0.00001xmr 21:39:30 On low fee, and 0.00004 on normal 21:41:54 @datahoarder, 108 on ringct would create much smallet txs than a normal consolidation, since the coinbases wouldnt use rings. is this space saving possible in fcmp? 21:49:14 br-m Per the data you have provided, a miner receiving payouts in the form of ~2.77777777778E-4 (0.6 * 1/2160) XMR would be subject to losses of ~3.6% - ~14.4% to transaction fees when consolidating 21:51:26 @br-m Would the Monero Network be capable of identifying or tagging P2Pool payouts so that a P2Pool miner can avoid consolidation fees altogether? 21:56:36 @lmaofurries:matrix.org: I don't think I ever brought my sexual fantasies in a professional environment. If we would all do the same, we would be inclusive by definition. 21:58:11 there are NSFW artists :P 21:59:38 the name says it all "not safe" 😆 22:00:08 there are sexual games being made professionally, and were always made 22:00:29 @marioob:matrix.org: so very profesional lmao, lets all suit up to please the saylor moon: 22:00:32 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/NZnsRVOCBmnsnQHrfQItomRb.png (image.png) 22:00:44 I would convert monero-wallet-cli into a tui/ncurses wallet. Something like midnight commander + command line option. And additionally a UNIX-compliant wallet. Dreams are still allowed. 22:01:15 Cindy_: i made all the nsfw art in my own VN erogame before the AI thing was even a thing :3 22:01:24 cool 22:01:35 👍️ 22:01:51 i remember when sex games were not allowed on consoles 22:02:03 Things that can be done with a view-only wallet should simply be queryable on the shell. 22:02:20 this should be a offtopic discussion btw 22:03:01 Is it wrong to prefer decency over depravity? 🤨. Anyway, I will stop here as is deviating again from topic. > <@lmaofurries:matrix.org> @marioob:matrix.org: so very profesional lmao, lets all suit up to please the saylor moon: 22:03:49 Guest92: They are coinbases, and further, are coinbases that are paid to more than 1 recipient 22:03:49 mario, you sound like a christian dad :P 22:04:31 3 Wallets in toral. TUI /UI and GUI. 22:04:32 @marioob:matrix.org: remember to do ur prayer tonight and wake up at 7:00 precisely to do your mornin poo that u do everyday at the exact 7:00am, also brush ur teeth and no swearing, jeebus wouldnt like that 22:04:49