00:30:16 https://x.com/WebWipeMeDown/status/2010096076070789209 00:30:16 Monero meetup in Charlotte, NC this Friday 00:30:17 January 16th 00:31:54 @webwipe:matrix.org: Venue: Tip Top Daily Market 00:31:54 Friday January 16th 00:31:54 6-9 pm 00:31:54 2902 THE PLAZA, CHARLOTTE, NC 28205[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/7P3an9sKYVJrNXl4 ] 00:32:21 yo! which options leaves behind less metadata 00:32:21 1. Purchase XMR directly from a CEX 00:32:21 2. Purchase LTC directly from a CEX and swap to XMR using Trocador 00:33:58 Both leave metadata, but on trocador its splitted with two different data broker, except if the service you choose on trocador use thebsame CEX as the one you got the ltc, in that vase it make no difference +except that they know you tried to fuzz by using a swapper) 00:34:12 the one with less steps so 1 D: 00:34:26 Sorry for the typos, using a phone right now 00:35:14 all good thanks for the response. so 1) leaves behind less metadata, okay. 00:35:14 can chain analysis determine that when you send LTC to a swap service, that the swap was for XMR? 00:36:02 @remake6316:matrix.org: If the swap provider use the se CEX then the one you got the LTC, then yes 00:36:08 Same*** 00:36:39 after you buy from the CEX, send immediately to a non-custodial wallet 00:36:46 (aka. wallet with keys on your computer) 00:37:08 Yeah, and churn eet 00:37:37 If you dont own the keys, you dont own the crypto 00:37:42 many people make the mistake of leaving the money in the CEX 00:37:49 and then when their account gets frozen 00:37:54 that shit is GONE 00:38:11 Yep, even if its 2025... Threat the cex as a bank accout, so stupide 00:39:07 so it actually depends on the swap service if chain analysis can determine if your LTC was swapped for XMR? that doesn't make sense to me.. 00:39:36 cos whether or not the XMR you get comes from a CEX, on chain it will look the same 00:39:51 Your fine as long as the xmr endup in your wallet 00:39:56 it depends on if they got access to off-chain data 00:40:11 yeah, but I mean purely from public on chain data 00:40:16 To be double sure send the xmr to yourself (one output at at time) 00:41:19 how do y'all acquire your XMR? anyone DEX chads here? 00:41:35 or cash to mail gigachads? 00:41:44 I just get paid for coding service 00:41:56 that's dope 00:42:06 Buy I got enough that I just decided to retire 00:43:05 did they list the job as paid in XMR or did you arrange that afterwards. if the latter, was it hard to convince the payer to do monero? 00:43:46 Just arrange it. 00:43:46 Get them code preview... Then they like and want your code... 00:43:46 Then you tell then... No xmr... No code :) 00:44:19 Then they send you xmr even if you dont make a line of code in two month... 00:44:44 i wish i could retire on XMR 00:45:25 I wish I could GET xmr without KYC 00:45:42 Then take "vacation" for a month, and dont show up after a month becuase you dont care 00:45:57 im pretty computer literate but Haveno and Bisq looked complex af 00:46:09 keen to see what serai brings 00:46:22 Haveno is not hard to use 00:46:40 Its like localbitcorns or localmonero 00:46:58 Before they got executed by ussa or something 00:47:09 Generic p2p transaction 00:47:30 Literally, the same as binance p2p but decentralized 00:47:39 "Decentralized" 00:53:06 localmonero seemed to be used by loads of people and much simpler 00:53:30 i don't really hear of anyone using haveno, i hear of people saying you can use it for non-kyc p2p tx's, but not of people actually using it 00:53:36 not a single listing in my country either 00:53:59 Well, it was a web page and a nice app but of course... It was located in a ussa protectorate and they did not ask for Kidnap Your Customer™ so rhey got offed 00:54:16 Off-ed** 00:54:24 Like localbitcorns 01:05:12 remake6316 for haveno you can try making an ad if there are no ads 01:05:16 might work 02:21:28 @remake6316:matrix.org: I used it to buy my monero ehehe 03:02:34 @kriek:matrix.org: that's cool to hear! 11:19:32 If I need to interact with DEFI on ERC20, what do you think about anonymizing tokens via railgun? 11:21:47 didn't you say this before 11:22:27 <321bob321> Echo 11:23:27 A transaction input has less than 6 transactions please try again later what’s this error on cake wallet ? 11:24:18 It opens transactions In history and ask me to pay but refuse to pay from cake wallet now it’s all stuck 11:38:41 @milas900:matrix.org: contact their support 11:39:26 seems like you are lost in translation 13:53:07 i can see that monero-oxide is really meant for expert users (who understand most of the technical aspects behind monero) 13:53:53 like for example, getting the amount from a received output isn't as easy as just calling .amount() on a WalletOutput. you have to get the Pedersen commitment from the WalletOutput and then get the amount from there 14:01:41 tbf you could add a function that returns the amount from a WalletOutput, I don't really see the value as currently its just .commitment().amount. 14:01:41 The ecosystem is missing a high level wallet lib that abstracts all of monero's complexity away, this lib can be built on top of monero-oxide. 14:02:13 yeah i could just add stuff myself 14:14:42 Hi everyone! 14:14:42 Is there any way to run a private Monero node with RAM < 4 GB? The official guide (https://docs.getmonero.org/running-node/monerod-systemd/#monerod-config) just assumes 4 GB, but never specifies whether this limit is for private or public node. 14:14:42 I just want to have a constantly running, and thus, always synchronized node 14:18:02 @lch361:lch361.net: I ran one with 2gb (not recommended), it's possible but not a fun time 14:19:34 at some point, you'll probably run into problems with the amount of RAM RandomX allocates 14:21:18 True ✅️ 14:21:24 Is nothing else running on the system? 14:21:43 Then 4gb should be fine if blocks remain small 14:21:43 i don't know if monero runs RandomX light mode 14:21:48 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: ofrn dm me 14:21:54 cuz the full RandomX mode uses 2 GB of RAM 14:21:59 Bro 14:22:03 1 sec 14:23:50 Cindy_: yeah, I made a few helpers for that reason to scan outputs on my wallet stuff, it handles that + tx keys + tx proof scanning 14:24:13 i dunno who's this Pedersen guy 14:24:19 but he sounds cool 14:24:20 the complexity is that it gives two different scan types, one for pre-carrot states and one for post-carrot 14:59:38 Hello 14:59:40 Please help me 14:59:41 I’m completely confused 14:59:58 @milas900:matrix.org: About? 15:00:24 I did a transfer on cakewallet 15:00:34 To exchange ltc to Xmr 15:00:52 The balance totally disappears and in history it says I just transferred ltc 15:01:04 But I didn’t transfer ltc I exchanged to xmr 15:01:48 I did it one hour ago 15:02:07 @milas900:matrix.org: No, you DID transfer LTC, that's how an exchange works. You send your LTC to the exchange wallet, they do their thing, then send XMR back in exchange. It can take from a few minutes to hours to happen. 15:02:53 You can check in the transactions list and should be able to see a link to the exchanges website and see the status of the transaction. 15:02:58 So technically I need to wait until I receive ? 15:03:13 @milas900:matrix.org: You got it. Or a refund happens 15:03:15 There is 12 confirmations 15:03:41 @milas900:matrix.org: That has to work both LTC -> Exchange -> XMR 15:04:00 Ok so it doesn’t say anything pending in my xmr wallet 15:04:08 And it’s 50 mins ago the transaction is done 15:05:11 Have you checked the status of the swap transaction? I'm not talking about the blockchain confirmations, I'm talking about the status of the swap on the exchange website. 15:05:28 It says sending it doesn’t say swap 15:05:42 Because I did multiple times 15:05:53 In the previous time there was swap thing but it’s expired 15:06:05 When I tried again it’s just sending transaction no swap transaction 15:06:24 I did like three times swap and there was error each time 15:06:38 And then I did again and transaction happened but no swap in history just sending 15:06:45 I choose to send from cake wallet tho 15:06:53 You could send a screenshot of what you're seeing - just delete everything sensitive / PII 15:07:13 Ok guys 15:07:17 I contacted support 15:07:33 They figure it out 15:07:45 And the balance now of swap moved to exchanging 15:07:56 @milas900:matrix.org: Cake Wallet support is very good 15:07:58 Yes they are awesome 15:08:10 I can’t understand are they considered dex or cex? 15:08:16 Or cex without kyc !? 15:09:19 @milas900:matrix.org: Neither. All they do is make an API call and the app does the wallet work. 15:09:43 @kaigoh:gohegan.uk: But centralized no !? 15:09:50 Like you can sanction it if u want 15:10:33 If xmr is delisted how they get to find exchange which lists xmr 15:10:36 What’s their business model 15:10:41 the wallet is just a software, they use an external provider to swap 15:10:58 It uses a panel of DEXs, how they decide which one I'm not sure (probably a balance of their commission and the exchange rate you get?) 15:11:22 @kaigoh:gohegan.uk: No they swap with centralized exchange I guess 15:11:29 No ? 15:11:36 Yes. Centralized 15:12:29 Some swappers have their own liquidity, some fwd the coins to mexc, kucoin, and kraken 15:19:04 @kaigoh:gohegan.uk: I think cake just picks whatever has the best rate at the time(you can enable and disable some.of the providers since some of em might randomly ask for KYC and such if they want at whatever point of the swap) 15:19:49 i feel bad for europeans 15:20:01 they won't have any swappers that accept XMR 15:20:04 unless it's DEX 15:21:10 Criminals 15:21:15 Cindy: I mean, I'm not European but I'm sure they can always use Trocador through Tor if they are trying to hide getting xmr, I've never had issues with them, I've only used that and sometimes retoswap 15:21:47 johnjenkinss: EU is planning to ban XMR by 2027 15:21:55 or at least, the deadline is 15:22:17 there won't be any legal entity that'll accept XMR in the EU 15:22:23 holding xmr in a wallet could be a grey area 15:22:42 they will not ban holding xmr in a wallet 15:22:46 but the rest will be banned :P 15:23:02 no, but they're pessuring services into not accepting XMR 15:23:11 true 15:23:33 kraken already delisted XMR for EU users 15:23:38 because of the pressure 15:23:42 16:21:47 johnjenkinss: EU is planning to ban XMR by 2027 15:23:42 private ownership and exchanging p2p IS allowed 15:24:02 where did you get that info from? p2p i mean... 15:24:03 holding is not a grey area, it's still allowed per se 15:24:05 DataHoarder: yes, but they're be pressuring companies and services into not accepting them 15:24:12 they'll be* 15:24:16 btcdwed: it only disallows non-private entities 15:24:19 DataHoarder i say grea area, cause i think they will ban that too :D 15:24:26 yeah but the US doesn't list XMR either, and I know of plenty of friends, including me, always buying > kraken already delisted XMR for EU users 15:24:38 16:24:05 DataHoarder: yes, but they're be pressuring companies and services into not accepting them 15:24:38 companies and services won't be able to accept them, that's the ban :) 15:24:44 yes 15:24:44 kraken US allows buying xmr i think 15:24:52 that's what i was referring to 15:24:58 also kraken US does allow XMR 15:24:59 i rekt my kraken acc riight before re-verifying 15:25:01 sad day 15:25:05 it's only the EU branch that doesn't 15:25:12 EU is stupid af 15:25:21 yeah kraken I believe lists it > kraken US allows buying xmr i think 15:25:42 they already wiped out their XMR liquidity for EU users 15:25:42 Never mind. > there won't be any legal entity that'll accept XMR in the EU 15:25:45 its still listed on cmc too 15:25:50 converting like all of them into BTC 15:25:59 LTC is the way 15:26:40 https://support.kraken.com/articles/support-for-monero-xmr-in-europe 15:27:08 lol nice 15:27:15 oh, later they delisted XMR for canadians 15:27:16 https://support.kraken.com/articles/notice-of-delisting-xmr-canada 15:27:26 would you rather auto-convert to ZEC? 15:27:26 :D 15:27:43 DataHoarder: So let's say for example, EU users couldn't get mullvad with XMR anymore? and also, how would they know the XMR transaction was done by a EU person if , by the nature of XMR and if used right, you can't even tell who did the transactions? just a thought, I'm no expert in this field 15:27:50 I buy xmr on Kraken, no problem at all 15:27:57 liberavento: what country are you in 15:28:00 they don't care about the private person 15:28:12 Mullvad is in EU, so they'd be prohibited from receiving *any* 15:28:16 not just from EU 15:28:21 ^ 15:28:46 DataHoarder: Hmmmm, wonder how'd they react to that, haven't seen any blogs posts on it 15:28:55 they already have alternate ways 15:28:55 Mullvad still accepts montero 15:28:59 A country with no restrictions 15:29:06 like have entity elsewhere resell via XMR, coupons 15:29:19 liberavento: if you're not in the EU or canada, then obviously there'd be no problem 15:29:28 So far... 15:30:08 DataHoarder: yeah but I mean if the ban is for 2027, of course it still works now 15:30:11 @johnjenkinss:unredacted.org: They can't, that's why the EU (and others) are leaning on it. 15:30:16 since it isnt put into law yet 15:30:18 using cake 🎂 wallet, Cupcake opto 15:30:26 yes, ofc it works now 15:30:28 *option 15:30:28 the deadline is 2027 15:30:46 before the law takes effect 15:30:54 it's a grace period before they take shit seriously 15:31:33 also in the same EU legislation, they also prohibited anonymous crowdfunding (or crowdfunding via anonymous cryptocurrencies like XMR) i think 15:31:59 it's a pity 15:32:17 To be fair, it's all of this that makes me want XMR more 15:32:21 EU won't exist much long past 2027 anyway 15:32:28 lulz 15:32:42 @kaigoh:gohegan.uk: So, just a theory, if someone wants to make a private purchase, they could use Trocador to exchange to XMR, move to a new wallet(idk I keep hearing about churning, not sure if it even matters), then swap back to BTC the amount you need for a purchase, making the new BTC wallet unknown to who owns it unless you use BTC for something that requires your identity 15:33:19 u mean a private purchase with bitcorn? 15:33:24 DataHoarder: resellers could be a good loophole 15:33:30 @johnjenkinss:unredacted.org: Yep. As long as you follow best practice. 15:33:38 it's already done for other entities and services 15:33:45 xmr XMR is becoming a scarce and valuable 15:34:08 gingeropolous: if you buy with BTC that has no identity, and the service you're getting also doesn't require your identity whatsoever, it is indeed a private transaction 15:34:18 i'm betting mullvad will let entities bulk-buy discounts 15:34:22 i mean gift cards* 15:34:24 to resell for XMR 15:34:47 Cindy: Big brain move if they do that lmao 15:34:58 @johnjenkinss:unredacted.org: Yes, BTC privacy is only really broken by on / off ramps. But you need to know what you're doing and the risks to stay private, it doesn't happen by accident. Whereas Monero, it's built in - as long as you don't do anything silly. 15:35:01 Cindy | there won't be any legal entity that'll accept XMR in the EU <- The bigger worry is if they KYC all crypto payments because otherwise Trocador+LTC is the way lol 15:35:04 bulk-buy giftcards at a discount 15:35:31 how would they know the XMR transaction was done by a EU person if <- I assumed it was not for EU users, but for EU companies. 15:35:41 on / off ramps and the entities you interact with and your output management 15:36:09 BlueyHealer: the law applies to companies applying XMR, yes 15:36:42 Yes, BTC privacy is only really broken by on / off ramps. <- Eh, not really. I think there may be cases when how the funds move also tells at least something. 15:36:55 you can own it. hell, you could send it between each other 15:36:59 Like, reminds me of how DNMs' wallets were investigated 15:37:06 but if you wanna establish a company and accept XMR, the EU will breath down your neck 15:37:25 wdym monero is pumping? lets start a dump it campaign "it gonna be banned and delisted and illegal to use the monero lol" 15:37:28 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/HZQpUeUGUemGAJqATQZTLGqF.png (image.png) 15:37:44 that's such a sad reality 15:37:56 BlueyHealer: oh yeah for sure, like if you send $400 ltc to swap for xmr, then you swap $400 xmr to BTC, there's enough right there to look at you I'm sure 15:38:16 yeah like that 15:38:34 @lol_dump_it:matrix.org: NAH PUMP ME BABY 15:38:37 okay pause 15:38:40 Cindy: Being honest with ourselves, XMR will never be mainstream. The authorities will never allow us to have privacy. The corrupt politicians and elite have their methods, the peasants can't have one of their own. 15:38:58 @yurimyname:matrix.org: Thanks for the answer! 15:38:58 Then I guess I'll host Monero node in the future, because currently can't afford more RAM on server. It's got exactly 4 GB, but has other services running 15:39:18 monero will be as mainstream as tor 15:39:22 I'm not sure I want it to be outright mainstream anyway - it has its niche, and it fits the niche like a glove. 15:39:22 or something along those lines 15:39:26 @kaigoh:gohegan.uk: Facts 15:39:38 Yeah, like Tor! 15:40:19 Cindy: I agree. But Doris next door has never heard of Tor. Thank god! But the people who have the brain capacity to exist slightly outside the mainstream do. Same goes for XMR. And I know who I want on side. 15:40:54 The only way xmr would become mainstream is if the powers that be could get backdoor access (?) or control most nodes 15:41:43 BlueyHealer: I agree. I don't even want it for any illicit purposes. I like the ideology behind it, and I like the store of wealth that I can carry anywhere absolutely privately. So when the elites screw things over, via wars or whatever, I don't need to sweat their FIAT crap becoming worthless. 15:41:52 @kaigoh:gohegan.uk: Man teach Doris some Tor, poor lady living in the past 😪 15:42:12 https://kyc.rip/ 15:42:30