00:20:04 <br-m> <anhdres:matrix.org> Monerujos doesn't support polyseed (yet) 🫢 > <@intr:unredacted.org> it's supported by feather and I believe monerujo, but not the official wallet yet afaik
01:00:40 <br-m> <321bob321> Soon
01:04:05 <br-m> <yokoama:matrix.org> @anhdres:matrix.org: (yet) so maybe supported after fcmp++ ?
01:46:41 <br-m> <anhdres:matrix.org> @yokoama:matrix.org: soon (tm)
13:39:59 <dis7ant> are there any implications to consider for an old wallet?  I'm redeploying my infrastructure and making a list of things to either improve or update...what's the consensus on "old coins" that haven't moved in a bunch of years?  Is it an issue?
13:40:42 <Cindy> is it pre-RingCT?
13:41:08 <dis7ant> it's like (checks memory) four years ago is all?
13:41:45 <Cindy> oh 2022/2021?
13:41:50 <Cindy> not much of a problem really
13:42:29 <dis7ant> yeah that sounds about right, checking on the timeline now as I've had my node shut down for a while during a bunch of basically constant relocation.  Got a lot of catching up to do
13:43:35 <br-m> <funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> hi
13:43:46 <br-m> <funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> when does the fcmp update come
13:45:29 <Cindy> dunno
13:45:33 <Cindy> i wonder so too
13:45:58 <dis7ant> some old projects have completely changed their infrastructure and migrated to different coins altogether it looks like, so I'm sorta mapping things out on my to-do list.  Last time I was really here was when Monerotopia was in Miami, and we were talking about Seraphis timeline...looking back now it seems there has been a lot of discussion about an alternative path forward.
13:47:32 <br-m> <funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> what coins?
13:54:54 <dis7ant> Oxen for example, is focusing on their Session product now and my old node's PoS lockup needs to be converted to EVM tokens.  Stuff like that.
13:55:08 <dis7ant> was loki, then oxen, now sesh
13:55:52 <dis7ant> I was always more interested in lokinet and session than the coin anyway, so I will probably get that back together.
13:56:06 <br-m> <funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> are you a dev
13:58:44 <dis7ant> not in this space, unrelated industry
13:59:14 <br-m> <rucknium> @funnyjewishgal:matrix.org: @funnyjewishgal:matrix.org: Highly likely this calendar year. If it is not deployed this year, it is more likely that it will never be deployed, which could happen if some fatal problem has been found. But researchers have been checking all parts of the protocol for more than a year now and found no major problems.
14:00:03 <Cindy> i just wrote my address generation code
14:00:10 <Cindy> do i have to rewrite it again for carrot ;_;
14:01:17 <br-m> <rucknium> Don't roll your own cryptography. There's your answer.
14:01:39 <br-m> <rucknium> Unless you are doing it just for fun instead of mainnet use.
14:01:44 <Cindy> you say that, but i literally have no other choice
14:01:56 <Cindy> nobody has actually written an address generation library for my language
14:02:06 <br-m> <funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> @rucknium: this is good. 
14:02:36 <br-m> <rucknium> Cindy: You cannot link anything?
14:03:05 <Cindy> i use rust :P
14:03:30 <br-m> <funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> will ai AGI break all monero transactions from the past?
14:03:34 <br-m> <rucknium> @funnyjewishgal:matrix.org: You didn't request them, but here are those papers: https://moneroresearch.info/index.php?action=list_LISTSOMERESOURCES_CORE&method=keywordProcess&id=125
14:03:48 <br-m> <funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> thanks
14:03:48 <Cindy> no, AI will not break transactions
14:04:29 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Why not
14:04:31 <br-m> <rucknium> @funnyjewishgal:matrix.org: No. A quantum computer could reduce privacy of many transactions. It could also counterfeit coins. Research on defending against quantum computers is ongoing.
14:05:13 <br-m> <rucknium> Cindy: Doesn't Carrot also have a Rust library? Let me check.
14:05:42 <Cindy> if it does, you'd be a fucking life saver
14:05:57 <Cindy> nobody has actually written the cryptonote wallet generation thing as a rust library
14:06:26 <br-m> <funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> what are some things i can do to support monero?
14:07:17 <br-m> <maxlpm:tchncs.de> @funnyjewishgal:matrix.org: https://www.getmonero.org/get-started/contributing/
14:07:28 <br-m> <rucknium> Here is an attempt at using AI against Monero ring signatures. Wasn't very effective: https://github.com/ACK-J/Monero-Dataset-Pipeline/blob/main/Lord_of_the_Rings__An_Empirical_Analysis_of_Monero_s_Ring_Signature_Resilience_to_Artificially_Intelligent_Attacks.pdf
14:08:06 <br-m> <rucknium> @funnyjewishgal:matrix.org: https://monero.observer/ultimate-guide-new-monero-contributors/
14:08:50 <br-m> <boog900> what do you need? seeds? or litterally just addresses as monero-oxide does provide addresses  > <Cindy> nobody has actually written an address generation library for my language
14:09:07 <Cindy> wallet generation
14:09:14 <Cindy> not address generation
14:09:24 <Cindy> i have used monero-oxide addresses for my code though
14:09:40 <br-m> <rucknium> Cindy: "Libraries for the CARROT addressing protocol in pure Rust" https://github.com/jeffro256/carrot-rs
14:09:42 <br-m> <funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> wtf i thought local monero was gone
14:09:47 <br-m> <funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> its back? new owners?
14:09:49 <br-m> <boog900> Cindy: ah thats a lot more than seeds and addresses.
14:10:05 <Cindy> yeah, i was planning to make a crate that would help solve this problem
14:10:11 <Cindy> after i was done with this program
14:10:22 <br-m> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> monero-oxide has addresses and monero-wallet-util has seeds. What's missing?
14:10:23 <Cindy> like a high-level abstraction over monero-oxide and monero-wallet stuff
14:10:31 <Cindy> kayabanerve: wallet generation
14:10:38 <br-m> <rucknium> @funnyjewishgal:matrix.org: Local Monero is gone. People are using RetoSwap now, the only network that uses the Haveno software.
14:10:52 <Cindy> aka. derive a view pair and spend pair from a seed
14:10:54 <Cindy> or something
14:11:11 <br-m> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> That isn't helpful for me as I'd consider that a composition of seed and address functionality.
14:11:19 <br-m> <funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> https://localmonero.me
14:11:20 <br-m> <funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> what is this
14:11:21 <br-m> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> Yeah, monero-wallet-util has a seed lib
14:11:31 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @funnyjewishgal:matrix.org: Openmonero, a copycat
14:11:33 <Cindy> yeah but the seed lib just decodes a seed to bytes
14:11:43 <br-m> <funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> scam?
14:11:45 <Cindy> and the address generation just takes public keys
14:11:54 <Cindy> you need code in-between to generate the wallet, which is what i had to do
14:12:09 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @funnyjewishgal:matrix.org: They lost user funds already. You be the judge
14:12:30 <br-m> <funnyjewishgal:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: that sounds like a 2nd holocaust 
14:12:47 <Cindy> monero-oxide did save me from having to decode seeds and also do address generation myself soo, thanks monero-oxide devs
14:13:00 <Cindy> :D
14:15:33 <br-m> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> Oh. So the hash for the view key and scalar multiplications by the generator? That's the glue being discussed here?
14:15:42 <br-m> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> Got it
14:16:07 <Cindy> yes
14:18:51 <Cindy> kayabanerve: i wonder if i could make a PR for it in monero-wallet-util?
14:22:46 <br-m> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> That'd be pleasant :)
15:28:45 <DataHoarder> Cindy: address generation?
15:28:50 <DataHoarder> you mean... base58?
15:29:10 <DataHoarder> from the given spend/view pubs + byte
15:29:19 <DataHoarder> or account/offset indices -> subaddress pubs
15:31:00 <Cindy> i..... don't actually mean that
15:44:52 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> Ohhhh
16:15:56 <br-m> <weiningerenjoyer99:matrix.org> Wassup my niggas
16:16:00 <br-m> <weiningerenjoyer99:matrix.org> How yall doing?
16:28:11 <BlueyHealer> moderator?
16:40:02 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> yep
17:04:23 <Guest23> hello everyone, is somebody here who can helped me to recover by funds freezed by KuCoin its Monero, i've all the required proofs but i just need a advisor / lawyer or experience member who can help me to fight this case and give me justice, i can pay the fees Thankyou.
17:07:58 <Cindy> doesn't r/Monero warn against using kucoin?
17:08:09 <Cindy> like really, really warn against it
17:09:14 <Cindy> p3rL: https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1gzktuz/stay_away_from_kucoin/
17:09:24 <Cindy> looks like this isn't their first time, and you won't be the last
17:10:34 <p3rL> i didn't knew they will do this with their old users who constantly use of their services.
17:10:37 <br-m> <elongated:matrix.org> Guest23: Post everything thing on X and force them to come clean
17:11:06 <Cindy> looks like they're used to doing this kind of shit
17:12:07 <p3rL> well i have to fill the CDD form first that they given via EMAIL after that i've to raise voice on r/Kucoin r/Monero & Twitter
17:13:01 <p3rL> i need a advisor to fill the form with perfection so there will be no further forms will come to fill.
17:13:52 <p3rL> is there any monero advisors or any other services where i can get proper help related issue. i just don't want to fill the form myself.
17:14:19 <BlueyHealer> *Twitter
17:15:43 <Cindy> p3rL: honestly best of luck getting your funds back
17:16:01 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> what is a CDD form?
17:16:05 <p3rL> i've seen on reddit some got refunded if they provide proper details
17:16:12 <Cindy> it'll really be up to them whether they'll give a shit or not. next time, you shouldn't keep your funds in a wallet you don't actually own
17:16:15 <p3rL> CDD form = Customer Due Delligence something
17:16:28 <Cindy> i've seen many many people make the same mistake
17:16:31 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> ahh ok
17:17:02 <p3rL> Cindy i was not holding my funds there i transfer XMR to KU and sell it for USDT pair and when i withdraw usdt they freezed withdraw
17:17:48 <Cindy> then you probably triggered some anti-money laundering detection bullshit
17:17:51 <p3rL> before it i've done couple of times but never got freezed they put in me AML/CFT act.
17:17:55 <p3rL> yeah
17:18:13 <p3rL> but i was selling my long term holding in bull market and getting usdt to my ledger thats it .
17:18:22 <p3rL> wheres the money laundery in it ?
17:19:15 <p3rL> also i've all the proofs of those XMR that i was selling its my mining earnings
17:19:28 <p3rL> i can get a statement from Pool.
17:19:34 <Cindy> transferring anonymous coins and then swapping for some other widely-used transparent coins :P
17:19:48 <Cindy> that's the thing they detected
17:20:23 <Cindy> if you look at that from their perspective, you'll get why it sounds super sus
17:20:53 <Cindy> because scammers also do that kind of thing, they use centralized exchanges to transfer in coins and then swap to some other widely-known currency
17:20:57 <p3rL> yeah but each xmr is earned from mining and i can proof it with proper statements by pool admin
17:21:26 <p3rL> i sold xmr on top and get usdt to buy back in dips i dont get it whers the problem in it ?
17:21:53 <p3rL> same address i used to withdraw never get problem before but when i sold the top they got a pain in the ass.
17:22:10 <Cindy> i hope that you didn't actually transfer all the XMR you had
17:22:30 <p3rL> couple of batch was withdraw
17:23:45 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> its in the t&c's this AML stuff. no need for theatrics or pickachu face. last time i checked, they have rolling limits (x tranferred in a 1 month) and single transaction limits 5-20k.. but im not sure on kucoin specifics
17:24:44 <p3rL> well i was mining from years like 10 years and holding it for bull its obvious when u are selling 10 years earning in a day it will be 20k+ or so
17:24:51 <BlueyHealer> 5k is already a huge sum of money lol
17:25:28 <p3rL> the point is all the xmrs are earned from mining and has proper proofs.
17:25:59 <p3rL> binaryFate luigi1111 fluffypony any of you would like to pay attention to this case ?
17:27:17 <Cindy> none of them can do anything for you
17:27:26 <Cindy> they don't have special connections to kucoin
17:27:52 <p3rL> its not about connections it about what to provide and what not to whats my rights to provide them and whats not their rights to ask them
17:28:00 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> fill the CDD form in - if there are gaps, you'll hear about it and be able to fill them
17:28:02 <Cindy> they are just developers
17:28:16 <Cindy> the stuff you're asking is subjective and not related to monero
17:28:21 <Cindy> it's related to the exchange you're using
17:28:39 <p3rL> aight so i don't need to waste time here.
17:29:37 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> start a twitter poll to roll the block chain back, or fill the CDD form in yourself (without exposing yourself to scammers) and wait for the response before going nuclear 
17:29:41 <Cindy> we don't have much to help you with, you're at the whims of kucoin
17:30:33 <Cindy> plowsof: lol, roll the blockchain back
17:30:33 <Cindy> there are better chances of qubic getting a 90% than that
17:32:25 <Cindy> p3rL: i wish you the best of luck, next time don't be so reckless with your money
17:40:24 <p3rL> i just dont wanna fill the form myself i need advisor i dont wanna give them all the details they want unless its necessary by law
17:40:41 <p3rL> if they are asking much more then their actual rights i am not going to fullfil
17:41:38 <DataHoarder> then you'd have to consult a local advisor
17:44:53 <p3rL> yeah where can i find one ?
17:48:10 <DataHoarder> I have no idea, as it depends on your local environment
17:58:29 <Cindy> who is using stagenet a lot
17:58:40 <Cindy> i cannot believe that it's getting blocks after blocks
18:35:16 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> Cindy: ?
18:37:26 <Cindy> nvm, the network is slow now
18:37:51 <Cindy> also btw, is there a way to bypass the 10-block requirement until your change fund get unlocked
18:37:59 <Cindy> or is that not allowed by consenus
18:38:20 <Cindy> idk why i was thinking stagenet would be different
18:39:01 <DataHoarder> it is consensus
18:39:18 <DataHoarder> you can't spend outputs mined within that
18:39:32 <Cindy> this makes it much tougher to test my program i guess
18:39:42 <Cindy> since i have to wait until it's okay for consensus
18:39:43 <DataHoarder> make your own test/stagenet
18:39:55 <DataHoarder> private
18:39:57 <DataHoarder> you have a method to literally mine a block
18:40:01 <DataHoarder> like, pop it goes
18:40:12 <DataHoarder> so you can advance as fast as needed
18:40:15 <Cindy> well that's good advice
18:40:30 <Cindy> besides, in private chain, i can get unlimited XMR
18:40:36 <Cindy> rather than relying on a taiwanese faucet
18:40:55 <DataHoarder> good advice for the person hitting their head onto concrete "don't hit your head onto concrete"
18:41:27 <Cindy> also i can make my own consensus! :D
18:43:05 <Cindy> DataHoarder: i mean c'mon, i thought there was like a sandbox network where the consensus was significantly relaxed
18:43:17 <Cindy> (sure there'd be a lot of counterfeit coins, but that's the fun of it)
18:43:18 <DataHoarder> I don't recommend changing the consensus
18:43:27 <DataHoarder> even in the private one
18:43:36 <DataHoarder> you will find a lot of stuff has it duplicated
18:43:57 <DataHoarder> just pop blocks as quick as needed and call it a day
18:44:07 <DataHoarder> or well, not pop as in stack
18:44:11 <DataHoarder> but produce it
18:45:26 <Cindy> actually how many people are mining in the stagenet
18:45:39 <Cindy> i wonder if i could just solomine in my crappy computer
18:45:45 <Cindy> without hosting a private chain
18:46:59 <DataHoarder> you can
18:47:03 <br-m> <rbrunner7> If you only need a few coins to play with? Almost certainly, difficulty is pretty low usually
18:47:05 <DataHoarder> check block difficulty
18:47:25 <DataHoarder> not just rbrunner7 they also want to afaik unlock coins fast when needed
18:47:31 <DataHoarder> without waiting for 10 block lock
18:47:37 <Cindy> ^
18:47:41 <Cindy> which is why i'm mining
18:47:48 <Cindy> if i just wanted coins, i'd go to the taiwanese faucet
18:56:57 <br-m> <maxlpm:tchncs.de> What does "taiwanese faucet" mean?
18:58:59 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Xmr-tw probably
19:17:26 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> Sorry i have been away from the moneroland , when does the fcmp++ update gets merged ?
19:17:46 <DataHoarder> 18:54:46 <DataHoarder> loosely updated list https://github.com/seraphis-migration/monero/issues/53
19:18:00 <DataHoarder> beta stressnet is pending
19:18:10 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> Or there is still testing going on at stagenet
19:18:18 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> DataHoarder: Ohh ok
19:18:28 <DataHoarder> there is alpha stressnet atm
19:18:38 <DataHoarder> stagenet is after testnet even :P
19:18:44 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> Ic
19:18:46 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> Eta ?
19:18:48 <Cindy> maxlpm: xmr-tw, yes
19:18:53 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> Oooo
19:18:55 <Cindy> they have a stagenet faucet
19:19:04 <DataHoarder> (private stressnet) -> (alpha stressnet) -> (beta stressnet) -> testnet -> mainnet
19:19:25 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> DataHoarder: And where is stressnet ? Or its same as testnet
19:19:29 <DataHoarder> we are somewhat in between alpha/beta, alpha has been for longer than expected not to FCMP++ issues, but older monero ones
19:19:46 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> DataHoarder: Cool thanks
19:20:00 <DataHoarder> see https://github.com/seraphis-migration/monero/releases
19:20:02 <DataHoarder> it's a fork of testnet
19:20:04 <DataHoarder> off*
19:20:10 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> K
19:20:40 <DataHoarder> there is ##monero-stressnet on irc and equivalent on matrix
19:21:28 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> Yeah i was on it at some point
19:22:22 <Cindy> what do people stress in stressneet
19:22:24 <Cindy> stressnet*
19:22:27 <Cindy> do they spam reorgs?
19:22:37 <Cindy> or do whatever they can to break the network?
19:24:08 <DataHoarder> spam txs, spam reorgs
19:24:14 <DataHoarder> try to keep hashrate low...
19:24:31 <DataHoarder> and see what stuff breaks down
21:24:19 <thankful_for_nev> hmmm
21:51:46 <br-m> <lza_menace> 61 minutes in
21:51:53 <br-m> <lza_menace> https://youtu.be/yEb2DX0TzKM?si=DEamgrUEZM9WQSWX
22:02:40 <br-m> <lza_menace> He doesn’t say monero. But he describes it to the letter.