00:06:58 geonic: really? 00:07:36 yep 00:09:11 sech1: monero_wallet: uri is not for making txs, but restoration 00:13:47 that scheme probably needs a revamp for new carrot as well 00:14:15 geonic: do you have a source 00:19:17 kiersten5821: https://archive.ph/20260213070848/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-02-13/darknet-demand-for-monero-xmr-rises-stumping-crime-fighters 00:19:56 "[...] said Justin Ehrenhofer, who in 2023 set up a firm to investigate Monero transactions that was subsequently bought by his current employer, NAXO." 00:21:16 funnily, monero: url scheme works in href links 00:21:18 but not monero_wallet 00:21:55 monero-wallet would 00:23:05 I added `monero_wallet:` to entries under https://blocks.p2pool.observer/proofs 00:23:07 making them monero-wallet works, otherwise it assumes it's a relative link! 00:25:57 `scheme = ALPHA *( ALPHA / DIGIT / "+" / "-" / "." )` 00:25:59 *scheme = ALPHA *( ALPHA / DIGIT / "+" / "-" / "." ) 00:26:33 basically according to RFC 3986 monero_wallet is not a valid scheme. _ is not in the allowed list (it can be included after) 00:26:35 see https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3986#section-3.1 00:27:44 as it is is unusable in applications (like browsers) that follow RFC 3986 00:28:05 thanks DataHoarder this is the exact esoteric uri knowledge i've been waiting for 00:30:42 geonic: thanks, that's really important to know idk why anyone would use a wallet from a surveillance firm 00:31:53 you're welcome. no one would, if they knew who the guy behind it is. hopefully sgp discloses this information in future marketing messages 00:32:51 I mean, to be fair, the software is open source and forces you to run your own backend 00:33:15 would be pretty obvious if it was phoning home also I guess 00:40:38 it'd maybe work on QR codes, but it should use RFC 3986 there too (os might not allow to register handlers for not valid schemes) 00:42:56 I can't even find where monero_wallet url scheme would get defined to get handled by OS 00:44:50 sure, but it would be less obvious if it was harming network anonymity in other ways. would you use an open-source monero wallet made by chainalysis? 00:44:58 the monero-gui has not implemented importing via monero_wallet links yet so this is uncharted territory? 00:56:28 if it sucked less mebbe :P 00:57:11 but it would still be useful to know it's by chainalysis right :) 00:58:01 cake wallet could be funded by CIA 00:58:08 why would you expect to know? 00:58:17 tbh maybe it's better if it's known at all right? 00:58:49 wait are you justifying a confirmed fact with a hypothetical 00:59:06 monero itself could be a NSA honeypot 00:59:47 chances are low, but never zero 01:00:34 right. so let's ignore facts because life is fleeting and at the end of the day nothing matters ... 01:03:32 Linkin Park - In The End 🎵 01:04:54 Cat brings meaning to life, the tao of Cat 01:05:19 btw Cat's wallet of choice is the CLI 01:10:21 mnemonic can be encoded as raw bytes yes 01:10:23 and that is vastly smaller 01:10:27 even after doing base64 on it 01:11:01 hex is bigger than base64, yet still smaller than the mnemonic string 01:11:05 plowsof: mnemonic AS hex 01:11:40 the mnemonic denotes a byte string value 01:11:42 with a checksum as well 01:11:44 I just don't really get what you're complaining about, it's not like he hides his identity or where he has worked, and if there was something nefarious about then...wouldn't he just publish under a nym? 01:12:06 also am a cli wallet enjoyoor 01:12:13 but I did test skylight beta 01:12:49 not always Cindy_ 01:13:23 there is "secret key" too :P 01:13:25 sometimes there's a step from mnemonic raw bytes -> seed key 01:14:01 then another step from seed to spend 01:15:10 Cindy_: seed is not spend key always 01:16:21 if you look at base mnemonic yes Cindy_, but other stuff like polyseed or whatnot is different 01:16:23 also carrot :P 01:16:59 example -> border gutter unlikely coexist tsunami muddy portents pioneer arrow inflamed upper altitude loudly afraid luggage ounce against mowing spout egotistic trolling aggravate pivot pumpkins altitude encodes to fedd3d8a5918d4ac0307d9679fae0321209a347d2055a486d3c239a21f72ee05 under cryptonote 01:17:33 fedd3d8a5918d4ac0307d9679fae0321209a347d2055a486d3c239a21f72ee05 is also the spend key 01:17:35 so Cindy_ is asking that instead of passing border gutter unlikely coexist tsunami muddy portents pioneer arrow inflamed upper altitude loudly afraid luggage ounce against mowing spout egotistic trolling aggravate pivot pumpkins altitude on URL you pass fedd3d8a5918d4ac0307d9679fae0321209a347d2055a486d3c239a21f72ee05 01:18:12 you can go backwards in that step 01:18:14 (it's 1:1 encoding) 01:18:48 in case of mnemonic 01:19:24 polyseed differs a bit, but you could also just encode raw bytes 01:20:01 in total it's 150 bits for secret + 15 bits of feature/birthday 01:20:37 the 11 bits of checksum are not needed in hex encoding 01:21:12 from this the secret seed is derived, which is what starts the wallet construction process Cindy_ 01:21:14 see https://github.com/tevador/polyseed 01:22:23 in case there's just mnemonic and standard legacy wallet, you could just send spend key 01:22:59 in some original wallets spend/view key were determined at random separately Cindy_. so you need to send both 01:23:35 then the derivation of the mnemonic/secret is different depending on wallet implementation ( 👀 MyMonero) 01:43:42 Maybe a stupid question, but does the smaller size matter from a practical point of view? 01:47:00 jw_: my only complaint is about the lack of disclosure. like for example when you respond here without noting that you’re a board member of the entity that develops the wallet in question. someone could confuse you for a disinterested observer 01:48:11 if he’s not ashamed of working for blockchain surveillance, disclose it. it’s simple. Perhaps an agenda item for your next board meeting 01:49:21 also did justin pm you instead of responding to me directly? lol 01:53:59 geonic: is this entire chat surveillance firm employees 01:54:04 Huh? Are u ok? > cake wallet could be funded by CIA 01:55:04 kiersten5821: apparently 01:57:05 how did you find out jw was on the board? 02:00:54 it’s on their website, but you would need to know his name since his handle isn’t listed there 02:00:58 https://magicgrants.org/about/ 02:20:14 “We help law enforcement agencies … This includes in-depth analysis of blockchain transactions and infrastructure, advanced tracing of Monero and other privacy coins …” 02:20:17 https://www.naxo.com/for-law-enforcement 02:20:23 share sauce plz 02:21:44 pls download our wallet