02:48:58 That's a reasonable take > tusko: https://pastebin.com/vhSFihyg 02:51:30 Has sgp ever chimed in on why he works on both sides? 03:21:01 <321bob321> Hedging bets 06:14:53 my take is that he's a bootlicker at heart. I'm not even sure what he likes about monero. he's been trying to subdue it as long as he's been around. 07:05:06 What are you talking about again? 07:33:44 <321bob321> Pentesting 07:37:34 And what person/statement? 07:37:58 <321bob321> Whinging about sgp 13:08:10 No > <@snjya:matrix.org> My seeds are 24 words, is there a converter to the 16 words that skylight is using? 13:08:52 Skylight supports 25 word seeds as well as 16 13:29:57 bcoz he gets paid ? > <@omurad:matrix.org> Has sgp ever chimed in on why he works on both sides? 15:12:25 @ofrnxmr: Cake Wallet has a seed converter tool last I checked that can at least extract a 25 word seed from a 16 word 15:13:46 can't remember if it does the opposite at the moment but Cake Wallet might be helpful 15:25:47 @jbabb:cypherstack.com: Yes 15:25:55 Its a one way operation 15:25:57 You cant get a 16 from a 25 15:40:09 yokoama: he got paid at Cake too and he wasn’t spying on people. he literally quit that job to follow his calling and found a surveillance firm 15:40:45 bootlicker bonfirmed 16:05:11 @ofrnxmr: had to check if that's can't currently or can't ever. 25-word seeds have 256 bits and polyseeds have 128 so you really can't go from 16 to 25 16:06:06 we need one final standard to rule them all: 28 words. give me my birthday everywhere and some extra version bits holes on the belt for expansion 16:06:59 @jbabb:cypherstack.com: From 25 to 16** 16:07:14 You can go from 16 -> 25 16:07:25 err, right. 16->25 but not 25->16 16:08:07 I think its also an issue with the way polyseeds are constructed 16:08:19 was just referring to https://github.com/tevador/polyseed 16:08:34 They arent simply a representation of the private keys, they have a bunch of other data in them that cant be reproduced 16:11:51 tusko: That’s too open to vagueness and interpretation 16:11:51 Ultimately, it’s about money. Once distilled down to this single concept, it makes sense where he stands, why he does what he does, and where he’s going in the future. 16:13:34 how many extra words on 25 would be enough for a birthday and some extra version bits for future upgrades? hmm... 16:13:35 If people like him could stop to eat and live under a bridge, we wouldn't have these problems. 16:13:49 and should we store an epoch time birthday or a straight block height birthday? 16:14:17 I didn't keep up with that conversation as to why polyseed chose seconds vs blocks for the birthday param 16:16:36 @ofrnxmr:monero.social: Any other data in a Polyseed isn't the main problem. Fact is that there roughly are 2^128 private keys that the legacy seeds can produce, but are mathematically impossible to produce using a Polyseed. 16:18:09 Well, maybe it's not so dire: "150 bits for the secret seed" So we only have around 2^106 private keys out of reach of Polyseed :) 16:18:50 I really love the usability of polyseeds, I just wish we had a birthday tacked onto the end of the classic 25-word keys 16:19:13 Well, only 16 words are certainly nice 16:19:53 I don't even care so much about their length so much as not having to store the restore blockheight separately 16:20:44 I'd gladly add a few words to keep my restore height and some extra params packaged together nicely 16:20:54 @rbrunner7: Not the main problem, but also not the only problem afaik (like version, birthday, etc) 16:21:03 Encrypted bit 16:21:23 @jbabb:cypherstack.com: Right? Its not like im remembering the seed 16:23:06 ive never written a seed on paper. i dont even own a pen or paper .. 16:23:34 i just let google photos take care of my seed screenshots 16:23:53 If i did, it would would be the only oiece of paper in my house, and woukd have a seed on it 16:31:58 https://xmrchain.com/ is down for me 16:39:08 Same 16:41:07 gingeropolous: ^ 18:49:22 people used to memorize books and you people think memorizing 25 words is a difficult feat 19:04:16 true but most of us were born in the past century 19:09:22 nioc: that's what i'm saying, gimme 28 words, coach 19:09:27 I'm ready 19:09:44 \o/ 19:09:46 the security of the future will require 150 word seeds and 4mb addresses 19:10:39 150 words is 6 current seeds 19:10:46 seems doable 19:11:40 only a fed would resist scaling our seed and address sizes 19:12:45 20 hop dandelion++++++++++++++++++++ coming soon 19:16:04 From acx (Monfluo dev) on SimpleX: 19:16:04 Hey folks, I have two announcements. 19:16:04 The first is about the Android OS lockdown.[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/5LSb0OoKLXg3YjNr ] 19:35:02 "As far as I am aware, Monfluo will probably be the first wallet using monero-oxide" 19:35:02 https://smirk.cash/; https://github.com/Such-Software/smirk-extension?tab=readme-ov-file#monerowownero 19:36:27 <321bob321> There is an open letter projects are signing 19:36:37 <321bob321> Saw it on techlore 21:18:44 What's the best setup for TLS-enabled monerod service that's accessible from both clearnet and Tor? 21:19:05 Let's encrypt doesn't support .onion certs and ideally I'd like to avoid setting up a reverse proxy 21:20:27 tor is already encrypted, no need for let's encrypt tls cert 21:21:00 you want your clearnet to be on https:// ? 21:21:31 Yes 21:21:41 @ufo808:matrix.org: Won't be encrypted past exit node 21:23:04 Nvm no exit node since it's a hidden service 21:23:48 then setup TLS for the RPC in monero done 21:24:11 and do a hidden service on the port monero is listening on 21:24:32 it doesn't need to be different ports as monero supports the same port for http and https traffic 21:25:02 so tor users will use http traffic and clearnet users will use https traffic if they decide to use https of course 21:26:08 @fijxu:nadeko.net: Does it? http:// returns The connection was reset 21:26:28 It seems it's one or the other, not both 21:26:55 @omurad:matrix.org: missconfiguration then 21:27:25 what is the benefit of running monerod with TLS? 21:28:17 @fijxu:nadeko.net: https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/p/zMP_0-oKSEpWbV9x/1.txt (code snippet, 8 lines) 21:28:17 that is my rpc config 21:28:59 @ufo808:matrix.org: MITM 21:29:43 @fijxu:nadeko.net: this ^ 21:30:42 Thanks. enabled -> autodetect fixed it 21:31:13 cool, enjoy 21:31:28 though, i'd usually recommend 21:31:28 Instead of: 21:31:28 [... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/i9mK1OoKVU5vb2h2 ] 21:31:41 @omurad:matrix.org: Autodetect is default fwiw 21:32:49 enabled = disallow plain text 23:52:04 Revuo Monero Issue 252: November 25 - December 17, 2025. https://www.revuo-xmr.com/weekly/issue-252/ 23:59:02 Revuo Monero Issue 253: December 17, 2025 - February 27, 2026. https://www.revuo-xmr.com/weekly/issue-253/