00:13:13 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: > Last month, the Proxy Store announced that they would stop selling Proton vouchers, because Proton had not responded to any of their requests after 5 months of attempts This was not the first time this happened. The news was also reported here on PG. When I inquired the Proxy Store about it, they said th [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/172gkvoKQ2Jlbk4y ] 00:13:13 https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/proton-doesnt-really-support-anonymous-payments-lets-demand-that-they-do/37094 00:53:45 @basses:matrix.org: wow, lots of info in here 00:56:13 @berry.stiller-2w:matrix.org: they don't even advertise this on their website for payment options. 00:56:57 Tuta does something similar...i think they use the same site...but they actually advertise monero all the time on social media. so it is a workaround but it's actively stocked and it works well enough 00:58:19 ideally it would be set up so when you are selecting your payment options you would see, for example, credit card | monero | | bitcoin and you would select one and just pay directly. there's no reason they can't implement something like this if they actually wanted to do this. 02:59:47 @lordx3nu:matrix.org: Tuta advertises on their site 03:01:20 https://tuta.com/support/payment#cryptocurrency 03:08:19 yeah exactly. proton doesn't even mention monero. they never once tweeted or posted on social media about the reseller. their completion of it was marking a support ticket as completed lol 05:04:52 Privacy service <- one that doesn't even like you using a local client with your own encryption, yeah 06:53:14 The haveno-fork with the lowest fees and minimums, the fastest support and the most unbiased arbitration! 06:53:14 As darkfi does not yet have real life usage (and may never have after Amir Takii turned out to be a mossad asset via Epstein-files), the next best thing is monero (XMR), which you can buy/sell/trade on a DEX , P2P, nokyc, multisig escrow, very low fees, very low minimums: https://dawnswap.com 06:53:14 PS: a new version has been released (1.2.3) with even lower fees (maker 0% - taker 0.4%) 07:03:47 cc monerobull 😅 07:14:30 He forgot to put his spam in community, amateur 07:21:25 anyone heard of [my site]? / this looks awesome [my site]? 08:01:57

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Never heard of Trocador. I had a look after you mentioned. Good find > <@ravfx:xmr.mx> Well, it's some kind of proxy routing. 08:07:21 I love trackers in my links personally! 12:12:42 > <@lordx3nu:matrix.org> ideally it would be set up so when you are selecting your payment options you would see, for example, credit card | monero | | bitcoin and you would select one and just pay directly. there's no reason they can't implement something like this if they actually wanted to do this. 12:12:42 Could this be related to legal bullshit ? I remember KDE can't accept crypto donations or something in Germany because of some bullshit paw about nonprofits and crypto assets.. 12:13:22 Tuta does feel like they'd want to accept Monero for example, but their hands may be tied, hence the workaround. 12:22:46 Now that I think about it more, I fully support this concept of pointing fingers at these supposed "privacy a friendly" service that pretend to be as such yet don't accept the actual privacy currency. 12:22:46 I think we should continue to drive home the idea that Monero is an extension of cypherpunk and pro-privacy projects, it should become in everyone's mental image when they think of privacy tools, they'd picture Monero right next to the Tor network, Linux, PGP, Signal Protocol etc. 12:27:58 @pyratevevo:matrix.org: I mean, what if https://tuta.com/blog/tutanota-not-a-honeypot 🧌 12:28:48 funny that ppl cant trust anyone, anymore.... 12:29:16 even if you built a nice services, one post/sentence is enough to force your company to statements like that 12:32:53 It is practically impossible to live fully without SOME level of trust tho. You're unlikely to be able to audit every single piece of software you use. 12:34:02 @gan:skhron.org: I don't follow. 12:34:36 We don't actually take random people's words on what is and what is a honeypot without evidence, yes ? 12:54:06 @pyratevevo:matrix.org: Troll emote kinda implies the intend of the message 18:15:56 sup yall 22:14:13 The emoji is so small in the client I'm using. > <@gan:skhron.org> Troll emote kinda implies the intend of the message