04:46:29 i'm not quite sure signal belongs in this list > <@pyratevevo:matrix.org> Now that I think about it more, I fully support this concept of pointing fingers at these supposed "privacy a friendly" service that pretend to be as such yet don't accept the actual privacy currency. 05:11:16 How so? Looked it up and the only crypto donation options are BTC, ETH and USDC. I don't even know about the last one but the first two have massive fees, why tf would you choose that even privacy aside 11:19:39 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/monero-gui-wallet-xmr/id6753956732 > Link? https://apps.apple.com/us/app/monero-wallet-xmr-crypto/id6757924910 11:26:31 When I looked at this now, it didn't advertise itself as a Monero wallet, but something totally different: "StreakUp Habit helps you build positive habits, stay consistent, and track your personal growth with ease. ..." 11:26:54 So name of the app and description don't match at all 11:53:14 @rbrunner7: its a seed stealing app 12:19:34 rbrunner7: Compromised Apple dev account 12:22:48 Either that or they initially published the app as that in order to subvert Apple review 12:23:28 Since I think Apple only reviews when you first publish the app, not everytime you change the name and icon 12:27:20 Also the screenshots don't match either 12:28:03 The developer website also doesn't match 12:30:10 I think it's a little too high effort to make an entire decoy website, so I'm leaning towards a compromised and/or sold Apple dev account 12:30:22 @yokoama:matrix.org: My question is, why would I download this app as a user? Purely based on the name of the app, not reading the app description at all? 12:31:00 The logo looks like a terrible knockoff 12:31:53 They could have just taken the SVG for the Monero logo on the official site, and I don't think there are any trademarks on the logo 12:32:10 Why would they bother design a crappy version of it? 12:46:20 Some people search "free monero wallet" or "best monero wallet 2026" and will use the first result without question 12:48:12 Depending on what the scam is , they generally need to make it look garbage / obvious so the victims who have a few brain cells are weeded out early 13:09:56 The gui wallet still links to https://streakuphabit.bond/#download , doesnt seem functional 14:00:25 @rbrunner7: users are retards, they see monero gui or monero in app name and try it; there are plenty of fools in crypto who dont understand monero & normal monero wallets are imppssible for them to understand . so they try every possible app with monero name 14:02:11 didnt fluffy or someone copyright monero word ? that should be used to take down these apps 15:25:05 :3 15:26:40 @yokoama:matrix.org: Those users must be RetardMaxxing 15:33:54 This must be how quantum nuclear dust works 15:34:42 I'm pretty sure this word is considered a slur now. 15:36:52 BlueyHealer: Autism? 15:39:42 I think its kind of like the N word its okay to say if you have it 15:39:47 Im not a lawyer though 15:41:01 Just an art student 15:45:55 The r-word. 15:46:13 Pretty sure that's almost as taboo as the n-word. 15:53:22 s/then/than/ 15:53:23 Nope, not really, unless you hang out in totally puritan circles 15:53:24 at least, there's rationality behind not using racial derogatory terms, but for the term "retard", there's no rationality behind not using it, as everyone is seemingly fine with using the terms mentioned above 15:53:25 Well, no rationality as long as you're not avoiding saying any ableistic terms 15:53:26 That I could respect a bit more 15:53:57 BlueyHealer: On what planet 15:54:47 Anyway, setvin should be rebanned for ban evading 15:58:15 IDK, I've seen people really push back if someone casually used this word. 15:59:29 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Moon, after Trump would build a tower there 🧌 15:59:30 🍿 15:59:31 I think you got stuck in 2014 - 2017 16:02:17 Trump I'd see as the one who doesn't mind any slurs, even the non-debatable ones though 16:04:50 some people do give a shit, but there's not much rationality behind it, therefore I personally don't care, also mind the fact, that I hang out in le leftist circles, and nobody fucking cares largely 16:11:55 ok 16:45:43 the list with pgp and the others not the shame list > How so? Looked it up and the only crypto donation options are BTC, ETH and USDC. I don't even know about the last one but the first two have massive fees, why tf would you choose that even privacy aside 16:54:29 We still use them to describe different IQ ranges. 16:55:43 BlueyHealer: I would run away from said people. 16:56:22 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: Why not ? 16:56:41 Slur? I thought he spoke quite clearly > I'm pretty sure this word is considered a slur now. 16:57:05 Trademark Moneri* 16:57:07 Monero* 16:57:19 It's a trademark, not a copyright 16:58:14 Has there been precedent for doing this? 16:59:15 the list with pgp and the others not the shame list <- what do you mean? 17:00:01 Here we go. > The r-word. 17:00:12 Offended by everything, responsible for nothing. 17:00:29 I think this is offtopic 17:00:53 @intr:unredacted.org: Happy belated 12 years. 17:01:04 thanks 17:01:13 very offtopic in fact 17:01:18 maybe a good time to reflect on how far we have come? 17:02:07 You know, not everyone made it 12 years. 17:02:13 but seemingly not a lot of people care, so going with the flow seems alright 17:02:14 I find fcmp++ to be much more worthy of celebration 17:02:49 @intr:unredacted.org: What's the latest eta wen 17:03:06 not gonna speak on that 17:03:17 When It's Ready ™ 17:03:28 ® 17:03:43 Are there some obstacles preventing that/ 17:03:57 or just normal dev cycle? 17:04:38 afaik they're awaiting more audits and some discussion revolving around Carrot features now that ukoehb is back 17:04:59 @intr:unredacted.org: Oh thats cool audits can be really tedious and time consuming 17:05:08 indeed, and this is like round 3 or something 17:05:29 There must be some areas of concern? 17:13:10 I think red and blue make purple. My favorite color is black. And purple. 17:13:29 concern is that it is done correctly 17:13:42 after all it is people's money 17:13:55 also Cat's 17:14:33 nioc: If anyone on this planet had a way to guarantee success, never mind I shouldn't speak on this topic. ;) 17:14:50 BlueyHealer: did you even read what i replied to? 17:14:51 nioc: Im personally not worried about cats. They are breeding like crazy. 17:15:14 I didn't say cat, I said Cat 17:15:29 My apologies for that misunderstanding. 17:15:58 @pyratevevo:matrix.org: because it's a bloated electron app that requires a phone number to sign up and doesn't belong with pgp, linux, etc 17:16:30 Requiring a phone number to sign up seems excessive and certainly a choice. Not a choice I would make. 17:16:45 are we talking about Signal? the worst part was the weird Mobilecoin bullshit 17:16:57 if anything that alone should put them on a shame list for not having used Monero 17:17:10 @intr:unredacted.org: Signal is probably a military honey pot at this point. I will let you guess which military 17:17:38 kiersten5821, ah. I mean I just lost the context of the "first list" when closing the client, now get it. Also yeah, phone number and Electron are only part of my problems with it. 17:18:10 I personally don't like Electron either. I think the native daemon should have all features a user needs. 17:18:20 Seems like a design choice to exclude seed phrase in the bitcoin node 17:19:17 meh, the monero daemon doesn't handle keys either 17:19:35 maybe bitcoind shouldn't even handle keys 17:19:40 It gives you something you can write down and save. I dont really care in what context. 17:19:51 Bitcoin had HD recovery words, which they removed 17:19:55 Other very personal gripes I have with Signal is requiring specifically a smartphone to register (it can be bypassed with a cli app at least but that's not as well-known) and not giving an option to use an arbitrary Socks proxy instead of just Signal-specific ones. 17:19:59 These are intentional design choices. 17:20:21 BlueyHealer: I recently had some experiences and IMO matrix offers the best long term support 17:20:30 Communication needs to be federated, not centralized 17:20:42 Centralized communication is a socialist nightmare 17:20:50 @intr:unredacted.org: This is the first round of audits for the implementation 17:20:52 ironically Matrix is actually used by military organizations 17:20:59 Why do yiu mention socialism here? 17:21:06 @intr:unredacted.org: Nah, that couldn't be possible. 17:21:30 I know that I am not affiliated with any military or police organizations. 17:21:31 I don't care about that but seen firsthand why decentralization is a must. Resilience is more important than even security at times. 17:21:53 @setvin:matrix.org: https://element.io/en/case-studies/bundeswehr 17:21:53 https://element.io/en/case-studies/nato 17:21:53 https://element.io/en/sectors/defence 17:21:53 etc 17:22:04 they're very open about it because they get funding from it 17:22:11 @intr:unredacted.org: Those must be role play chat rooms 17:22:26 they host their own servers for internal communications 17:22:45 Is that why they scan my ID when I buy beer? 17:23:10 I got some Warm Beer at Aldis today, reminds me of my friend Otto. 17:23:36 Yup that's true, Morg also received funds from the U.S's army 17:23:43 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: ah so they're done with the math part? 17:24:01 @gan:skhron.org: God at least they spend it on something other than cocaine 17:24:07 Yet they also failed to provide transparency reports for ~2 years, and complained about not receiving enough money too 17:24:08 @intr:unredacted.org: Pretty sure 17:24:10 Do they have to SCAN your ID? I never had this happen, they only look at it. I'm buying wine, not checking into a hotel... 17:24:13 @setvin:matrix.org: bold assumption 17:24:27 @gan:skhron.org: They definitely need more money 17:24:40 @intr:unredacted.org: Sorry you're right, we have not liberated all the Cocaine from Cuba yet 17:24:51 So do they force the stores to retain the ID scans of whoever buys booze? 17:25:14 BlueyHealer: Depends on how weird the cashier finds you. In my case, usually very weird. 17:25:23 Offtopic 17:25:33 I am answering questions, sorry. 17:25:49 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: 🫡🫡 17:26:19 Thanks for being direct and autism accessible. 17:26:20 I know autism awareness week is coming up soon. 17:26:32 I see you're a clown 17:26:47 I dont own any green clothes. 17:26:58 funnier than rotten at least 17:27:16 @intr:unredacted.org: I think he had some employment issues to deal with 17:27:25 lmao 17:27:35 tbh if they tried to scan my ID, I'd rather go to a different store, that's not something where KYC like this is inevitable... 17:27:43 Door dash has me learning table manners lately. 17:27:55 BlueyHealer: Yeah you can. 17:27:57 Usually if the people know who you are, they wont do it 17:28:08 the cashiers also feel uncomfortable scanning peoples IDs 17:29:57 I really love providing monero outreach 17:30:09 I think a lot of the business partners I know in my industry really could find great value in what Monero has to offer 17:30:16 I've never heard of a law forcing to retain IDs like that 17:30:19 Seems like a good area to expand greatly 17:30:44 BlueyHealer: We are building a very efficient police state. 17:30:54 A model simulation. :) 17:31:16 I mean specifically for alcohol. That's not like buying a gun or a SIM. 17:31:31 πάντα ἴδμεν 17:31:52 BlueyHealer: You should come see the local population, will make more sense. They cannot even form a straight line without being commanded. 17:33:20 Scanning your ID when you buy alcohol is going to be the least of people's concern - if I have my way. 17:33:57 In my theoretical simulation, the state has so much data they know what you will do 12 days before you do it. 17:37:35 It's even worse. They think they do, even if you weren't planning on doing anything 17:37:45 their garbage systems make constant mistakes. Look at Flock 17:38:24 @intr:unredacted.org: God I know, door dash cant figure it out lately 17:38:31 Maybe its all those grandmas who think they know how the world works 17:41:04 Gosh, I would hate to be on the losing side of time thinking I can wait out a storm. 17:42:49 3693 17:43:10 get your cat off your keyboard lol 17:43:36 BlueyHealer: Hes very sneaky :3 17:43:58 I mean it's a joke about the random-ass numbers 17:44:01 He never wants to cuddle, but hes always watching. Sorry, off topic. 17:46:30 is there an off topic chat room? I seem to do that alot. 17:46:43 #monero-offtopic:monero.social 17:54:05 👍️ 17:54:43 I think any audit should go smoothly. I think we have a forensic autistic level audit. 17:55:12 If no one disagrees with that, that means you can do as you wish. :) 18:01:31 Also people should remember mental health can affect anyone at any time. Best not to overthink an audit! 18:02:53 I work in the compliance department. I make sure the auditors are doing their jobs as expected. Please let me know if anyone has any outstanding viewpoints. Would love to hammer those issues out. 18:03:29 Does that help everyone? Does that make things very clear? 18:03:31 I hope so. 18:04:22 I really hope so. Please dont be shy, now. Suddenly. Go on 18:05:40 I dont want to be accused of spamming falsely because everyone refuses to engage with me. Would be a shame if that happened. 18:06:20 I know Santa is probably tired of getting letters, he's probably going to have to make Christmas in July with all the feedback he has been getting lately. 18:06:23 Is that fucking clear? 18:12:31 Please, dont be a bird which is frightened by the bow string. Speak up. 18:13:00 You plotting, conspiring flatbreads. 18:13:16 chill man 18:13:24 Good, glad I am understood. 18:14:02 take break , its sunday 18:14:26 @kevino:tchncs.de: Not possible. Spirits haunt me. 18:14:43 Once they rest peacefully, I will be silent. Right now, I am haunted. 18:16:22 Not only do spirits haunt me, the families of the fallen follow me. Stand against me at your own peril. 18:16:59 Your laziness and lack of commitment disgusts me. 18:17:19 Hope its clear. Get to work mopping the floors, peons. Ban me at your own peril. 18:17:38 I dare you. 18:18:31 Each time you act falsely, your spanking will be more great. You will learn. 18:37:42 is "schizo" an appropriate term to call someone?.. 19:36:33 Probably would have been fine if y'know 19:37:04 Stopped himself from talking 15 messages ago 19:37:11 on the internet, yes 19:38:27 Some people should practice self-restraint 19:39:30 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: I specifically said the protocol, not the app itself.