00:18:35 <br-m> <pw:xmr.mx> @banhammer:matrix.org
06:05:42 <br-m> <pyratevevo:matrix.org> You'd be surprised at how many real cybersecurity groups are still on shit like Facebook, Telegram and Discord. It's hilarious.
06:06:00 <br-m> <pyratevevo:matrix.org> At least for the student groups, that is.
06:11:09 <BlueyHealer> YES. I really don't like Telegram but leaving is practically impossible because that would mean cutting off the entire social life. Not as bad as Whatsapp because that's the same problems plus more hostility to degoogled devices, but still the same problem.
08:09:41 <br-m> <gialloxmr:matrix.org> hello my name is Giallo and I'm a designer, very passionate about Monero.
08:09:41 <br-m> <gialloxmr:matrix.org> I wanted to share here the study I made for it, to improve its UI and UX starting from the logo. I'm convinced this can elevate its appeal to other users and investors, and an easier to use interface would bring the next users.
08:09:42 <br-m> <gialloxmr:matrix.org> The logo itself doesn't have to be changed: it can be just slightly adjusted, or even left as is. [... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/rpCJ5f0KejVBZTd1 ]
08:59:29 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> I found the reddit post and there's definitely AI in the text there, which doesn't help you at all
09:00:52 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> your designs are cool but if it becomes just as "sleek" as the other crypto garbage it would end up losing its stubborn and unique identity imo
09:01:27 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> the sharp M and colors immediately jump out, even if it's not pretty
09:08:51 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> that said I really like your sketchbook, wireframe style that uses the current Monero logo
09:13:58 <br-m> <gogo2464:matrix.org> hello. I can not see offers since 1.2.3 upgrade
09:14:16 <br-m> <gogo2464:matrix.org> in haveno / retoswap
09:14:48 <br-m> <gogo2464:matrix.org> I do not see market since 1.2.3 upgrade on my laptopo
09:21:28 <BlueyHealer> TBH I don't get "proofreading with AI" aside from spellchecks. Like, at this point jankier texts are almost preferred as they give more "humanity".
09:22:01 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> good
09:22:14 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> but current logo is better
09:25:14 <br-m> <gialloxmr:matrix.org> to be honest judging an identity from the explanation is like judging food from the packaging or the plate, I just used it to improve my argument, I didn't know it was that important.  I explained why if it looks better it's perceived as better,  even if people are attached to the old look. The improvement should be most on th [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/yPmd5_0KZTZCc0Qx ]
09:46:32 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> @gialloxmr:matrix.org: Hello @gialloxmr:matrix.org
09:46:32 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> We have already been working on a comprehensive analysis and improvement of Monero design using an objective framework agreed upon by our member designers of MDC (Monero Design Collective).
09:46:32 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> https://monerodc.codeberg.page/
09:46:32 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> [... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/guzr5_0Kcno5Sl9T ]
09:53:43 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Btw, the newly created MDC Lounge matrix room welcomes everyone who wants to casually (not professionally) discuss monero design topics or find a suitable designer for their project.
09:53:43 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> https://matrix.to/#/#mdc-lounge:unredacted.org
10:28:21 <br-m> <pyratevevo:matrix.org> @intr:unredacted.org: I think it's pretty. Also, I don't really like the 'aesthetics' of the proposed design here, I would like the Monero 'image' to be either neutral or underground cypherpunk-y, not the clean AI/cryptobro startup look at all.
10:30:43 <BlueyHealer> ESPECIALLY not AI, given how disgusting it is in a vacuum, and especially given how the "cryptobro" projects love it.
10:32:11 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> @gialloxmr:matrix.org: Going by your argument, making the logo look aesthetically similar to hundreds of thousands of pump & dumps, scams, frauds, etc. means it will be perceived as such
10:32:34 * moneromooo wonders whether BlueyHealer is a llm bot with a pattern matching rule on "AI"...
10:33:58 <BlueyHealer> A bot couldn't hate something with a passion)
10:46:29 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> @intr:unredacted.org: The unchanged Monero M letter shape with legs is a strong and stable symbol, unique enough to be much less affected by assimilation compared to other crypto project logos.
10:46:29 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> The usage and demand of monochrome and coin versions of monero logo is already too high to ignore.
10:47:21 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> https://monerodc.codeberg.page/resources/logo/
10:47:32 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Check this out
10:47:45 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> I agree, but I'm talking about redesigning the shape of the M (making it shorter and smoother/slicker) - not about incorporating the M in different design purposes
10:48:16 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> @user2570:unredacted.org: yeah, those are fine. Immediately recognisable.
10:50:29 <BlueyHealer> Why would "smoothness" be better?
10:50:38 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> @user2570:unredacted.org: The outline version of the logo is currently missing.
10:50:38 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> I will upload it soon.
10:51:35 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> BlueyHealer: I was referring to Gallio's redesign proposal, and arguing that it would not necessarily be better
10:54:00 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> BlueyHealer: Smoothness / Roughness objectivity is worse in case of Monero logo because it reduces the stability / rigidity and consistency of monero M letter shape
10:57:34 <br-m> <gogo2464:matrix.org> hello. I can not see offers since 1.2.3 upgradein haveno / retoswapI do not see market since 1.2.3 upgrade on my laptopo. I beg you I want them
11:00:32 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> @gogo2464:matrix.org: https://matrix.to/#/!cSwJDzxRuWndmFUZTd:haveno.network?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=tchncs.de
11:06:12 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Here we go! > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Just post it on your own repo and share the link
11:06:12 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Can someone please inform sech1  ?
11:06:12 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> https://monerodc.codeberg.page/blog/xmrig-logos/
11:19:10 <sech1> That's hashvault's logo https://blocks.p2pool.observer/static/hashvault.svg
11:59:38 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> sech1: Thank you for quick response.
11:59:38 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> MDC member designers, including me are mostly aware of hashvault's logo.
11:59:38 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Yet, we determined that the poposed logo is should be applied.
11:59:38 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> The proposed logo is not similiar enogh to be canceled.
11:59:39 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Also Hashvault is uses XMRig software.[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/8rnT6_0KRzlJQzZn ]
12:02:16 <plowsof> the customer is always right
12:02:30 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> I will upload the logo files (svg, png) on the MDC website for you to download and test.
12:03:26 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> plowsof: Plowsof please 😭
12:08:06 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> plowsof: I don't think it is a classic customer-designer commercial case.
12:08:06 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> With help of MDC we now can be more sure about visual improvement accross Monero ecosystem
12:10:26 <plowsof> this reminds me of equilibrium movie, MDC = father :P
12:14:56 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Before MDC (Monero Design Collective) was named "FUD Agency" by xmrcody
12:15:47 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> After my suggestion and later voting in the matrix room we renamed it.
12:17:45 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> sech1: Proof of voting in the MDC matrix room:
12:17:59 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/unredacted.org/SaMklbvCCWfpKuHUHQWMgjME.png (Screenshot From 2026-04-28 14-16-38.png)
12:24:15 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> plowsof Check DM
12:57:56 <br-m> <pyratevevo:matrix.org> Not the biggest fan of the "coin" variants. I would rather the M's horizontal lines go the end.
13:04:42 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> @pyratevevo:matrix.org: No worries such opinion is already considered.
16:02:59 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> ✅ I have upladed the logo files. > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Just post it on your own repo and share the link
16:02:59 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> sech1 you can download and test 🙂
16:02:59 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> https://monerodc.codeberg.page/blog/xmrig-logos/
19:14:29 <yang> Trying to locate Monero / XMR in Kraken...I went to "trades" , "futures" and there is "XMR Prep" - is that it? because i don't see it in spot & margin
19:17:19 <moneromooo> IIRC they removed monero in the EU and UK. Are you in one of these ?
19:17:31 <moneromooo> Possibly more jurisdictions too.
19:18:15 <yang> yes
19:18:17 <yang> i am in EU
19:19:07 <yang> thanks for clarifying