07:44:10 . 07:44:47 Good morning everyone 07:45:20 I have one question to the group 07:45:28 Or two 07:45:58 Can a disabled or special person or people in need 07:46:20 Run a Monero public node 07:46:23 Thank you sorry everyone 07:53:10 Depends on the disability, on the specialess and on the need. 08:04:37 can we see the 2nd question? 08:13:14 Can a disable person run a docker compose, buy a large enough disk and do the proper NAT routing ? If yea to all then I guess yes 08:13:37 Nope. 08:14:58 The second one was out of question one or two decades ago. 08:21:39 Two decades ago, monero did not exist, so noone could run a node, so no disabled or special person or people in need could run one. 09:07:38 you don't need to do NAT routing necessarily 09:08:49 you could run it just like any other software on your computer. It would just require some space . 120gb atleast 09:30:22 For starters you have the original Monfluo logo colors wrong at https://monerodc.codeberg.page/blog/monfluo-logos/ > <@user2570:unredacted.org> I don't think it is a classic customer-designer commercial case. 09:30:22 Also I was wondering, why do you and 3 others feel the need for Monfluo to change it's logo design? 09:34:28 I like the monochrome open shiny logo.. is this the same one that is used in Cake wallet? > <@user2570:unredacted.org> https://monerodc.codeberg.page/resources/logo/ 09:53:41 @pw:xmr.mx: Yes, the current logo used in the latest app release is has a multi-color theme. 09:53:41 The monochrome version shown in the proposal under number 0 was approved by @anon_contributor_xmr:monero.social . The developer hasn't updated the app yet, and stated that most probably the logo number 3 (M signature concept) from the MDC proposal will be used in the next major Monfluo release. 09:53:41 MDC is clearly helpful in this case of Monfluo logo design. 09:58:43 @pw:xmr.mx: Exactly, Jaime3 (Cake Wallet), who is a member of MDC has shared the PNG shiny / glass / .. version and I have uploaded it for everyone to use. If you need the SVG please contact him. 10:18:58 @plowsof can you please respond to my DMs regarding Monero CCS and Bounties logo proposals? 10:18:58 I hope you are not too busy with fixing the CCS GitLab instance. 10:18:58 Both logos are already approved by 5 MDC designers.[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/yNKVu_4KNUttdk02 ] 10:18:59 @user2570:unredacted.org: #3 is McFluo 10:19:37 @user2570:unredacted.org: I believe they are unwanted 10:19:41 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Lol yeah that's also what I had in mind😂 10:20:01 @user2570:unredacted.org: I like the cleanliness/crispness at jaim3.com 10:20:19 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: If so, the question is WHY? 10:24:17 Don't need a reason 10:24:41 Its like, if i ask a girl out and she says no. No means no 10:24:55 maybe she's just not interested 10:25:35 Btw I am waiting for your response too. Would please be so kind and respond regarding the proposed Monero Docs Icon? > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I believe they are unwanted 10:25:35 https://monerodc.codeberg.page/blog/docs-logos/ 10:26:54 NACK 10:29:04 Sticking with the official icon 10:31:10 Comparing a date rejection by a girl with denying objectively proven Monero design improvements without a reason doesn't seem reasonable 🙁 > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its like, if i ask a girl out and she says no. No means no 10:33:05 moneromooo: So there is a grading for special people who can or cannot use Monero? 10:34:28 No 10:34:39 Its a generic reply 10:34:49 Youre asking "can a disabled person cook food?" 10:34:58 @user2570:unredacted.org: Can I ask, how is it proven? Doesn't it all come down to the applications creator(s) taste? 10:35:23 Well, that depends. Are they limbless and bedridden? 10:35:47 Are they dyslexic? Are they color-blind? 10:36:08 Different disabilities have different limiting factors. 10:36:57 Are they mentally disabled? Physically? To what extent? 10:37:27 If they are disabled to the point where they cannot use a computer, then no. They cannot run a node 10:44:45 @pw:xmr.mx: Great question. 10:44:45 I will send the proof shortly 10:54:36 Proof of what? 11:01:47 @user2570:unredacted.org: Oh sorry I misread the question. Thought you asked about MDC voting proof.. 11:05:32 Im mean the fact that multiple independent professional MDC member designers voted in favor of both proposed logos and against the current state proves the point 11:07:19 @pw:xmr.mx: Im mean the fact that multiple independent professional MDC member designers voted in favor of both proposed logos and against the current state proves the point 11:09:15 The only point it proves is that the MDC members have different opinions. I like a lot of jaim3's coin designs for cake, including wownero. I do not like the monero one 11:10:22 i actually dont like the monocolor stuff 11:11:19 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Don't worry, you are not the only one and such opinion is already considered 11:11:57 for somethibg that was already monocolor (ltc, btc, even eth), it looks good. 11:11:57 wownero logo would look better with some yellow gradient, but doesnt look terrible in solid pink 11:12:22 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I am talking about the proposed Monero CCS and Bounties logos, not Monero Logo... 11:13:53 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Again such opinion is already considered. 11:19:43 @user2570:unredacted.org: Plowsof isnt around right now to answer your questions (otherwise he'd have answered) 11:20:14 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Ok thanks for the info🙏 11:22:13 Are you a part of the core Monero dev/design team? 11:22:13 Why is there the need to push a rebrand for Monero projects at your say so, now? 11:22:13 What's been proven, to be an improvement by logo rebranding? 11:22:13 Do you think logo change across the platform, is going to effect the price of XMR? 11:23:38 There is no core monero dev team 11:23:56 Or a core monero design team 11:24:19 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Oh thank you for the remark I don't have to explain now 11:25:12 Well I know it's community based and people can chip in with things, idk how else to word it. I'm not the best with wording 11:25:40 official? Same answer. There is no official monero design team 11:25:47 There's a close group of regular long term contributors tho yeah? 11:26:21 gnuteardrops made a few of monero's release logos. Anhdres made monero-community logo. Diego designed the old and new websites 11:26:23 @pw:xmr.mx: These remaining questions regarding the Monero logo will be answered in the upcoming proposal in detail. 11:26:29 @pw:xmr.mx: No 11:27:18 Theres no "group". Everybody is independent 11:27:56 Ah right ok. 11:27:56 You don't ask questions you don't get answers 😅 11:29:17 No worries everything will be well documented and transparent, just as expected. 11:31:23 @pw:xmr.mx: Theres no obligation for anyone to chip in, and likewise no obligation for anyone to accept the contributions 11:32:03 Just because i think monfluo should have kept monerochan, doesnt mean acx has to accept my opinion 11:33:22 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: We had monerochan in Monfluo? I didn't know that 11:33:26 it was there from day 0 11:33:55 Monfluo forked from mysu, and mysu always had a monerochan on the background 11:35:37 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/xmr.mx/TzKKGfWSBGdUlqwAzluymmyT.png (share_1870610156892643773.png) 11:35:42 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Oh Mysu ok 11:35:50 I see 11:35:52 Monfluo had monerochan for a couple months or so, before removing it 11:35:57 Yes I actually forgot I have tested it with monerochan 11:36:35 I'm upset 11:37:18 About? 11:39:37 Wait for it 11:40:19 Sausage bread in the grocery store 11:40:28 You know 11:41:52 so was your disability question answered to your satisfaction? 11:45:01 Sure 11:45:19 It's getting better over time 11:47:08 What is? 11:48:15 <321bob321> Nioc where am I ? 11:53:40 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: The number of the beast 12:12:09 the numbet of the beast is getting better? I wasnt aware that it changed 12:13:21 <321bob321> Nioc where am I ? <<>> on a small island 12:14:17 Look east. 13:51:15 It used to be monerochan ?? Wish I was there. > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Just because i think monfluo should have kept monerochan, doesnt mean acx has to accept my opinion 13:55:36 I do like the concept of having a design group. 13:55:36 Is monero.jobs logo made by this group as well ? It looks like it. 13:56:11 just as long as none of the design elements are AI 13:56:53 Of course. 14:19:37 XMR exchange? 14:19:54 what kind of question is that? 14:24:34 Any decentralized XMR exchanges to recommend ? 14:24:46 basicswapdex 14:25:13 crptzd: https://kycnot.me/ 14:25:28 thanks 14:25:32 np 15:27:43 @pyratevevo:matrix.org: Thank you. 15:27:43 Yes monero.forum logo is an example of recent successful collaboration. 15:27:43 https://monerodc.codeberg.page/blog/forum-logos/ 15:28:32 BlueyHealer: ✅ No AI 15:31:28 I have built both websites with no AI. 15:31:29 monero.eco 15:31:29 monerodc.codeberg.page 16:28:35 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/reGAqxEpIfjTkumJXSvxezUG.png (01.png) 16:28:36 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/otMPDiARzbybfSABpfLUkwno.png (02.png) 16:28:37 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/IVvkQSsxptiEkBOPYIrstbRx.png (03.png) 16:28:38 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/RqymNoAadIWpWqTCVIexeODw.png (04.png) 16:28:39 @user2570:unredacted.org: Is what you /your team do voluntary? 16:28:41 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/nESJxRKhQywJhABToxAEJACm.png (05.png) 16:28:49 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/lnnmfsPBJietHIUMpRgJcnrm.png (06.png) 16:28:51 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/SwgsaUUBiRiwNuzgEzPXGobc.png (07.png) 16:28:53 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/imumLXhcCOADDfrCvnmnKwjS.png (08.png) 16:28:55 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/vPArVconXsTakkVkKiySpeiW.png (09.png) 16:28:56 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/eQMmHWdURSQPmUeQelFoWQKu.png (10.png) 16:28:57 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/KBpMLCwoouXYiVLAaktvmZeN.png (11.png) 16:28:58 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/OhWlJpDofDeDsKcIRLwEqtLp.png (12.png) 16:29:00 Hey guis, here is photoalbum from monerochan's birthdays.. every year until today. 16:29:30 i guess the order of birthdays got messed up... but there they are! happy 12th birthday monero! 16:30:20 She is look like Sweetie Fox 16:30:38 @facelessmanq:matrix.org: If you know you know 16:30:46 yup! look how she went from Sweetie Fox to running the world by 12th picture! 16:31:47 @pw:xmr.mx: TIL I learnt sweetie fox is not just a description but an actresses name! nevermind, she does not look like sweetie fox any more to me! 16:32:45 @xmrthrowaway:matrix.org: I apologize for this. 16:32:50 :) 16:35:09 so great album > <@xmrthrowaway:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/OhWlJpDofDeDsKcIRLwEqtLp.png (12.png) 17:05:43 @pw:xmr.mx: Yes, my priority is to deliver design and other improvements for Monero projects, which have actual improvement potential. 17:05:43 I would appreciate a compensation for my work, but this is not my goal. Some Monero projects have understood this and were kind enough to compensate for the objectively proven value that have provided upfront. 17:05:43 By voting and discussing in the matrix room MDC member designers help to determine whether a change is needed or not and pick the best option of proposed designs. 17:12:31 You can't really do things in your own time and at your own will and expect 'compensation' for it. 17:12:31 Maybe go in for bounties and such that have a set pay out or as an alternative, have a donations page on your website? 17:12:31 You keep mentioning your voluntary logo rebranding alongside, proven improvements but haven't shown how - yet keep pushing people to perhaps adopt one of your logos. 17:15:37 Monero & monero based applications have done fine with the logos they have and I just can't comprehend how your pushed attempt at a logo rebrand, is going to do wonders for the Monero infrastructure 17:18:44 Please stop speculating. 17:18:44 I have already stated that a comprehensive proposal for the monero logo is yet to be published. 17:21:02 Your ears are blind. 17:21:02 Keep up the design stuff though, some of it does looks great. 17:21:02 Just don't be so pushy and claim it's proven to add value but have yet to show how. 17:21:02 And if you want to give your time and do things off the cuff, don't sit expecting payments. 17:33:52 @user2570:unredacted.org: Have you tried making a CSS proposal ? And I mean for future work, not retroactive compensation, not really how it works... 17:34:26 never going to fly 17:34:28 Actuall designers like MDC members don't have the concerns you do, because they have seen the monero logo voting results. 17:34:58 Logo voting results from 4 or 5 people. 17:35:24 According to your codeberg pages 17:35:40 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Huh. 17:35:49 @pyratevevo:matrix.org: My monero.eco CCS proposal has known flaws and will be corrected. 17:36:12 @pyratevevo:matrix.org: a ccs proposal to make logos for various projects, is never going to fly. 17:36:41 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Yes it is. New logos have been proven to bring value to monero. 17:36:41 So I guess.... To the moon? 🚀 17:36:45 @pw:xmr.mx: No, the monero logo voting has obviously more 17:37:15 @user2570:unredacted.org: Cool 17:37:42 Please be patient and let me correct and publish things first 17:38:22 Again I don't have infinite time for speculations and endless discussions 17:38:27 Most / all logos that monero uses, have been donated to monero. Including the latest release logo, community logo, etc. 17:38:27 similarily, bounties.monero.social rejects bounties that arent pre-agreed upon by the upstream maintainers. A ccs to make logos for projects that havent agreed to accept them, isnt going to fly. 17:38:27 a ccs to make logos for other projects also isnt going to fly - those projects should be funding their own commisions. 17:38:50 @pw:xmr.mx: I mean, sure it's not at all a priority but I do see value in such an idea. 17:38:50 Looking nice doesn't have to he associated with moonboy-ism. 17:39:17 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Makes sense. 17:39:26 And a ccs to change monero branding, definitely isnt going to fly. Youd need community consensus on it all beforehand, not biased MDC consensus 17:39:58 Damn /s pyrate..... /s 17:39:58 sigh 17:41:15 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I have already told you @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx directly that I am providing CSS and Bounties logos for free and will exclude from the proposal 17:41:39 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: General monero rebranding is a way tougher sell for sure. 17:43:10 @pyratevevo:matrix.org: Yes I agree, that's exactly why it takes time to publish the comprehensive monero logo analysis 17:44:04 @user2570:unredacted.org: My response was to pyrate 17:44:44 @user2570:unredacted.org: Talk shit. 17:45:32 @user2570:unredacted.org: Not to be close minded, but you're gonna have to do one helluva job to convince me of a new Monero logo. I bet many in the community would feel the same. 17:45:33 Perhaps your time can be directed elsewhere. 17:45:44 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I have never stated that Monero logo analysis is part of a CCS proposal, because it obviously should not be. 17:46:54 Again, response was to pyrate 17:49:08 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Ok, It's hard for me to address every valid and invalid claims at this speed. 17:49:42 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Yeah it won't work. It's going to have to be desired first, which I don't see any hint of that at all. 17:51:19 @pyratevevo:matrix.org: Not eyes are focused on such improvements, because not many designer want to risk their time 17:52:09 I still like the concept behind a design group, could bring cohesion and increase visibility quality in the ecosystem. I guess the best approach in my view is to just let the group be known in the community and individual projects can come and ask for a logo themselves, not the other way round. 17:52:24 My confidence is also based on feedback I received from actual designers 17:54:11 @user2570:unredacted.org: Just seems to me like an unnecessary wall to climb. 17:54:15 @pyratevevo:matrix.org: The only problem with MDC currently is that it's member's only. 17:54:15 That's why I am sharing screenshots of votings 17:54:51 @pyratevevo:matrix.org: Might be, might not 17:56:09 @user2570:unredacted.org: Hopefully we can figure something out, like view only chat. 17:56:21 Lulz 17:56:43 Btw I made a MDC Lounge which is public 17:57:01 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/xmr.mx/vHaTsxGABpXNLcAWGCsxZBML.gif (tenor_gif2839519188240434915.gif) 17:58:29 @user2570:unredacted.org: Otherwise the professional designer discussions, will become mess if people join and starts spamming. 18:02:49 @user2570:unredacted.org: I wonder how monero-research-lab handles this /s 18:03:27 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Yeah I was thinking about this too 18:03:29 unlike research topics, design is an opinionated field 18:03:47