04:28:28 hello 04:31:30 hello 10:38:26 The haveno-fork with the lowest fees and minimums, the fastest support and the most unbiased arbitration! 10:38:26 As darkfi does not yet have real life usage (and may never have after Amir Takii turned out to be a mossad asset via Epstein-files), the next best thing is monero (XMR), which you can buy/sell/trade on a DEX , P2P, nokyc, multisig escrow, very low fees, very low minimums: https://dawnswap.com 10:38:26 PS: a new version has been released (1.6.0) with bug fixes 11:27:28 hi, i've made some (quite pretty) webpages about different subjects on monero, if you ever want to scratch the itch on some subjects that you don't know that much about 11:27:28 https://reaster.dev/projects/monero 11:27:28 for example the principal one https://reaster.dev/projects/monero/monero_overview/ 11:46:38 hello everyone! 11:50:23 i'd like to use a virtual phone number for social media accounts verification to make telegram, whatsapp, instagram & other anonymously, 11:50:23 also i've been looking in kycnot.me & it's kinda overwhelming and worried that SMS services might not work for social media account creation because it might be a used phone number thats rate limited or blocked for account creation 11:51:31 anybody got experience with those sms services? 11:53:37 monerica.com lists some 13:52:05 hello 13:53:55 @snowflake:unredacted.org: I've used SMSPool many times: it works and is pretty transparent about its success rates. 13:54:26 i used one time sms numbers, worked well 13:54:36 depends if you need that number to reset, restore, etc your account 14:07:27 Mon@aillia:matrix.org I'm AnonChan I forgot my pgp key for messaging again and generated a new one which I enter now and logged out and back in but I still can't decrypt new messgaes 14:09:03 Do you want be to break encryption? 14:09:40 that would be very cash money of you 14:10:12 No I didn't mean that 14:10:26 I mean why aren't the new messages decrypting? 14:11:49 It's my fault I keep forgetting to write this stuff down I know but I generated the new key and new messages aren't decrypting with the new pgp key it should just be affecting the old messages... 14:11:51 @aillia:matrix.org 14:13:17 Did you upload it here https://xmrbazaar.com/messenger-nojs? 14:15:02 Ok. Who’s selling?? 14:16:54 @aillia:matrix.org: This whole PGP stuff is honestly very confusing like I get it but it's finnicky and fragile as anything... And the JS and Non JS version seem to be be asking or not asking... 14:17:06 And niether is working :/ 14:17:12 I need new messages to come through atleast 14:17:18 I can infer from that what is what... 14:17:26 But new messages aren't even decrypting... 14:18:40 :/ 14:20:17 Alright finally works 14:20:45 🤯 I can not even decrypt your reply rn - is it yes or no? 14:20:59 nm 14:22:24 Because I'm paranoid I have 3 seperate vms with 3 seperate purposes and rank them from least important to most important and don't keep my XMR on the vm I go on the bazaar on hence I don't write down as much information or just keep a password manager logged in becuase I keep nothing of value except my xmrbazaar account and matrix and the messaging apps 14:22:26 is cake wallet still good option 14:22:28 for monero? 14:22:30 or the best option 14:22:57 But yes this doesn't account for edge cases when damn protonpass automatically logs me out of everything and I can't access my xmrbazaar recovery key for messages... 14:23:23 I need more resilliency/redundancy for these edge cases I guess well I did better then last time but still 14:23:36 ever heard about encrypting everything? 14:23:50 We aren't talking about that well I'm not 14:23:54 I have encrypted everything 14:24:12 how did u isolate ur computer and did u jail the applications too 14:24:16 vms are not enough 14:24:26 and also you need strong firewall rules 14:24:37 nothing goes in or out without your approval 14:24:38 the problem is making sure the details to get inside those encrypted vaults for everything is somewhere safe also and not just rely on a password manager to never log out and keep the details of that safe... 14:24:47 Not just use burner emails for the password manager to use for this 14:24:52 I know 14:25:16 you shouldnt rely on the password managers because they have the weakest link is their passwords 14:25:22 I don't have Qubes because honestly it's just too overwhelming like it's not so much technical as it is just way too overengineered it feels like 14:25:27 they just need to know ur login and password and they are in pretty much 14:25:31 I only use bitwarden and protonpass 14:25:43 No I remember most of my own passwords for important things 14:25:55 but if you have local password manager with strong encryption its better because its harder to connect as it doesnt connect to the internet at all 14:26:06 but password managers aka protonpass and bitwarden keep things like monero seed phrases and pgp keys things I literally can't remember in my head... 14:26:12 even if it gets stolen you will still have backup somewhere in ur usb stick 14:26:19 True yes 14:26:43 but my question is that how did u get monero anonymously? 14:26:49 because it is almost impossible to do so 14:27:49 I'm very security and privacy minded my native PC has full luks encryption and then user login password, virt manager has full luks encryption and user login password for every single VM and I do hardening on all my systems it's as best as I can do 14:28:31 I have been trying to get monero with prepaid cards but they dont work 14:28:36 and there's plenty of KYC around 14:28:53 @boats_for_me:matrix.org: Earnt most of it working on the bazaar and originally bought some from my Norweigan friend with steam gift cards and we are very close friends about a year ago I bought a couple hundred AUD worth of steam gift cards and he got me the equivelant in monero from retoswap 14:28:58 I'm frustrated because of these things 14:29:05 And that is anonymous because I went to ebgames and bought the gift cards in cash 14:29:15 Yeah tell me about it... 14:29:23 @pawism:frei.chat: thats nice, how does the retoswap work? 14:29:24 Brother I live in Australia KYC is THE WORST HERE... 14:29:42 australia is crazy atm they want to kyc everything :D 14:29:52 100 points of ID is required to even buy $5 worth of bitcoin at a bitcoin ATM... 14:30:04 Passport, medicare card, credit card and a facial recognition selife... 14:30:09 damn 14:30:22 You can look for physical crypto ATMs > <@boats_for_me:matrix.org> I'm frustrated because of these things 14:30:29 @pawism:frei.chat: do you get headache from blood rush due to being up side down? 14:30:43 @eddie:oblak.be: there's some but they require kyc 14:30:45 Depending on your location it can be a pretty good option 14:30:59 I would like to use the ATMs but 14:31:00 @boats_for_me:matrix.org: Yep same and here there's no exceptions 14:31:13 also for small amounts? 14:31:31 Even a prepaid sim card here requires 100 points of ID such as a passport, medicare card and a credit card and your full name and address... 14:31:34 @eddie:oblak.be: yes its full KYC and only bitcoin 14:31:42 you have to pre-register to even to use the machine 14:31:57 I haven't looked into them after that 14:32:10 that sucks, I used to go around the city and try them all 14:32:12 Yeah in this country it doesn't even matter if it's $5 100 points of Id are required for any amount of cryptocurrency they treat bitcoin atms the same as bank accounts it's bonkers... > <@boats_for_me:matrix.org> I would like to use the ATMs but 14:32:16 there was no kyc back then 14:32:33 I would like to use cash in mail too but they require you to video tape when putting into mailbox 14:32:42 pay some homeless guy to do it for you 14:32:46 What’s wrong with vitalik butetin each time he talks politics about Ukraine 14:32:49 @eddie:oblak.be: ah sounds like it was serving it purpose before 14:33:02 or a whatever guy, homeless isn't persé needed 14:33:02 @eddie:oblak.be: how does that work like 14:33:11 I hate the surveillance and identity requirements of my country :/ 14:33:20 Like what > <@boats_for_me:matrix.org> australia is crazy atm they want to kyc everything :D 14:33:24 It's insane for every little thing so many documents required... 14:33:30 @milas900:matrix.org: everything 14:33:35 @milas900:matrix.org: EVERYTHING! 14:33:36 and everybody 14:33:45 right @pawism:frei.chat 14:33:47 yeah 14:33:49 Going to toilet needs kyc ? > <@boats_for_me:matrix.org> everything 14:34:11 @pawism:frei.chat: They were during Covid insane 14:34:13 Facebook account?? Give me your credit card... Prepaid sim card 100 points of ID, bitcoin atm 100 points of ID... Fancy restaurant show me your passport please... 14:34:15 @milas900:matrix.org: yes most likely gonna happen soon too 14:34:29 @pawism:frei.chat: Even restaurant ? 14:34:41 @eddie:oblak.be: have u ever tried those platforms? 14:34:50 @milas900:matrix.org: Bro in Australia now you go to social media or the hub you need to doxx yourself the same as a bloody bank account it's insanity... 14:34:54 like where u can send cash or some gift cards? 14:35:10 @boats_for_me:matrix.org: which one? 14:35:15 Like okay privacy and security conscious users wouldn't be going there regardless but it's the principal not what they are doing this is on the news what they are doing... 14:35:31 @pawism:frei.chat: then why are fake ID's not a good business? 14:35:36 you should be able to bribe someone, no? 14:35:37 @eddie:oblak.be: I dont know any Im pretty new to this :D 14:36:13 @eddie:oblak.be: You'd think so but in Australia no one seems to have any rebellious nature about them it's an ex prison colony filled with over compliant sheeple it feels like for the most part atleast... 14:36:32 another option what I was thinking about was to mine my own monero but that would take so long and I dont know how to do it safe enough 14:36:43 I would think for ex prison it would there would be some rebellious nature 😂 14:37:18 @boats_for_me:matrix.org: it's a good option 14:37:21 The general public generally complains about protestors protesting at any protest if a police officer overreacts the general public sentiment here is "Well you should not be protesting if you don't expect to get beaten up what are you doing holding a sign on the side of the road??" 14:37:29 if you're in australia you can probably get cheap solar energy? 14:37:51 @eddie:oblak.be: yeah but it would take ages :D I dont have good rig for it 14:38:15 you need to buy a good rig then, the money you would otherwise use to get monero 14:38:26 it takes longer, for sure 14:38:31 Yeah true 14:38:38 how much you would have to use for the good rig? 14:38:39 and how much it would earn 14:39:02 depends on your electricity cost 14:39:13 that's the biggest profit eater 14:39:41 I wonder why monero is dipping right now? 14:39:50 Any particualr reason? 14:39:54 Last night it was looking great... 14:39:57 but if you just want few 100 dollars tomorrow, mining is not the solution 14:40:00 This morning it's down almost 50 $... 14:40:28 For Aussies who need Monero for cash: https://xmrbazaar.com/user/Camylopez/ this guy is from LocalMonero and bonded on XMRBazaar. (unpaid promotion lol) 14:40:54 @aillia:matrix.org: but Im not aussie :D 14:40:59 Im friend of aussies tho 14:41:24 there's living some nice people 14:41:37 @aillia:matrix.org: have u used him before? 14:42:34 and how does that work 14:42:48 is it like human to human irl? 14:44:17 He's a human but apart from that I have no clue I have never used them if I ever buy it's from my own connections not from him I get better deals from my own friends and also more anonymous 15:58:42 > <@pawism:frei.chat> Because I'm paranoid I have 3 seperate vms with 3 seperate purposes and rank them from least important to most important and don't keep my XMR on the vm I go on the bazaar on hence I don't write down as much information or just keep a password manager logged in becuase I keep nothing of value except my xmrbazaar account and matrix and the messaging apps 15:58:42 brother you should learn how to not delete your pgp key before you do this 16:17:21 Orange meme said no and a whale or two said fsck it or something > <@pawism:frei.chat> I wonder why monero is dipping right now? 16:17:23 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/xmr.mx/eEucTZfnxzqfqaYwCtQpLoUH.png ({FB0EFB11-2167-4FB9-A203-B5EF5B797264}.png) 17:08:14 Maybe the person who got the 7000 or so XMR from RetoSwap is dumping? 17:19:21 @hbs:matrix.org: naah 17:20:03 bch down 12% 17:20:32 we shall discuss this in 17:20:32 #monero-markets:matrix.org though 17:51:29 Cat remains unconcerned 18:46:19 what is the likelihood that the RetoSwap 18:46:43 …hacker is the RetoSwap admin 19:37:15 I don't know. I do know that the likelihood that sooner or later somebody somewhere asks that question must be near 100%. 20:23:40 considering he just asked it's very near indeed 20:36:59 good evening