18:52:34 <br-m> <nikitarevenco:matrix.org> I want to get some monero in the UK. Someone recommended to buy bitcoin or litecoin at a CEX (but which one?) And then RetoSwap to Monero.  Any flaws in this?
19:00:58 <br-m> <pyratevevo:matrix.org> @nikitarevenco:matrix.org: You can just swap the shitcoins through Trocador. RetoSwap is last option for swapping, other DEXes like Bisq and localcoinswap are reportedly better (never tried them).
19:18:08 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> U see xmr on localcoinswap?
19:20:24 <br-m> <nikitarevenco:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Access is restricted in the UK
19:29:51 <BlueyHealer> Do you still not have the means to bypass that? I assumed people there got used to needing them...
19:36:08 <br-m> <gan:skhron.org> On such platforms, there's no exactly a useful way to circumvent that, as I bet the common digital payments would be either unavailable, or may not match the local reality, furthermore per their ToS, that just leads to the termination, and I reckon all forms of support would be unavailable as well
19:40:25 <br-m> <gan:skhron.org> For example, LocalMonero used to enforced sanctions (sans geoblocking), that probably led to some occasional funnies
19:44:18 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> Localmonero stopped working in russia few month before they closed.
19:44:26 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> Plus or less the same time localbitcorn did the same thing
19:46:09 <br-m> <gan:skhron.org> yeah
19:56:22 <BlueyHealer> Ah, that. Also I think there were still some alailable options on LM despite this
19:57:26 <BlueyHealer> As for payment - I know a lot of people with foreign cards (which is way too expensive for me), or using various proxies for payment (how I pay for Steam).
19:59:59 <br-m> <gan:skhron.org> BlueyHealer: It pretty much wiped all F2F trades, also availability of "alternative" methods doesn't matter, if you wouldn't be able to have a dispute as a user in that case
20:02:13 <BlueyHealer> F2F? What is that?
20:02:36 <BlueyHealer> I just still recall some trades being there - false memory? Like, just listed under other countries.
20:02:47 <br-m> <gan:skhron.org> Again, not risking in that case is rather reasonable and understandable, as breaking the Terms of Service would lead to termination
20:02:51 <br-m> <gan:skhron.org> how... remind me, how you got here? 🧌
20:03:00 <br-m> <gan:skhron.org> F2F = Face-to-face
20:03:31 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> Face to face
20:03:36 <BlueyHealer> What ft does this emoji mean that you keep reusing?
20:04:06 <BlueyHealer> But yeah, not risking is absolutely understandable, wouldn't personally risk either, I just recall that being there somehow.
20:04:14 <BlueyHealer> Am I mistaken?
20:04:51 <br-m> <gan:skhron.org> BlueyHealer: Sure? but you wouldn't be able to properly dispute anything if that'll be required
20:04:59 <br-m> <gan:skhron.org> BlueyHealer: the name of it is quite self-explaining
20:04:59 <br-m> <gan:skhron.org> that's a semi-trollish statement
20:05:01 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> Only face to face I did was more than a decade ago. I told the guy to withdraw the coin from mtgox, he did not listen!
20:09:03 <BlueyHealer> Why so? did it pull an FTX?
20:09:13 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> And today people still trust CEX. Most P2P contracts are now on binance
20:09:22 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> BlueyHealer: Yeah
20:09:34 <BlueyHealer> Yeah, that frustrates me to no end!
20:09:52 <BlueyHealer> This also contributes to the technilogy's reputation as a whole - people not even using it properly.
20:11:46 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> Be your own bank they say! Imajin if people actually did that instead of using cex as bank