00:30:19 that's how it works, tell people the machine with 5 oom improvement needed to do anything will be here in 3 years and everyone needs to switch to our new algorithm immediately! 00:31:29 although with monero it's more important to get resistance fast because of retroactive deanonymization of tx when they eventually build it 20 years from now, but not for other coins 02:14:15 V 02:14:36 Monero good 03:32:04 Quantum computers will quite simply never exist in any meaningful capacity. Post quantum crypto is solving a problem that doesn’t yet and won’t ever exist by magnifying CPU, RAM, and network requirements. IMO, better to do nothing in this case. > <@quantumresistant:matrix.org> what's the quantum-resistant "migration" plan of monero if any? 03:35:24 never is quite strong 03:37:35 Some things in life truly are that plainly simple though 03:38:58 As hatred outpouring into AI continues and people realize it will never be profitable and the bubble begins to pop people want to jump ship and throw their money at another ponzi hype cycle, this time it’s quantum. 06:17:55 how many stupid German and British and American anarchists are here telling you the same western propaganda, "everyone is safe" relax and enjoy the show. Quantum Computers no advancement? In 2024 Google Willow 105 qubits, now IBM 1000 qubit, that's almost 10x + Google noise-free superconducting. You guys are fucking around wit [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/4PfPqIoLTjlyNFJ3 ] 06:19:53 @quantumresistant:matrix.org: Someone woke up on wrong side of the bed. 06:20:04 no shit 06:20:17 I want something good for Monero 06:20:32 @quantumresistant:matrix.org: It’s open source feel free to contribute. 06:20:46 lol 06:21:00 @quantumresistant:matrix.org: Just talk doesn’t help 😀 06:21:07 open source = free work 06:21:17 it's plain stupid 06:21:29 > <@quantumresistant:matrix.org> how many stupid German and British and American anarchists are here telling you the same western propaganda, "everyone is safe" relax and enjoy the show. Quantum Computers no advancement? In 2024 Google Willow 105 qubits, now IBM 1000 qubit, that's almost 10x + Google noise-free superconduc [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/hpPdqIoLRmJQdFV1 ] 06:21:29 After trillions of dollars and decades, we’re nearing the limit of the physics aspect of it and the computers with high error rates can barely factor 2^12. We’re nowhere near an actual threat to modern cryptography. Even if it came to be, which it won’t and you’ll have tractor beams and warp drives before that happens, [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/hpPdqIoLRmJQdFV1 ] 06:21:37 @quantumresistant:matrix.org: It’s not, if you don’t want to work; let others work 06:22:23 I would help but your crowdfunding site REQUIRES everything to be on permissive license even when you work on it privately. 06:22:39 We have munitions that are very advanced and cost millions of dollars. Being authorized to ever use them even in the heat of battle is rare and usually you’re forced to use significantly cheaper lower tech things because of the associative cost. 06:22:41 it's open source terrorism 06:23:01 telling you under what license the code can be on your computer 06:23:16 That’s how open source works 06:23:25 lol 06:23:29 It’s kind of the point man 06:23:49 There are decades of legal issues it was meant to prevent 06:24:06 I will not give up my intellectual patented work for free to Monero 06:24:23 that's the point 06:24:25 @quantumresistant:matrix.org: Bye 06:24:39 lol 06:25:01 Mr Censorship in action be careful now 06:25:06 Then don’t release a binary. > <@quantumresistant:matrix.org> I will not give up my intellectual patented work for free to Monero 06:25:13 @quantumresistant:matrix.org: Go to bed son 06:27:41 You can't argue with me about nothing, the only thing you can do is shifting to argument about Open Source because for you Open Source is what defined by opensource.org in Washington DC or where the fuck they are in the USA, corporate crackheads will tell you what is open source and then retards worldwide will repeat the same [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/uefzqIoLU1FRcVdW ] 06:32:22 https://ccs.getmonero.org/ is pure TRASH saying at https://ccs.getmonero.org/what-is-ccs/ : "All work must be licensed permissively at all stages of the proposal. There is no time where your work can be licensed under a restrictive license (even as you're working on it). Your proposal will be terminated if this is not remedied." 06:32:59 "even as you work on it" 06:33:42 It’s been litigated for decades. It’s also the chief issue IMO about AI, beyond cost and inaccuracy, it doesn’t provide license and attribution to everything it’s been trained on to create your works which are also legally derivative works. 06:34:07 it's like saying you must license the ABC printed in Rust immediately after you wrote it down so Monero can suck your blood 06:35:28 I'm sure a patented solution would be MUCH better than using something shit from github.com to secure Monero you get rights that others don't 06:37:53 I mean the entire Monero project (including its users), if all tokens/coins/blockchains implementing the exact same FREE NSA AUTHORED algorithms like what they planning now to use in Ethereum and Bitcoin then why should I use any cryptocurrency at all when I can develop my own INDEPENDENTLY FROM NSA/NIST? 06:39:05 Monero and Zcash has CRITICAL urgency and it MUST NOT use NIST/NSA algorithms. 06:47:10 No one should use self developed cryptography algorithms. 06:51:04 lol 06:51:20 all algorithms developed by someone aren't they? 06:52:28 Yes. And I won't use mine. Feel free to use mine though. 06:53:08 -.- 06:53:15 very intelligent Sir 06:54:23 * moneromooo curtseys politely 06:55:28 if someone develops an algorithm that is far better and stronger than any NIST algorithm (and China right now working on that), South Korea already have their own, I don't see why would need to release it under open source when can just license it to semiconductors instead 06:55:40 for billions of dollars 06:57:56 even the European Union want's independent non-NIST algorithms and investing heavily in that 06:58:36 what Monero is doing? Optimizing NSA algorithms because NIST give it for free which is hilarious! 06:59:22 the same thing happening in Bitcoin too 07:09:54 What is the source? 07:10:13 source for what? 07:12:41 China, South Korea and EU are developing their own cryptographic algorithms 07:13:29 lol can't you do your own research? maybe use DuckDuckGo instead of Google that pushing for American propaganda 07:14:16 This is rude talking with sources 07:15:11 omg man you claim I rude talking because I say "american propaganda" "NSA algorithms" and "BE FUCKING FREE FROM THEM"? 07:15:41 You should prove what you say. 07:15:43 that's how I talk, I'm very direct and open 07:16:01 you should do your own research, takes like 2 minutes to open the browser 07:16:43 <321bob321> BBQ > <@yushanren:matrix.org> What is the source? 07:19:43 * br-m farts 08:33:36 does monero maintain supply auditability after FCMP?