00:30:19 that's how it works, tell people the machine with 5 oom improvement needed to do anything will be here in 3 years and everyone needs to switch to our new algorithm immediately! 00:31:29 although with monero it's more important to get resistance fast because of retroactive deanonymization of tx when they eventually build it 20 years from now, but not for other coins 02:14:15 V 02:14:36 Monero good 03:32:04 Quantum computers will quite simply never exist in any meaningful capacity. Post quantum crypto is solving a problem that doesn’t yet and won’t ever exist by magnifying CPU, RAM, and network requirements. IMO, better to do nothing in this case. > <@quantumresistant:matrix.org> what's the quantum-resistant "migration" plan of monero if any? 03:35:24 never is quite strong 03:37:35 Some things in life truly are that plainly simple though 03:38:58 As hatred outpouring into AI continues and people realize it will never be profitable and the bubble begins to pop people want to jump ship and throw their money at another ponzi hype cycle, this time it’s quantum. 06:17:55 how many stupid German and British and American anarchists are here telling you the same western propaganda, "everyone is safe" relax and enjoy the show. Quantum Computers no advancement? In 2024 Google Willow 105 qubits, now IBM 1000 qubit, that's almost 10x + Google noise-free superconducting. You guys are fucking around wit [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/4PfPqIoLTjlyNFJ3 ] 06:19:53 @quantumresistant:matrix.org: Someone woke up on wrong side of the bed. 06:20:04 no shit 06:20:17 I want something good for Monero 06:20:32 @quantumresistant:matrix.org: It’s open source feel free to contribute. 06:20:46 lol 06:21:00 @quantumresistant:matrix.org: Just talk doesn’t help 😀 06:21:07 open source = free work 06:21:17 it's plain stupid 06:21:29 > <@quantumresistant:matrix.org> how many stupid German and British and American anarchists are here telling you the same western propaganda, "everyone is safe" relax and enjoy the show. Quantum Computers no advancement? In 2024 Google Willow 105 qubits, now IBM 1000 qubit, that's almost 10x + Google noise-free superconduc [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/hpPdqIoLRmJQdFV1 ] 06:21:29 After trillions of dollars and decades, we’re nearing the limit of the physics aspect of it and the computers with high error rates can barely factor 2^12. We’re nowhere near an actual threat to modern cryptography. Even if it came to be, which it won’t and you’ll have tractor beams and warp drives before that happens, [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/hpPdqIoLRmJQdFV1 ] 06:21:37 @quantumresistant:matrix.org: It’s not, if you don’t want to work; let others work 06:22:23 I would help but your crowdfunding site REQUIRES everything to be on permissive license even when you work on it privately. 06:22:39 We have munitions that are very advanced and cost millions of dollars. Being authorized to ever use them even in the heat of battle is rare and usually you’re forced to use significantly cheaper lower tech things because of the associative cost. 06:22:41 it's open source terrorism 06:23:01 telling you under what license the code can be on your computer 06:23:16 That’s how open source works 06:23:25 lol 06:23:29 It’s kind of the point man 06:23:49 There are decades of legal issues it was meant to prevent 06:24:06 I will not give up my intellectual patented work for free to Monero 06:24:23 that's the point 06:24:25 @quantumresistant:matrix.org: Bye 06:24:39 lol 06:25:01 Mr Censorship in action be careful now 06:25:06 Then don’t release a binary. > <@quantumresistant:matrix.org> I will not give up my intellectual patented work for free to Monero 06:25:13 @quantumresistant:matrix.org: Go to bed son 06:27:41 You can't argue with me about nothing, the only thing you can do is shifting to argument about Open Source because for you Open Source is what defined by opensource.org in Washington DC or where the fuck they are in the USA, corporate crackheads will tell you what is open source and then retards worldwide will repeat the same [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/uefzqIoLU1FRcVdW ] 06:32:22 https://ccs.getmonero.org/ is pure TRASH saying at https://ccs.getmonero.org/what-is-ccs/ : "All work must be licensed permissively at all stages of the proposal. There is no time where your work can be licensed under a restrictive license (even as you're working on it). Your proposal will be terminated if this is not remedied." 06:32:59 "even as you work on it" 06:33:42 It’s been litigated for decades. It’s also the chief issue IMO about AI, beyond cost and inaccuracy, it doesn’t provide license and attribution to everything it’s been trained on to create your works which are also legally derivative works. 06:34:07 it's like saying you must license the ABC printed in Rust immediately after you wrote it down so Monero can suck your blood 06:35:28 I'm sure a patented solution would be MUCH better than using something shit from github.com to secure Monero you get rights that others don't 06:37:53 I mean the entire Monero project (including its users), if all tokens/coins/blockchains implementing the exact same FREE NSA AUTHORED algorithms like what they planning now to use in Ethereum and Bitcoin then why should I use any cryptocurrency at all when I can develop my own INDEPENDENTLY FROM NSA/NIST? 06:39:05 Monero and Zcash has CRITICAL urgency and it MUST NOT use NIST/NSA algorithms. 06:47:10 No one should use self developed cryptography algorithms. 06:51:04 lol 06:51:20 all algorithms developed by someone aren't they? 06:52:28 Yes. And I won't use mine. Feel free to use mine though. 06:53:08 -.- 06:53:15 very intelligent Sir 06:54:23 * moneromooo curtseys politely 06:55:28 if someone develops an algorithm that is far better and stronger than any NIST algorithm (and China right now working on that), South Korea already have their own, I don't see why would need to release it under open source when can just license it to semiconductors instead 06:55:40 for billions of dollars 06:57:56 even the European Union want's independent non-NIST algorithms and investing heavily in that 06:58:36 what Monero is doing? Optimizing NSA algorithms because NIST give it for free which is hilarious! 06:59:22 the same thing happening in Bitcoin too 07:09:54 What is the source? 07:10:13 source for what? 07:12:41 China, South Korea and EU are developing their own cryptographic algorithms 07:13:29 lol can't you do your own research? maybe use DuckDuckGo instead of Google that pushing for American propaganda 07:14:16 This is rude talking with sources 07:15:11 omg man you claim I rude talking because I say "american propaganda" "NSA algorithms" and "BE FUCKING FREE FROM THEM"? 07:15:41 You should prove what you say. 07:15:43 that's how I talk, I'm very direct and open 07:16:01 you should do your own research, takes like 2 minutes to open the browser 07:16:43 <321bob321> BBQ > <@yushanren:matrix.org> What is the source? 07:19:43 * br-m farts 08:33:36 does monero maintain supply auditability after FCMP? 08:36:22 @tuw:matrix.org: Yes 08:42:42 ok thanks 08:49:10 I'm crying man, how stupid these western Monero trolls are, I born in the west too but I'm not a sucker of the US government and certainly I'm not advocating for implementing NSA approved and filtered and NIST published free crypto into Monero. It's hilariously stupid to think that Monero can survive without proper cryptograph [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/wfX5rIoLWC1BdTUt ] 08:50:46 pls dont cry 08:51:19 😹 09:52:25 https://www.niccs.org.cn/niccs/Notice/pc/content/content_1937428197396713472.html 10:04:01 daddy, is that really you? 10:09:39 yes Son 10:10:49 🥺 where have you been all this time? you said you were just going to the store for a newspaper and some milk 😢 10:12:07 I hope your return with a bitmain x9. 10:16:02 I can meet you Son if you send me some Monero for the bus ticket 10:16:12 🤣 10:16:30 I can give you my seed phrase if it is easier? 10:19:00 DM it already 10:19:09 daddy, left, mommy, and, me, long, ago, and, mommy, is, now, being, pimped, out, by, neighbour 10:19:11 anyway I have to go lol 10:19:20 see you around 10:19:22 LOL 10:19:27 miss you daddy 10:19:42 +1 patchwork 10:19:55 😘 10:20:41 No gay things please 10:20:42 lol 10:20:42 bye for now 10:20:57 lol cya 11:36:23 😂 11:52:00 🌈🥵🥛 11:52:13 Aldi's have the best milk for sure 11:52:37 @xmrusercz:matrix.org: 🧧 11:53:35 It's like the gestapo over here > <@quantumresistant:matrix.org> Mr Censorship in action be careful now 11:54:04 I had to give my parents birth information just to get access 12:52:05 https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/j-berman-4months-full-time-13.html 14:50:20 zflush 15:11:07 XmrBazaar's hosting provider 1984.is has shut down the VPS without warning due to abuse tickets we NEVER received notifications for. We had NO chance to respond. 15:11:07 Good news: All data is fully backed up and safe! 15:11:07 Worst case, XmrBazaar will migrate to a new provider. 15:11:07 https://xcancel.com/themerit0crat/status/2063270323097645156 15:13:05 > without warning due to abuse tickets we NEVER received notifications for. We had NO chance to respond. 15:13:05 From what I've seen, this is usually not the case, and sysops just don't read email for shit 15:15:40 Plus what the tickets are actually telling, was it because of CSAM complaints? 15:17:39 why not self host? 15:25:03 if you want a raid once a week, yw :P 15:25:37 Bunnyh: A risk of A) being DDOS'd to the oblivion B) getting a love letter from the ISP for hosting on probably non-commercial connection and getting the service terminated C) getting potentially raided and having a soldering iron up your ass if you're just an individual 15:25:51 +1 15:28:05 Outside of that, all of those hosters don't ask for personal information (and obviously their services could be paid with Monero), that's not the case with most colos, however some places in Germany don't ask for personal information from what I've heard and can take cash via mail 15:30:38 same https://xcancel.com/themerit0crat/status/2063275665252577558 > <@gan:skhron.org> > without warning due to abuse tickets we NEVER received notifications for. We had NO chance to respond. 15:30:38 ...but I asked Doug and Sunita multiple times, they confirmed there was no warning(s) (with screenshots). 15:46:42 @aillia:matrix.org: Can't they just published them, why somebody have to go out of their way to ask for screenshots? furthermore a small issue, emails could be deleted to hide one's incompetency 15:47:46 Nonetheless, I'll entertain the idea, but it's also important to stay skeptical too 16:12:41 I swear nobody around here recommends 1984 bcuz they are fkd 16:13:25 I dont recall exactly, but maybe something like revoking domains 16:13:49 @rucknium:monero.social what happened to your domains and who were they registered with? 16:16:49 @ofrnxmr: I mean, you either have somewhat competent hosters like 1984, or have a swarm of WHMCS-based hosters with totally amateur operation 16:17:10 in my case, I didn't had too much luck with INCOGNET 16:17:15 @ofrnxmr: tmbk Rucknium's were registered with njalla, and njalla has a very, very bad track record of suspending accounts without notice 16:17:51 Thats right, njalla is who i wad thinking of 16:18:21 @gan:skhron.org: That email doesnt sound like a competent rep 16:18:47 @aillia:matrix.org: Only good use for Njalla is probably personal websites at most, otherwise, yeah, they're fairly trigger-happy 16:19:26 Just get two vps 16:19:26 One in a good officially approved provider 16:19:26 One in russia 16:19:26 Use postgresql duplication and a filesystem that do the same thing (I think there is glitterfs or something like that, don't quote me on this) 16:19:27 Get 3-4 vps in different location for your dns too, host them yourself.[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/nPTquYoLUHJndE44 ] 16:19:38 @ofrnxmr: The email looks alright to me in general 16:20:25 @ravfx:xmr.mx: Described marketplace model of operating via exits with too many words :P 16:21:22 I much preferred my old Ukrainian hoster, UrDN, sadly the national police decided to raid it the final time 16:23:11 My current hosting provider is actually in this room :P 16:25:45 I do self self host too, some stuff. 16:25:45 but still require the VPS to do some VPN shenanigans to bypass CGNAT (ISP only have public ipv6 block) 16:43:44 Just host it on a reliable provider, reverse proxy it via bulletproof providers; have failover dns set up. 16:52:14 @elongated:matrix.org: "bulletproof providers", I'd recommend to stop living in 2009 16:57:27 At least if you reverse proxies, that prevent low level users from knowing where the server actually is and allow you to swap them with DNS when one is nuked, that's a minimum 17:01:16 @gan:skhron.org: Haha I meant someone who doesn’t harass you; can be throwaway providers 17:02:22 @ravfx:xmr.mx: True, if you want to really hide then use .onion 17:03:46 Who hosts thepiratebay? 17:04:07 @elongated:matrix.org: The point is to make the service more resilient and to proof it agains fake complains from low levels. .onion are cool but there is some bandwidth limitation and you force user to use tor when the service don't have to be on tor (but an extra tor/i2p entry point can be nice) 17:04:21 PRQ 17:06:24 Good question. 17:06:24 They do have a ton of proxies too 17:07:31 I think everyone can be one of there proxy too 17:12:15 Best to use geo located reverse proxies 17:12:16 But proxy usage don't remove the need for a backup server with full replication, just in case 17:44:07 @ravfx:xmr.mx: Okay, c0mmando is a schizo that I'm inclined to believe a bit more 17:45:42 Maybe 1984 just want to protect the kids! 17:46:01 Riding the EU/UK wave or something 17:47:55 1984 hosting has always been politically motivated. Same with njalla. 17:48:13 and by politically I mean they enforce their opinions 17:48:22 they don't like your site or domain, it's gone 17:48:52 I don't care if they'd enforce their opinions, but would've preferred if they stated them more clearly 17:49:17 although 1984 states them in a remote way 17:50:00 https://1984.hosting/tos/#:~:text=lists%2E-,2,objectionable 17:50:36 > any materials or information that are, in the opinion of 1984 ehf., illegal, harmful or ethically objectionable. 17:50:49 that's very very vague 17:51:19 Their dislike of le Nozism is stated somewhere on the website "more directly" 17:51:20 in deed. 17:51:55 another thing you have to keep in mind, at least with their domains, is that they buy them for you. This means they own the domains, and they can take them away without reason 17:51:59 Njalla is much the same 17:52:52 @intr:unredacted.org: This is a reality with any such proxy registrars, not that different than using GoDaddy or Namecheap 17:52:58 Pretty much for all non ICANN accredited registrars 17:53:04 I assume that's understood by all people 17:53:14 very bold assumption 17:54:05 @intr:unredacted.org: Well, untechnicals will receive what's coming upon them then 🚎 17:54:22 even more vague is the "file sharing" part > <@gan:skhron.org> that's very very vague 17:54:36 if I host a blog with images, am I sharing those files? yes. Is that really what they mean? probably not 17:55:11 I actually use 1984 for my personal site lmfao 17:55:13 But if they dont like you they can nuke your hosting 17:55:23 For file sharing :) 17:55:40 they can nuke it for poo poo pee pee if they wanted to 17:55:47 Thats why you make vague TOS 17:56:11 I doubt I'd have any legal ground to stand on even if they gave zero reason 17:56:37 they don't have my details 17:56:48 They dont give reason so you cant contest what vague clause they used agains you, normal practice 17:57:02 They own it, they have all the legal right to nuke your vps 17:57:08 indeed 17:57:46 File sharing as in "piracy" probably, why they didn't just went with copyright infringement that was already stated ibid - I don't fucking know > <@intr:unredacted.org> even more vague is the "file sharing" part 17:58:04 it's insanely over priced > <@intr:unredacted.org> I actually use 1984 for my personal site lmfao 17:58:13 yeah it is 17:58:25 that and njal, both rip off 17:58:29 @gan:skhron.org: So they can nuke your vps because you shared html file 17:58:30 if you have a better alternative for offshore and xmr as payment, let me know 17:58:41 @gan:skhron.org: Yes. Probably 17:58:43 @sbt:nope.chat: Eh, Freedom isn't priceless sadly 17:59:01 For a while ihor.online did accept xmr , no idea if they still do 17:59:13 I remember Orange Website too but they were even pricier 17:59:20 @intr:unredacted.org: there are tons with xmr payments, I can think of datawagon for one. sign up over tor, doesn't need any kyc info, pay with xmr, cheap af vps 17:59:28 @intr:unredacted.org: Indeed, probably, the vaguest shit ever 17:59:50 Ton of them use payment processor that accept the XMR yeah 18:00:17 yea cryptomus is popular so u will most likely be able to pay with xmr 18:01:07 Kyun and privex accept xmr directly (they deal with there payment themself) 18:01:09 @sbt:nope.chat: https://datawagon.com/vps, only us locations tho 18:01:41 @ravfx:xmr.mx: Kyun is a piece of shit 18:01:58 Kyun is meh reliability. 18:01:58 Privex is a hetzner reseller, and there site/manager is minimal so you have to go thru support for any change 18:02:03 highly unprofessional, and even their tor site requires js 18:02:21 minimal is a funny way to describe it 18:02:23 Us and Ro location is crap too 18:02:37 the guys who run it are immature retards 18:03:22