00:07:34 @orbit_eyes:matrix.org: that's a good enough grade to continue next semester 00:08:08 Me personally, I can't wait to go back to school 00:08:43 nioc: No one in the Monero community would ever take something without consent how dare you. !! 00:14:51 using Monero as the name system of Tor. read on how it works at https://xns.rocks/docs, https://xns.rocks/docs/xns-and-tor/xns-on-the-web 00:14:59 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/raubritter.org/joQoAXjHsCa3k9CTP80TKQaJ9gvWLXBv.png (xns_in_action.png) 00:32:44 Kkk 02:28:28 @eravsar:raubritter.org: why would i not just squat every single name out there 02:29:49 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: because you have to burn 0.01 XMR per name and even if you squat names you can't sell them safely since there is no update mechanism. no one can know if you have a copy of the private key of the name you are trying to sell. 02:30:35 @eravsar:raubritter.org: i will squat every name and then honestly lease them out to point at other people's onions for a crazy markup, then what 02:30:47 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: good luck with that 02:31:03 this is like saying no one will resell normal dns names because at the registrar the guy who owns it is some random dude's hosting company and you can't "safely" "own" it 02:31:23 now we have njalla doing exactly that and if they don't like you they will just take away your domain 02:32:15 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: yeah but they are legal entities. and yes you can't safely own it. if ICANN doesn't like you they can seize your domain or even worse impersonate you. that's why you want to own a name no one can seize. 02:33:19 having centralized domain names as a trust mechanism is bad no matter what. we have cryptography and better make use of it. 02:34:06 you have to fix the website dude every time i click a link in the docs it flashes me with this giant white and blue github logo before rendering your dark mode docs 02:34:38 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: it works fine for me, i am not a frontend dev, but i will try. 02:35:07 im 100% sure a clanker can identify the problem and fix it 02:35:22 i will let my clanker know 02:35:26 after skimming this are you saying it is impossible to update? i thought at first that the owner of the key could update it or something 02:35:30 Squatting is already a thing with ICANN-sanctioned domains, never understood the people that use it as an argumentation against blockchain-based domains 02:35:55 so if i have mycoolname.xns and it points to an onion ed25519 key 02:35:58 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: no and it is intentional to avoid squatting. at least make people not have an incentive to squat 02:36:05 and oops the onion domain key got deleted on accident 02:36:22 then its messed up 02:36:27 yeah you can't update. and even if you could you lost your key how could you sign an update 02:36:45 @gan:skhron.org: yes i read dfurther and saw there was a fee but because the first intro page of the docs talked about "free" i thought it meant like free as in money 02:36:50 so i said that 02:37:00 no it is free as in freedom 02:37:15 the fee is a burn transaction 02:37:25 @eravsar:raubritter.org: djifferent keys for differetn things 02:38:14 @eravsar:raubritter.org: Hate English for this issue (and many others) to be honest, contextually Germans use the term "gratis" to mean free-in-sans-pay 02:38:37 Somebody should normalize that 02:38:40 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: i mean ed25519 is the most elegant thing today. you can use it for signing and encrypting (x25519) and it is 32 bytes. very elegant until PQ arrives 02:39:10 @gan:skhron.org: yes it is better to use libre for free-as-in-freedom and gratis for free-as-in-value 02:39:53 @eravsar:raubritter.org: different keys as in you have a key for your house and a key for your mailbox not as in my door needs to be a tumbler type and my mailbox needs to be a pin type 02:40:22 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: yeah then use different keys for different XNS names 02:41:06 different key for controlling the xns name and the onion name sounds better 02:41:12 i think XNS is very elegant. people can adopt it for PGP or Tor purposes. i made it because i believe in it 02:41:19 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: then you cant derive one from another 02:41:31 yeah that's why it should have updates 02:42:03 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: if it has updates it makes the protocol more bloated and makes an incentive to squat. squatting is one of the reasons Namecoin have failed. 02:42:07 to me it's just super weird that if i buy a domain for 2 years and then my onoin server gets wiped because i was being stupid, it's totally over 02:42:23 how will you prevent me from squatting every name at 0.01 a year 02:42:38 there arent that many interesitng sites 02:42:51 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: just keep your main Ed25519 key safe. you would do that anyways. like what do you expect from an update mechanism? it would require you to sign with that same key for update. 02:43:20 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: it can't and it won't but at least there is a price and you don't have any incentive to squat. who are you selling it to? why would they trust you? 02:43:37 what if the onion gets hacked and the key is found but the local hardware still has a safer key, the safer key is used for safer things 02:43:59 @eravsar:raubritter.org: no one, it's just to troll 02:44:05 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: nope. it is in same trust level. onion key = xns key 02:44:12 that is not good 02:44:15 that is what i am saying 02:44:23 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: go ahead if you are gonna burn 0.01 xmr for each just to troll lol 02:44:35 Hi 02:44:45 i will if anyone ends up using this 02:45:02 i will register them all to a random key 😂 02:45:27 @eravsar:raubritter.org: That looks more like self-trolling 🚎 02:46:07 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: tell me any other name system thats more elegant than this. i dont want to sound like a damn shill but this is nice since it depends on Monero. as long as Monero is okay you can always derive the same XNS state. 02:46:34 Ok 02:46:37 instead of handing out people your PGP key you can give them your XNS name, and it will be fine as long as you renew your name 02:48:16 @eravsar:raubritter.org: I hope you're familiar with Zooko's triangle? 02:49:52 @gan:skhron.org: i heard it now and i guess XNS achieves all three? 02:50:53 I guess, there's some papers on petname (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petname), and something like GNUnet GNS, but generally blockchain as clunky as they are - pretty close to the middle point of Zooko's triangle 02:52:05 but it is about being built-in to network protocol i guess? not another blockchain. if so Namecoin also achieves it 02:52:19 @gan:skhron.org: is that where you have to pick 2 between getting rich, being honest, and not getting arrested 02:52:22 @eravsar:raubritter.org: Eh, more or less - yeah. generally in the P2P scene, piggybacking off already existing cryptocurrency blockchains considered either harmful or in bad etiquette 02:52:40 zookos triangle is just made up. 02:53:09 i know it is, i just made it up 02:53:14 but there where lots of scams around this idea to push premined altcoin scams 02:53:25 @spirobel:kernal.eu: Everything is made up, by people even 02:53:43 @gan:skhron.org: So and Math, do you have anything more solid towards its criticism? 02:53:50 @gan:skhron.org: but this idea is just retarded. he just made it up. there is no good reason for it. 02:53:52 @spirobel:kernal.eu: yeah like, what memorable actually means? does it mean arbitrary? if not you can have something like urbit's. 02:54:36 @gan:skhron.org: math. does he use math to give proof for his stupid triangle? 02:55:05 he makes it sound like its some deep thought mathematical theory 02:55:16 but it is just a brainfart 02:55:22 zero proof 02:55:53 @eravsar:raubritter.org: You'd consider something like pkarr (https://github.com/pubky/pkdns), onions and i2p addresses as memorable? 02:55:59 @eravsar:raubritter.org: urbit 😂 02:56:14 it is like weird frameworks in sociology. it looks complex and seems smart but actually means nothing > <@spirobel:kernal.eu> he makes it sound like its some deep thought mathematical theory 02:56:37 let me know when you have some users and i will register a few dozen of the most common names to resolve to nothing 🍵 02:56:38 Completely side-stepped what I've said, spirobel take some catnip > <@spirobel:kernal.eu> math. does he use math to give proof for his stupid triangle? 02:57:39 @eravsar:raubritter.org: It have some use, but indeed it's not as rigidly defined, many things aren't 02:58:11 @gan:skhron.org: so your claim is that this "idea" needs some deep rebuttual. he makes these wild claims in this theory about what is and isnt possible and shows no proof 02:58:57 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: that's the problem. i don't know where to find people who are interested in this. that's why i am talking in monero matrix. i believe this is extremely useful, but where are the actual cypherpunks? sometimes i feel like i am talking to the void. i would like this to get adoption. 02:59:22 @spirobel:kernal.eu: Hm, to be fair, I'd agree that unlike something like Dunbar's number, there's no proof for that idea 03:01:49 @gan:skhron.org: it is not even falsifiable. it is just zooko saying random scientific sounding words that are vague and mean nothing. unsure how this ever got a wikipedia article. should probably be marked for deletion. 03:01:49 Let's stay on topic 03:02:51 @eravsar:raubritter.org: Any real cypherpunk is busy editing /etc/hosts or mapping keys manually à la Addresshelper on I2P 🧌 03:03:06 be the change you want to see 03:06:37 @gan:skhron.org: yeah i've seen many interesting eepsites. but i am not sure if it would be possible to resolve pure Ed25519 pubkeys to I2P destinations, probably not. I2P is abstracting destinations for a good reason though. it can get PQ resistant very easily. i can't say if PQ is a FUD but if it is even theoretically possible then it should be known 03:08:17 @hoss__delgado:matrix.org: This is somewhat on topic since the person's software uses Monero to function, but if it'd balloon, we always can move to the offtopic, thankfully there's no support discussion to derail currently :P 03:09:39 @gan:skhron.org: is there an offtopic channel? i didn't know. but yeah XNS is a parasite of Monero. 03:11:57 @eravsar:raubritter.org: matrix:r/monero-offtopic:monero.social (#monero-offtopic:monero.social) 03:12:46 @gan:skhron.org: thank you 03:14:55 i think cyppherpunks just copy super long onion domains and pgp messages etc around because it makes them feel cool 03:15:35 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: there is nothing wrong about that but i would like to find them and talk to them about this 03:16:27 i guess you just did 03:16:51 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: lol. 07:49:47

Any recommendations websire or software for swaps bitcoin and monero 08:16:11 @berry.stiller-2w:matrix.org: basicswapdex 08:25:05 https://basicswapdex.com/desktop.html# 08:25:05 scroll down and install via bash commands. 09:08:27 Are there traders on Haveno I can reach by telegram? I want to trader without platform in the middle > <@pw:xmr.mx> Haveno - it runs on a 3rd party network retoswap 09:16:01 @sundjr:unredacted.org: This is way too risky, no one will be willing to trade with you without a harness. Even Haveno with the arbitrators related risk is better than a direct p2p between strangers 09:18:39 Are telegrams shared there?