00:12:53 @hbs:matrix.org: idk i dont work for the government 00:16:50 We all know that they are going to delist it entirely, so they might as well just get it over with. 00:20:23 @pw:xmr.mx: For which country is this? 00:21:39 @servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru: Best guess would be probably the US, because it's already been delisted entirely in the EU, and I think that Kraken might only serve the US and Canada, so it's probably one of those two. 00:22:40 Hmm didn't got an email.. That sucks nonetheless. 00:30:24 I think its already out of Canada 00:32:07 if you expect to exceed limits you can go through a whitelisting review process 00:33:05 what is the purpose of your xmr activity 00:33:12 duh $ ofc 00:33:39 etc 00:39:30 DataHoarder[m]: I see posts on matrix that I don't see on irc, specifically from gan aka ganza 00:40:10 do you have a time period? 00:40:59 just now to at least 2 hrs ago 00:41:05 @eddie:oblak.be: this is extremely hard, they will need to be thorchain/serai style with a separate dedicated blockchain to have anything even close to a good ux (paired with a brand new token for security). then clueless ppl will say its a shitcoin scam 00:41:11 00:06:00 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: P2P markets outside of CEXs do exist, just to note 00:41:21 I see none on matrix 00:41:36 remember the bridge follows monero.social perspective 00:41:53 if monero.social dropped their messages, they won't get bridged, as even Matrix side is unaware 00:42:03 I don't see any on Matrix on my monero.social user 00:42:06 thanks Federation 00:42:08 I see nothing from gan today on irc 00:42:17 I just posted the single message 00:42:25 Is Kraken the last centralized exchange on Earth to offer Monero to Fiat directly? 00:42:31 just after you got pinged 00:42:35 00:02:55 @nioc - like most of us 00:42:35 00:06:00 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: P2P markets outside of CEXs do exist, just to note 00:42:58 yes that one I see, sorry 00:43:13 nothing since on Matrix side 00:43:45 well I see several from him on matrix, catgirl.cloud server 00:43:53 that's just Matrix then 00:44:00 nothing on monero.social so they don't exist 00:44:11 remind me again why people use that shit? 00:44:42 see https://irc.gammaspectra.live/5bd6ad001ffd5f6f/image.png 00:44:52 if you want a centralized view of messages nioc, use IRC 00:45:01 the monerokon channel bridge is ded for me but seems to work for geonic 00:45:03 otherwise there will be federation loss across matrix 00:45:09 I don't run that one :) 00:45:22 yeap 00:46:51 gan is quoting me on matrix but I don't see him here 00:47:24 here being irc 00:47:33 because monero social cannot see 00:47:44 irc just gets the monero.social matrix instance view 00:47:55 so many problems with monero.social :( 00:47:57 https://irc.gammaspectra.live/801a5308afa46a7e/image.png 00:48:00 matrix view 00:48:05 and my previous link too 00:48:09 if you want to compare 00:48:16 thx 00:48:48 need to go, bbl 00:49:42 Nor only monero.social nioc 00:49:53 the matrix got another cat 00:50:02 and got brainfucked again 00:52:27 DataHoarder: fucking interesting 00:52:29 wait a sec, I'll issue a membership event 00:52:32 maybe I'll pop in the monero dot social view then after a membership event 00:52:34 oh you are back 00:52:35 nioc: it works alright in my experience, nor Rome was built in a day. decentralization is hard, especially the weakest form of it 🧌 00:52:35 I probably got state reset on monero dot social to non-existence, because DAGs be DAG'ing the nuts across the screen 00:52:37 lol 00:52:38 yeah, for whatever the fuck monero dot social doesn't see me, and after a membership event got issued, it still doesn't 00:52:42 that looks like an authchain failure, because my messages ain't even being backfilled > https://irc.gammaspectra.live/801a5308afa46a7e/image.png 00:52:45 Cya cat 00:52:47 spam of your messages now lol 00:52:53 indeed, I'm being fucked rn 00:53:09 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/p/3qvxvJYLU3p3S0E2/1.txt (code snippet, 18 lines) 00:53:11 you are back :) 01:00:31 the irc is shit, cannot believe this channel admins are using a provider that bans vpns? is this about privacy or not? you all gave your home ip to the libera.chat? 01:01:10 it's the irc network, which allows tor and VPN but only with registered accounts 01:01:25 not the channel. 01:01:51 yes, the channel admins are using a network provider that bans vpns 01:01:58 and you cant register an account on a vpn 01:02:12 all the channels are there, not just a single "admin" 01:02:23 largest network for open source 01:02:29 but if desired, you have matrix. 01:02:42 And they are bridged, but ofc you get matrix issues 01:02:53 in fact IRC users appear like Matrix users (hi from IRC) 01:22:10 Yeah sure, look at my matrix "name" !! 01:22:52 happening again @gan:skhron.org 01:22:58 all messages came at once 01:23:00 I almost fucked the room state on my server in half 01:23:08 yeah, and my IRC message took forever to arrive too 01:23:14 DataHoarder[m]: it should be fixed now probably 01:24:35 @ravfx:xmr.mx: it was instant on monero.social 01:25:59 That's what she said 🧌 01:26:52 Judging by the view of other servers, it should work(TM) now 01:52:58 i rather use the most trashy cf javascript bloated webapp than a pretend leet network that blocks vpn registration, which is exactly what i am doing 02:00:36 @kiersten5821:matrix.org: Only don't od on copium 02:08:36 then use something other than matrix.org lol 03:36:43 nioc I don't see you in that channel ? 08:08:39 Pretend leet? What? 08:08:54 also I keep hearing that but to my knowledge, "leet" isn't really a word 08:14:10 leet aka elite aka 1337 ? 08:14:48 So slang basically? 08:14:59 BlueyHealer: it's quite a word - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/leet#English 08:15:10 welcome to the internet young one. 08:15:29 Wait, 1337 as in the torrent tracker is not random? 08:15:36 but you're probably interested in https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/leet#Etymology_6 08:15:45 I use limewir3 08:15:59 limewire 08:19:01 BlueyHealer: Don't tell me that you're this young, you didn't even had phones with buttons? 08:26:28 I have heard of Limewire but don't think I've ever used that 08:26:58 I did have a dumbphone in kindergarten, still used it recently) 08:27:42 As for peer-to-peer, aside from obviously torrents, I've only used Soulseek because for music it's way better than any tracker or site I've seen. 08:28:04 ofttopic :P 08:30:37 yeah fair enough 08:32:09 Just to finish: seems like here it's used in the "elite" sense. What's "elite" about Libera? That's about the biggest network and doesn't seem to have any "exclusive community". 08:56:24 bluey you should just mute yourself 09:28:10 I was just referring to "than a pretend leet network that blocks vpn registration". There doesn't seem to be anything "pretend elite" about a regularnetwork. 12:18:21 BlueyHealer: the "exclusive community" is about open source projects 12:35:06 Maybe, then how is that "elite" given that this is not just the devs, but people asking for support as well? 15:01:36 How to connect to the default public node (no blockchain download) in cli? 15:02:20 what are the ip and port for the public node used by default in the gui? 15:02:54 gui simple mode 20:52:50 What's the best way to buy XMR with fiat (USD)? No KYC is preferred but not a requirement. Started setting up Kraken until it asked for my SSN; I understand Kraken is relatively trusted so if there's no better alternative I wouldn't be entirely opposed to using it, just looking at my other options. I'm new to Monero and crypto as a whole if it isn't obvious already 20:54:44 Apologies if this isn't the correct place for this question, I just realized there's also a #monero-support channel 20:56:40 for fiat people use retoswap 20:56:56 might take a bit of getting used to 20:57:26 @rb411:matrix.org: Kraken is reducing purchase limits to 1500/mth 20:57:32 there is a channel here haveno where you can ask questions if you need 20:57:52 haveno is the underlying protocol for retoswap 20:58:27 #haveno:monero.social 20:58:37 ofrnxmr it is possible to get whitelisted to get higher limits :D 21:00:30 Id prefer to be blacklisted 🤬 21:00:50 Register an llc and tell them i need it to run my drug empire 21:01:53 its total nonense that you can deposit 3k but only withdraw 1.5k. Thats just telling ppl to sell more than they buy, and you have to tell them what yoire spending it on if you want to get whitelisted 21:15:17 sushi for Cat 21:15:51 please don't tell them Cat gets it from the chef for free 21:20:41 Can someone remind me what is planned for the future of tx_extra? 21:21:01 its going to stick around 21:21:43 Will it become smaller? Will there be any changes to it? 21:22:16 IIRC its going to be limited by consensus and all the required fields for tx scanning in it are going to be moved to dedicated fields 21:27:07 cc @jeffro256:monero.social 21:28:39 Right now, as the FCMP++ integration is coded, tx_extra more or less remains the same: tx_extra fields are re-used for Carrot. 21:28:59 The tx_extra length relay rule becomes a consensus rule after v17 21:29:45 Someone let me know what's all this 21:30:22 is a field attached to a tx that contains extra data 21:31:16 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Still don't get it 21:31:56 i think you yse tx extra for runes on monero 21:32:53 @kevino:tchncs.de: Sorry 😐 but I'm new here 21:33:23 @kevino:tchncs.de: It's also used for regular sending and receiving of XMR. By default it contains ephemeral tx pubkeys used for ECDH to encrypt e-notes to the receivers. It also contains the encrypted payment ID, if applicable 21:33:55 ohh i didn't know 21:34:03 good to know 21:35:29 @jeffro256: Is that planed to change, I remember discussion on moving the tx keys to the tx outputs? 21:37:31 For example, take a random 1-in 2-out tx like this: https://xmrchain.net/tx/5348d2cc99a96ca3b101ddc5b0b0a3b0b1fd08b879db1171a9cb5034634d8caa/1. Click on "show JSON representation" and look at the "extra" field. It's 44 bytes, which is 1 byte for the main tx pubkey tag, 32 bytes for the main tx pubkey itself, 1 byte for the "no [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/obK-4JYLNmlqc0Y2 ] 21:38:25 @boog900: Not at the moment, since we were trying to minimize breaking changes for FCMP++ as hard as possible, but I'm open to it 21:39:26 If moving Carrot stuff to its own fields outside of tx_extra, you need some additional serialization rules because you only need 1 ephemeral tx pubkey for 2-out txs, but N pubkeys for N>2-out txs