14:51:27 <moneromooo> There was a proof of concept, but it had a drawback that could not be fixed: IIRC all the contributors would learn the real spend of other contributors.
16:33:06 <br-m> <pcre:matrix.org> Is there any statistic showing which Monero wallet has been downloaded the most—Linux, Windows, GUI, or CLI?
16:38:04 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> Not really. You would have to accumulate stats from each distrib repo, each wallet sites and bandaids like flatpak and appimages.
16:40:02 <br-m> <pcre:matrix.org> thoght so.
16:40:14 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> Some repo have download counter but its not representative of the whole installed parc.
16:42:15 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> Feather wallet 2.8.1 for windows has been downloaded 58 times on chocolatey (thats public information)
16:48:36 <br-m> <pcre:matrix.org> The Monero web server itself should contain interesting information about this. grep 'monero-linux-x64' access.log | wc -l
16:50:59 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, if they log that
16:52:38 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> But many download probably come from the distribution directly so still not really good stats.
16:52:38 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> many source based distrib use the source from git instead too
16:56:21 <br-m> <pcre:matrix.org> Fair enough. What’s your personal guess? Does Monero have more Windows, Linux, or macOS users? Or is it actually iOS and Android in the end?
17:02:12 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> Windows have a lot more users
17:02:12 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> But the ratio of people using monero on Windows vs Linux, unknows. But the stat for how much windows users are using some of the monero thing should be more accurate assuming getmonero can look. Monero CLI (old) is on Chocolatey but not monero GUI so I would assume most windows using wanting to use Monero-GUI would get it on getmonero
17:08:10 <br-m> <pcre:matrix.org> Thanks. It will likely align with the global operating system market, with Windows and Android as the dominant operating systems.
17:10:43 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Maybe, but I would also suspect a disproportionately high number of Linux users use Monero
17:11:00 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> There is probably a bigger ratio of monero user that use Linux compared to average computer users, but we can't know
17:11:31 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> @jpk68:matrix.org: But that's is just assume()
17:11:52 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> without proper data to confirm
17:11:54 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Looks like Arch Linux package stats rank Monero as more than twice as popular as Bitcoin Core
17:13:10 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> XMRig claims to have over 164M all-time downloads
17:13:51 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> However, it has been used in malware campaigns as well
17:14:23 <nioc> does downloading a new version count as a download?  :)
17:16:20 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> Does reinstalling it on the same system count as a download?
17:16:20 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> Does reinstalling because a lib farted count as a new download?
17:16:21 <br-m> <elongated:matrix.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: 160 million bots
17:16:22 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: I'm sure it does
17:16:24 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> some distrib have -1, -2, -3, etc, etc... for each time a lib fart
17:16:25 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> so one could deduct the them but will prevent having proper data still because legitimate new users could be mixed in that
17:16:39 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> same goes for bitcoin core tho
17:16:58 <br-m> <pcre:matrix.org> 160 million—that’s a serious figure.
17:16:59 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> Same for everything Linux
17:17:05 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> still, not accurate
17:17:07 <br-m> <intr:unredacted.org> but interesting ratio
17:17:23 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> You can't get accuracy from an heavily decentralized and fragmented system
17:18:32 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Each of the following wallets have "100K+" downloads on the Google Play store: Cake Wallet, Monero.com, Monerujo, MyMonero
17:18:55 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Monerujo has "2620 downloads" on F-Droid, but I'm not sure what timespan that's supposed to be for
17:19:15 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> @jpk68:matrix.org: Does updates count as new download on there?
17:19:28 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> The iOS app store does not publicly show downloads, however Cake Wallet has claimed they have over a million total downloads
17:19:41 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Ys
17:19:42 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Not sure :(
17:19:44 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> Or it does telemetry (Install = new user, uninstall = user gone, update = nothing)?
17:20:40 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> @jpk68:matrix.org: Prob lifetime. Its their own private repo
17:21:23 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Stack Wallet and Stack Duo have "10K+" and "500+" respectively (Google Play)
17:23:28 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Monero.com is #181 in Finance in Slovakia 😎
17:24:16 <br-m> <pcre:matrix.org> Not every Cake Wallet user is automatically a Monero user.
17:24:16 <br-m> <pcre:matrix.org> Cake Wallet is now a multi-coin wallet.
17:25:21 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Yes, I'm aware :)
17:30:54 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> Monero could report the Operating Unique Tracking Number to mothership and count that way ;)
17:30:54 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> report each time one start the application, and if a ID is not used for over a month considere it gone.
17:30:54 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> Fixed!
17:35:38 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Please accept the terms and licenses for usage... oh, wait, we're adding that anyways
17:35:48 <br-m> <yahniukov:matrix.yahniukov.com> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Wow
17:35:48 <br-m> <yahniukov:matrix.yahniukov.com> Totally aligned with project philosophy
17:35:58 <br-m> <pcre:matrix.org> You can easily land in hot water with that.#
17:36:41 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> @yahniukov:matrix.yahniukov.com: I am been sarcastic
17:36:41 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> But that's the only way to actually properly count
17:37:27 <br-m> <yahniukov:matrix.yahniukov.com> @ravfx:xmr.mx: I know it was a joke)