01:16:28 hi, is it normal to take confirmations this long when sending xmr? it's been 30mins, confirmations 1/10 01:17:55 How long was the estimated wait time when you selected the swap provider? They always tell you 01:18:28 I'm done with trocador swap, now sending to another address 01:18:46 ok, now it updated to 2/10 confirmations 01:19:46 That's strange, since 20 minutes ago, it was 00:50, and there have been five blocks since then 01:20:30 Might just be a matter of coincedence :/ 01:20:52 s/coincedence/coincidence/ 01:21:19 yea, 3/10 confirmations now, 01:21:20 I may need to take a nap, I did not know sending xmr take this long 01:22:04 Typically, it should be spendable in only 20 minutes 01:22:27 However, you can usually be assured it's been sent after just one confirmation 15:03:05 Anyone has monero business cards designs and stuff? 15:03:05 different than the ones listed for the press kit 15:03:05 or some cool monero designs that i can of course translate into spanish? 15:03:05 [... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/--anwq0LQ3ppVDA0 ] 15:06:24 Hmm, I was thinking you could get the "don't buy Monero" sticker, crop it to 'portrait' orientation, and then print a bunch of small ones on the backs of paper cards 15:06:49 Sometimes people leave these cards that are like "here's why I paid with cash" 15:07:51 mmm interesting 15:07:53 will take a look 15:08:40 Be sure to recommend them Monerujo for high-quality Spanish localizations ;) 15:09:01 oh i will 15:39:36 Sometimes people leave these cards that are like "here's why I paid with cash" <- WDYM? 15:45:48 https://www.reddit.com/r/Weird/comments/xefd0f/found_this_at_work_earlier_tonight/ 15:46:07 Ignore the fact that Redditors think it's weird :P 16:11:20 @jpk68:matrix.org: I'm not sure why we give special praise to something that is still at the end of the day a government system and has pretend value. Next time leave a chunk of gold 😆 16:22:06 hi people, is there any way to check the value of monero in a preferably open and privacy respecting way? 16:25:14 Are you talking about price? With respect to which currency? 16:26:55 @jeffro256: yes, USD or EUR 16:27:41 @muffin:catgirl.cloud: what a strange question. don't overcomplicate things, like google the price 16:28:09 *search 16:28:23 nioc: sure 16:28:39 I wouldn't classify Google as "privacy respecting" 16:29:26 @jeffro256: now you all overcomplicate things)) yes, I meant search. 16:30:24 Depends on what you mean by "open", since basically all price calculations are by nature closed, but there's this: https://price.haveno.network/getAllMarketPrices, you an access by Tor 16:30:53 If I want to check price against USD, EUR, etc, I usually check my Haveno client 16:30:59 @jeffro256: thank you! 16:32:07 If you don't use an anonymity network, then there's nothing stopping haveno.network from tracking you. I don't think they do, but it's technially possible 16:32:43 yes, you're right 17:16:30 added an lws page if anyone is interested https://monero.fail/lws 17:49:01 @lza_menace: No no no 18:17:11 @lza_menace: Got helpful links, therea also lwcli 💪 18:17:33 (a TUI wallet for lws) 18:26:45 https://github.com/cifro-codes/lwcli 21:13:51 How can I see what the default is for a setting in the Monero Wallet CLI such as interactivity-lock-timeout or always-confirm-transfers or even see what the current is set to. 21:15:09 I think you can just type "set" 21:18:30 yes 21:20:59 Yep, thanks. I intend to one day in the future switch to post market OS, and there's currently no GUI for post market OS that works properly, so I'm learning to use the command line wallet. 21:22:34 post market os? 21:23:15 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: linux for android phones: https://postmarketos.org/ 21:23:46 whats wrong with feather? 21:25:24 oh nvm 21:26:35 Yeah, Post Market OS is mainline Alpine Linux running on a mobile phone. 21:27:38 AI was telling me that some work was already done on the Monero GUI to make it more mobile friendly but that it wasn't completed and that it would probably work best since it's already written in QML and could be made to scale properly. 21:30:37 But there are things that need to be fixed, like the scaling would have to be upped to 2x for mobile displays, and the minimum window width would have to be reduced to like 360 pixels wide, and some dialog boxes would need to not use fixed widths like the setup wizard and stuff. 21:33:55 Theres a dockerfile for gui android 21:42:56 @ofrnxmr: I would have to figure out how to make use of something like that. 21:44:08 I was able to compile the gui for desktop following the instructions tho. So, maybe 21:50:32 It won't be completely relevant anyway if it builds an Android APK, but if the GUI compiles in a mobile usable form, then that would make it easier to port to post market OS. 21:52:12 I can try it on my Android, since that's what I currently have, and see where the issues are, and report bugs. That I can do. 22:04:28 Well, I got an error when making the build environment, so I reported it as an issue. 22:04:28 https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/issues/4716 22:08:13 shortwavesurfer2009: if you apply this PR is should work https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/pull/4659 22:10:43 selsta: Brb... 22:19:35 selsta this might be a dumb question, but I just did a git pull on selst/monero-gui. Do I need to actually switch to the specific branch before running the Docker build commands? 22:19:47 Docker build --tag ... 22:20:09 yes git checkout qt6 22:27:17 K 22:28:07 git fetch origin pull/4659/head:qt6_4659 && git checkout qt6_4659 22:28:38 oh, whoops. i missed that you added selstas repo directly, so checkout qt6 should work on its own 22:30:08 Sorry for the noob question. I generally always say that I couldn't build my way out of a wet paper bag. 22:38:53 You know, I wonder if this command could be improved. 22:38:53 "docker run --rm -it -v :/monero-gui monero:build-env-android" 22:38:53 Could be replaced with like "$(pwd)"? 22:41:55 Actually, I can't remember if Windows has PWD or not. I know they do stupid shit. So maybe that wouldn't work. 22:41:55 It's been so long since I've touched a Windows computer though that I can't honestly remember. 22:44:31 Thx selsta that worked 22:45:23 See, this is why you are smart people, and I am not. 23:01:52 @absinthium:4d2.org: Are cryptocurrencies' value also not determined by people's belief in them? 23:01:52 (Genuine question: not yet active in the cryptocurrency space.) 23:03:26 @ofrnxmr: have you gotten this compiled and working? 23:05:45 yea 23:06:02 havent used it in a few months, but yes 23:07:58 i probably subbed ../../ for $HOME 23:08:19 always had issues with cmake and relative paths 23:10:18 @lza_menace: someone explain me why should there be public lws ? users will just use random lws and loose their privacy a bad actor will just reverse proxy and dominate your lws list , this is so wrong 23:10:53 some people dont care 23:11:20 like, if you cared, you would run your own lws server and would have never used mymonero 23:12:19 yet, mymonero had a lot of users. 23:12:31 yeah, different threat models. plus, it's still anonymous. nobody is suggesting you load up a wallet and use a LWS as your primary store. but if you wanted some funds while mobile and LWS meets your needs, no reason you couldn't safely load a hot wallet temporarily w/ burners 23:12:35 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: atleast mymonero was a single 3 digit operation 😅 23:12:55 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: it had lot of users before light wallet mobile apps came up 23:13:01 if some stranger uses my lws, and i dont know or care who it is, theres not much im going to do witht he info 23:13:25 @yokoama:matrix.org: nah, it had a lot of users at the last hardfork when daily txs dropped like 30% bcuz it was broken 23:13:28 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: if the list is filtered with trusted operators, i am fine 23:13:56 he has a field for contact info, so im sure trusted folks can add their own there 23:14:06 just like the node page, a bad actor can add their nodes there too 23:14:11 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: last fork was years back, mymonero shutdown and there was not much change in txs 23:14:31 mymonero hadny been working for a long time when it shut down / barely functional 23:14:40 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: this is a concern, 100s of bad actor lws nodes 23:14:42 i know i couldnt get the android app to work for at least a few versions 23:15:40 DROID 23:20:40 @magrefa:pub.solar: To some extent, yes, but an argument could be made that fiat currencies are largely considered legitimate only because governments exercise force to keep them that way. 23:21:11 That's a bad way to word it, but the best I can come up with right now :D 23:37:08 @jpk68:matrix.org: I once seen an English bank note and it said 23:37:08 "I promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of [denomination] pounds." 23:37:08 so the "legal/legitimare" tender isn't even real - its a IOU for gold reserves and there isn't even enough gold for those IOU bank notes, apparent 23:37:53 apparently* 23:38:20 Yes, well, it's a scam regardless of whether or not the institution wants to admit it