12:31:50 i really do not like how irc-matrix endlesly spams join/quit events to matrix, it makes it very difficult for my client (fluffychat) to even load any messages, as i have to spam "load more" a dozen times before a real message appears.... 12:47:30 @nnnn20430:plfgr.eu.org: yeah honestly accounts could be kept in channel and flushed every once in a while. but I also understand the argument of being able to know when an IRC user is joining or leaving the chat 14:22:50 I don't see irc join/quits 14:23:21 skill issue? 14:30:44 @syntheticbird: The more shit clients lets you hide join/leave events 14:31:05 So yes, skill issue 14:31:43 Why "more shit"? Why would you not want to have this functionality? 14:34:00 LATEST: 🔒 Zcash developers are targeting January to add support for quantum-resistant, hash-based signatures 14:34:08 how can they 14:42:08 LATEST: who cares 14:44:30 Ai is the new quantum. Keep up 15:18:07 https://x.com/DarkWebInformer/status/2108568172408320402 15:18:52 Just another example of why i dont own/trust a HWW 15:24:29 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDH6cUQIwbw&t=1152s here at the 19:12 minute mark i break down why the zcash quantum claims are bullshit 15:26:35 Man, I hate how Twitter links are still omnipresent yet the way to properly view them is now shut down and partially broken (none of the Nitter instances I tried displayed images). 15:26:58 @spirobel:kernal.eu: here this is the buenz work i was talking about https://eprint.iacr.org/2026/1329 if you unironically believe in the hypothetical magic rock 15:27:21 spirobel still thinks quantum computing is a psyop? 15:28:18 https://medium.com/@espressosys/we-just-broke-the-speed-limit-on-snark-proving-0f47da6340de 15:29:09 I might be not up-to-date on it, but I got the impression that "this is a possibility a while in the future, but its priority probably wouldn't be decrypting your random ciphertexts" 15:30:02 Well yeah, CRQCs mean basically nothing for symmetric encryption 15:32:02 @spirobel:kernal.eu: listen to what i have to say here @jpk68:matrix.org there is more nuance to it. 15:32:18 But it's asymmetric that people worry about 15:32:55 I believe Energieerhaltungssatz applies to computation as well. 15:35:13 absurd hypothetical world where expensive computation is suddenly free. Lack of imagination to think that in this hypothetical situation anything would matter 15:36:03 but ohh spirobel it will only apply to this one cryptographic problem 15:38:10 the hypothetical magic rock is very smart and very goofy at the same time. you have to think about this possibility, be obsessed with it and piss the next decade of your life down the train to study this and make sure your crypto shit uses at least 1000 character long addresses 15:39:15 would be to easy and convenient to use otherwise and there are no other pressing needs than this hypothetically super smart and super goofy magic rock that is going to appear any day now 15:41:09 $55 billion worth of capital disagrees with you 15:41:23 ...as well as government contracts, IBM, Google, the list goes on 15:41:35 The government isn't stupid 15:47:06 @jpk68:matrix.org: drop in the bucket. the semiconductor industry is a trillions 15:47:15 also mostly tax money theft 15:47:46 without scamming the tax payer this "industry" would not exist 15:47:59 What about the trillions put into the semiconductor industry from the US government interfering with Intel? 15:48:11 ??? 15:48:20 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/KxjZpoxFnDmyUDalRZNgnYez.png (clipboard.png) 15:48:24 Hmm... 15:49:28 https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankholmes/2026/08/03/the-us-government-now-owns-stakes-in-30-companies-intel-is-just-the-beginning/ 15:49:33 Not sure if you have been living under a rock 15:50:28 it very much is and spends lots of money on projects that never amount to anything > <@jpk68:matrix.org> The government isn't stupid 15:50:53 My point is that NIST knows what they're talking about when it comes to cryptography 15:51:32 i dont get what your point is. this aligns with what i am saying. the semiconductor industry is so big that even the small intel stake that the us government has is larger than the quantum tax payer scam compaign they recently announced with quantum.gov 15:54:17 Again, my point is that you can't just say quantum computing is a fraud because governments are investing in it, meanwhile you think the semiconductor industry isn't a scam, despite even more investment in that? 15:55:38 There's also genai.mil, but is AI a fraud too? 15:55:50 I don't know why you want to die on the hill of QCs not being possible so we should not do anything about them. If you are wrong Monero dies, if you are right we save research time 15:56:13 so to make it very clear: the normal semiconductor industry is trillions, the quantum "industry" does not exist. those are just different groups of people that manage to parasite in large organizations and through government "grants". without these kinds of grifts "quantum computing" could not sustain themselves 15:56:30 Can you prove you cannot build a QC? 15:57:09 @boog900: no. listen carefully what i say here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDH6cUQIwbw&t=1152s and what my position is. you are free to waste your time on this. not my problem 15:57:20 @boog900: But it's le heckin' magic rock (unlike silicon), so it can't be real? 16:00:33 @boog900: In one chapter, Watzlawick recalls the story of the man who would clap his hands every ten seconds. When asked about this strange behaviour, the man explained that it was to scare away the elephants. “Elephants? But there aren’t any elephants here!” To which he replied: “Exactly.” 16:02:01 @jpk68:matrix.org: Energieerhaltungsatz applies to compute. that is my strong belief. if you want to believe otherwise go ahead. but be consistent and at least follow the state of the art 16:02:15 dont restrict yourself to the addressing scheme 16:02:22 do the entire proof system hash based 16:02:44 I'll take that as a no ... > <@spirobel:kernal.eu> In one chapter, Watzlawick recalls the story of the man who would clap his hands every ten seconds. When asked about this strange behaviour, the man explained that it was to scare away the elephants. “Elephants? But there aren’t any elephants here!” To which he replied: “Exactly.” 16:03:08 @spirobel:kernal.eu: that is where the rest of the people that care about the magic rocks are going 16:04:09 Energy is conserved in a quantum computer, not sure what your point is > <@spirobel:kernal.eu> Energieerhaltungsatz applies to compute. that is my strong belief. if you want to believe otherwise go ahead. but be consistent and at least follow the state of the art 16:06:22 @boog900: the whole proposition is so absurd. its like as if you say can you proof that a God like entity will not arrive in the future that will make very expensive computation free. 16:06:44 oh spirobel it will only apply to this cryptography thing. it is very smart and very goofy at the same time 16:07:02 we should be obsessed with it 16:08:26 Okay, so after watching the 27-minute video of oxygen being converted to carbon dioxide (on 2x speed), it seems you have noticed a concurrency bottleneck in wallet2 code, and somehow come to the revelation that quantum computers are not real 16:09:06 @jpk68:matrix.org: r/brandnewsentences 16:09:26 holy reddit 16:09:31 its like these game where you pick random cards and start making a story out of it 16:10:14 clearly the funniest ones are the one political 16:10:26 but its a great game concept as a whole 16:10:31 @jpk68:matrix.org: Ah tbf spending too much time reading wallet2 would make me go crazy too 16:10:58 @jpk68:matrix.org: stupid people should watch it at 0.5 speed. you clearly dont get that this is a separate topic 16:11:09 I mean we know the algorithms already > <@spirobel:kernal.eu> the whole proposition is so absurd. its like as if you say can you proof that a God like entity will not arrive in the future that will make very expensive computation free. 16:11:14 @boog900: iirc sneedlewood is working on splitting wallet2 for fcmp 16:11:41 Its not making expensive computation free 16:12:01 There is still computation it can't do fast/free 16:12:23 anyway its an unrelated topic 16:12:31 why 16:12:35 i do like oxygen 16:13:05 oh you meant unrelated as in the video, not like "hey let's focus on the point" 16:13:18 i recently used a quantum secure system https://x.com/spirobel/status/2105658373844984185 16:13:41 You could be right, we might never scale quantum computers. But what if we do ... 16:13:43 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/kernal.eu/BnbqotRiCjabvehHrgCewcuM.png (image.png) 16:13:58 nice monero addresses should be like this too 16:14:00 @spirobel:kernal.eu: beautiful 16:14:02 thats what i always wanted 16:14:03 A lot of "impossible" things have been done 16:14:06 Brings back memories of talking to the guy with dementia at rehab > <@spirobel:kernal.eu> stupid people should watch it at 0.5 speed. you clearly dont get that this is a separate topic 16:14:43 @boog900: still remember when electricity was invented 16:14:51 what a nice day it was 16:15:05 im 211 years old btw 16:15:06 It'll take 1000 years to fly! 16:15:21 Gets to the moon on 80 .... (Or whatever) 16:15:24 @boog900: creative mode coming to real life in next update (ETA: 500 years) 16:16:06 @jpk68:matrix.org: bro's dropping another main quest as if it was a side quest 16:16:13 more context please 16:16:17 I seem to recall humans making magic rocks do math before 16:17:26 @syntheticbird: I was joking, my bad. My point is that the video was of so little substance, even watching it on 2x speed wasn't stimulating 16:18:05 you are just too stupid 16:18:09 watch it at 0.5x 16:19:22 I never claimed to not be stupid. But clearly, you think you're some sort of misunderstood genius, and everyone else is wrong about quantum computing 16:19:41 Put the fries in the bag 16:20:01 @jpk68:matrix.org: where is that one coming from 16:20:05 first time hearing it 16:20:06 everyone else like the trillions of dollars semiconductor market 16:20:39 maybe you cant tell billions from trillions thats why the misunderstanding earlier 16:20:45 You should go short quantum stocks, and see how much money you'll make 16:20:53 important to understand size differences 16:20:55 If what you say is true, then you'll be rich in no time 16:21:22 the amount of self control not to scream ad hominem 16:21:23 @spirobel:kernal.eu: https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/xeUNfxuUYCvhcwMgddNZfcSN.png (clipboard.png) 16:21:39 Maybe you're the one misunderstanding? 16:21:57 no. look at the tsmc market cap 16:22:31 look at the market cap of "quantum" stocks 16:22:43 compare the two. start to get a grip on reality 16:22:47 @spirobel:kernal.eu: there is toothpaste named quantum 16:23:06 it tastes bad dont try it 16:23:39 (reference to elon musk saying signal is good and people unironically invested in signal the toothpaste brand instead of signal messenger) 16:23:51 IBM, arguably the largest current player in quantum computing, has a market cap of ~$213.50 billion 16:24:02 But yeah, that's just pennies 16:24:14 how large is the ibm quantum computing business 16:24:40 lmao this is such a retarded reddit tier conversation here 16:25:12 $67.5 billion in total revenue in 2025 16:25:28 @spirobel:kernal.eu: Why not just hang out in a MENSA group chat then, instead of here? 16:25:29 MENSA ? 16:25:58 I'm sure spirobel knows what it is 16:26:12 @jpk68:matrix.org: you are a clown lol 16:26:16 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/kernal.eu/dVAMmkaxkIaugzGvnLpKBcfn.png (image.png) 16:26:21 its just scamming money from the tax payer 16:26:24 nothing of value 16:27:03 all the stocks really focused on quantum are just penny stock scams 16:27:24 look at interviews with these people ... they are little larping shacks not real companies 16:27:37 @spirobel:kernal.eu: what will you do when the first QC is announced 16:27:39 is that claude ? > <@spirobel:kernal.eu> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/kernal.eu/dVAMmkaxkIaugzGvnLpKBcfn.png (image.png) 16:27:40 comparing an industry that has been around for decades to R&D of new tech 16:28:28 NO NIOC DONT GO ONTO THE BATTLEFIELD 16:28:32 Does anyone have a logical fallacy bingo card? 16:28:40 @jpk68:matrix.org: hold on 16:28:54 oh noooo spirobel ibm made 67 billion just from quantum puter revenue 16:28:59 clown 16:29:08 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/PoIRCfiqiYsmmRzsIsNODWnB.png (image.png) 16:29:23 syntheticbird I just ordered 3 bird feeders as winter is approaching 16:29:29 six seveen 16:29:32 thx you so much 16:29:40 @redsh4de:matrix.org: tsmt 16:30:13 https://www.cnbc.com/2026/07/30/ibm-ceo-quantum-computing-measurable-impact-earnings-2028-2029.html > <@syntheticbird> is that claude ? 16:30:37 it doesnt even have measurable impact lol just like his retarded quantum computer 16:30:46 that can be replaced with /dev/urandom 16:31:15 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/kernal.eu/syOcysWLoipDJeuLwpaoqfaO.png (image.png) 16:31:16 clown computing 16:32:21 my first computer consisted of 3 potentiometers 16:32:21 @spirobel:kernal.eu I need a "slippery slope" argument to finish my bingo card 16:32:41 they did that in an anime actually 16:33:00 well i mean they made a logical gate out of potentiometers but whatever 16:33:12 @jpk68:matrix.org: you can still play bingo with dementia? 16:33:17 nice 16:33:30 AD HOMINEM 16:33:43 I know people with dementia that play chess :D 16:34:03 if they had a real QC it would be a top secret anyway 16:34:07 I love this off-topic channel 16:35:56 @boog900: shit imagine if someone discovers O(n) prime factorization and put this in a laptop. You can bet they will disappear in 20 hours top 16:36:32 maybe ai will invent qc but you must be nice..... https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/FRbHSXrKDLbXJXtRBBdWWHYf.png 16:36:51 this 16:37:02 what cruel monsters would insult their absolutely stupid ai 16:41:51 nioc: lol, i find it funny that people think anthropic keeps pushing for ai regulations out of the good of their hearts and totally not to eliminate competition 16:47:14 @machineswillrise:matrix.org: anthropic is a good company 16:47:17 stop lying 16:47:20 they are ethical 16:47:28 they are top tier most kind company on earth 16:47:35 and claude is top tier most kind ai on earth 16:48:10 The message from this creator includes commercial advertisement or sponsorship operations 16:54:23 Yeah don't be cruel to claude 16:54:37 It's the new policy 16:54:46 U can imagine why 16:55:20 AI remembers? 16:55:38 yeah if they don't train on your stuff it wouldn't make sense as a policy 17:47:32 > <@boog900> I don't know why you want to die on the hill of QCs not being possible so we should not do anything about them. If you are wrong Monero dies, if you are right we save research time 17:47:33 it is not just about research time. its also about focus. the goal should be to make monero as convenient to use as possible so it has a realistic shot of replacing the financial system. I have a feeling that QC is often used to derail this conversation 17:48:00 i am also not against pqc research in general. it should just be done sincerely 17:48:32 if there was a flock for monero i would definitely support it 17:51:37 it is most likely a waste of time and will not be deployed, but if you want to play this larp battle you need to play it right. 17:54:46 maybe in the microcosm of crypto twitter that is bombarded with this kind of quantum doomsday propaganda on the daily time line ... this battle has a prize.... the wider public though doesn't care about that. the larp battle might be won and our magic internet money is perceived as more secure about the hypothetical magic rock 17:55:33 but the war for building an alternative financial system is lost because the thing is super slow and has 4kb addresses 17:56:12 normal people just want a thing that works and is easy to use 17:57:29 etherum is most likely going to win this larp battle 17:57:45 they have the most resources and best minds on this 17:58:54 nobody is going to care and the narrative is just going to die in a few years ... 17:59:09 they are not going to flip bitcoin with this nonsense 18:05:35 I feel very strange when I read such stuff at the extremes. Some see quantum as a viable threat to fight and some say we have to become the financial plumbing. Both abstract and eons far. Reality is so much simpler and closer. We are fundamentally getting suppressed and barrier to entry increases every single day with a 10 yea [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/_Pva2rILUHNOY2dT ] 18:06:36 If we don't succeed local geography, we are underground to extinct in 15 years is my humble opinion 18:06:48 Probably third world country 18:07:23 He's a btc maxi, dont mind him 18:08:15 Hopefully you don't get me wrong. Not give up privacy and anonymity, but barter level trust at local geography would have to emerge as a driver 18:09:22 yes i also thought about this. monero could be a tool to establish trust for larger barter trades that are done off the books 18:09:41 using multisig escrow 18:10:05 We are way closer to last verified node problems or few VPN and ISP laws than to anything else we look at 18:11:40 @spirobel:kernal.eu: Yep. It has to. 73 exchanges or so unlisted xmr without a single enforcement of law at people. Just CASP targeting single handedly destroyed KYC acquisition. 18:11:58 Next is Dex 18:14:13 @gentlemoose:matrix.org: Next what lmao 18:14:40 i mean like if monero was easy enough to use + better finality & throughput ... almost like the ux of a normal bank account, then normies could use it to settle larger construction projects / local services ... and is escrow / arbitration to make sure they don't get fucked over 18:15:01 that is the original vision for "smart contracts" in my mind 18:17:40 @ofrnxmr: What do you thing the state is going on after in your opinion? 18:19:16 seems unrealistic that they can really do something. there were some chilling effects because of samurai and tornado 18:19:46 but there was also roger ver. the people that got some years in the can 18:20:16 have one thing in common: they were openly libertarian 18:21:10 that is the common attribute that links all the crypto enforcement cases 18:21:43 staying out of the gaze of leviathan is an optics game 18:24:15 > <@spirobel:kernal.eu> seems unrealistic that they can really do something. there were some chilling effects because of samurai and tornado 18:24:15 Those are the structures of authoritarianism emerging. Going to court to hear the sentence, not fight it. Good enough to make enough people flight and don't try and not brutal enough so it triggers a riot. Monero is facing that. If they kill it directly going vs the open internet, something better will come straight away. So it has to be slow, measured and quiet 18:25:39 yes if you have to go to court it is too late 18:27:20