03:20:06 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> > <@jberman> tevador has clearly put in a lot of time to try to steelman the proposal as best as possible. I think the idea that has actually been explained thus far generally has atrocious UX. Apparently you have the perfect protocol in your brain that has no downsides and no one else understands it, and are launching ridiculous attacks to buttress your weak position
03:20:06 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> do you generally count the time being in meetings as part of your work hours? I think you should focus more on your own work instead of getting so emotional about this. This is not a productive use of your time. 
03:21:49 <br-m> <jberman> Yes, I'm paid to work full-time on Monero
03:22:54 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> focus on your task of getting fcmp out the door
03:23:11 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> this is not productive and not worth hundreds of dollars per hour
03:24:17 <br-m> <jberman> I try to help prevent shitty ideas from harming Monero. This is one of those shitty ideas from what I've seen so far
03:25:44 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> 1. you are unproductive 2. you are impolite 3. you charge the community hundreds of dollars per hour for this ranting behavior 4. fcmp is still not done.
03:26:28 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> just get back to work and dont stand in others peoples way. and try to be more considerate of others 
03:26:35 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> maybe the money got to your head 
03:27:01 <br-m> <jberman> I think my productivity has been fine. I've solved a ton of reliability issues in the daemon and helped implement solid code
03:27:34 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> fcmp is still not done and i can see the dollars flying as you debate with me here
03:27:36 <br-m> <jberman> I don't take kindly to threats. You specifically dm'd me a threat to "take me out"
03:27:38 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> get back to work
03:59:15 <br-m> <jberman> @jberman: Fwiw, I wasn't referring to my time here. I was referring to everyone's collective time wasted trying to debate your proposal that only you understand, that you won't clarify, while simultaneously attacking the general direction MRL is heading. Not a force for productivity
04:01:08 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> @jberman: unlike you i dont get paid hourly for having this debate. That is what I mentioned in the dm. I can not afford to get dragged into this debate right now and do endless unpaid work. Your behavior is just toxic
04:02:06 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> just focus on your work
04:02:12 <br-m> <jberman> You could've saved an incredible amount of many people's time and effort if instead of going on rants to twitter, you just clarified a spec
04:02:30 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> no need to make everyone obey the committee and your thoughts dear leader who gets paid hourly to have this debate
04:03:17 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> i say what ever the fuck i want on twitter. you could have saved everyone a lot of time if you dont kept pushing this issue
04:03:18 <br-m> <jberman> You claim to have good ideas that could benefit Monero. And instead of sharing them, you're doing whatever this is
04:03:21 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> focus on your work
04:03:27 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> and read clearly what i have to say
04:04:13 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> i dont have time to debate endlessly with people that get paid "hourly on monero" and can do this forever while i will go broke
04:04:14 <br-m> <jberman> Don't threaten me.
04:04:40 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> i didnt threaten you. i said i can not afford to do this. i dont get paid hourly
04:04:48 <br-m> <jberman> You don't have to debate endlessly
04:04:52 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> what the fuck is your problem. get back to work and stop this shit 
04:05:19 <br-m> <jberman> You explictly threatened to take me out
04:05:37 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> bullshit
04:06:49 <br-m> <jberman> "I can end you if I wanted" fuck off
04:07:00 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> ???
04:07:39 <br-m> <jberman> Your DM to me. Like you ended Amir
04:08:36 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> maybe we can just clear this up in private instead of shitting up this chat room. I said i can not write the draft right now because i dont get paid hourly. so i dont have the time to do endless debates with people that "get paid full time to work on monero" and consider meetings part of their working hours 
04:09:46 <br-m> <jberman> If your draft is good, I'll pay you my hourly rate for however long it took to write it
04:10:24 <br-m> <spirobel:kernal.eu> sounds like a deal 👍️
05:54:46 <br-m> <rbrunner7> I hope we can all continue to work together on a common goal, to have this room as a place for on-topic, level-headed and productive discussion about Monero technology. I see the discussion here over the last few hours as not being that, and I hope it stays an exception.