Hanlon's razor I suppose. No offense intended.

TIL 'Hanlon's razor'

<msvb-mob> "pigeons: Is there a problem with..." <- It is still bridged to freenode; only you or Juju can remove the freenode bridge

Per the steps I outlined 2 months ago on there

In other news -_- twitter.com/BittrexGlobal/status/1432791839518740481

oh lol

I can't even...

dEBRUYNE: makes no sense

Has there been any consideration for getting a Monero presence on the Fediverse? The user base of the Fediverse seems very compatible with Monero and it doesn't look like anyone has tried to connect with it (my searches there return essentially nothing). I'm considering setting up a Pleroma instance for Monero to post news and host discussion. If it hasn't been done I was thinking I'd take a swing at it this weekend. Thoughts?

<selsta> "dEBRUYNE: makes no sense" <- Why did they de-list ZEC in the first place?

They delisted some privacy coins without any reasoning.

now they relist ZEC for whatever reason

even when they delisted privacy coins on Jan 3rd (IIRC), they still left some Monero forks there

the main theory is they had a specific kill list from their bank

so does it mean ZEC is officially not a privacy coin?

no, they probably paid them or so

that whole situation blew out of proportion in January. Bittrex was less than 1% of Monero volume, it's literally irrelevant

also ZEC is barely a privacy coin, aren't like 99% transactions transparent

it resulted in a huge price dump for whatever reason

panic sell

<spackle[m]> "Has there been any consideration..." <- Being worked on by myself under the Monero Space workgroup w/ relatively expensive Switzerland based VPS and S3 storage that I get punished for every month that it's not actually online by paying for it. I've been tempted to move to Infomaniak (also Switzerland based), but they still don't have S3 services set up despite it being on their 2021 roadmap. I own the @monero on

mastodon . social and .technology and can just set it up to mirror w/ a special bot on the bot VPS we already have on Monday when I'm back from a wedding and have the day off

s/Being worked on by myself under the Monero Space workgroup w/ relatively expensive Switzerland based VPS and S3 storage that I get punished for every month that it's not actually online by paying for it. I've been tempted to move to Infomaniak (also Switzerland based), but they still don't have S3 services set up despite it being on their 2021 roadmap. I own the @monero on mastodon . social and .technology and can just set it up to

mirror w/ a special bot on the bot VPS we already have on Monday when I'm back from a wedding and have the day off/Being worked on by myself under the Monero Space workgroup w/ relatively expensive Switzerland based VPS and S3 storage that I get punished for every month that the instance is not actually online by paying for it. I've been tempted to move to Infomaniak (also Switzerland based), but they still don't have S3 services set

up despite it being on their 2021 roadmap. I own the @monero on mastodon . social and .technology and can just set it up to mirror w/ a special bot on the bot VPS we already have on Monday when I'm back from a wedding and have the day off/

s/Being worked on by myself under the Monero Space workgroup w/ relatively expensive Switzerland based VPS and S3 storage that I get punished for every month that it's not actually online by paying for it. I've been tempted to move to Infomaniak (also Switzerland based), but they still don't have S3 services set up despite it being on their 2021 roadmap. I own the @monero on mastodon . social and .technology and can just set it up to

mirror w/ a special bot on the bot VPS we already have on Monday when I'm back from a wedding and have the day off/Being worked on by myself under the Monero Space workgroup w/ relatively expensive Switzerland based VPS and S3 storage that I get punished for every month that the instance is not actually online by paying for it. I've been tempted to move to Infomaniak (also Switzerland based), but they still don't have S3 services set

up despite it being on their 2021 roadmap. I own the @monero on mastodon . social and .technology and can just set it up to mirror @monero on Twitter w/ a special bot on the bot VPS we already have on Monday when I'm back from a wedding and have the day off/

As a sidenote, also just this week have been trying to establish an 'official', more active presence elsewhere in the fediverse on Lemmy(.ml)

Monero already existed, so created XMRtrader and PM'd the reddit mods to see if they'd like to mod on Lemmy. So far, no bites

* on Lemmy(.ml) Edit: Lemmy is a fediverse Reddit for context

Well alright! Sounds like you have it covered. I'm not involved with Lemmy, but I'll try to get up to speed and I'll keep my eyes out for the other items you mentioned.

xmrscott[m]: Before I look for IRC bridging information in other places, do you remember in which place you explained the steps to unbridge hardware? Was it #monero-hardware on Freenode?

Yep, in June. Can repost it if you don't have scrollback

Your Matrix account is needed anyways though and should see it

I have logs of -hardware from since 21 June where I didn't find it. Yes, that would be very nice of you to repost the steps. I'm kind of lost to unbridge, can't remember what I did.

So this is not about a Mattermost bridge, it is Matrix that I need to unbridge right?

Oh derp. Mattermost got killed since no one used it and bridge was shaky

It was a very good effort in any case to work on Mattermost. Oh well.

But Matrix should still be unbridged to freenode given freenode is a hostile actor to the FOSS community at this point

I'll repost the steps to unbridge freenode there momentarily

Thank you.

I found your comments now, they were not on IRC but rather Matrix itself I think?

I made you xmrscott[m] admin on the Matrix channel, so we can both try to carry out the steps. We will have a race to see who can unlink faster.

Without joking, I'm not seeing the 'Share Room' link you mention, which I don't understand.

msvb-mob: Can you de-admin that one and Admin the one w/ the icon? The one you admin'd is my matrix . org backup

Yes.

The only one who can deadmin you is yourself, after you become an admin. That's my interpretation of the Matrix rules, and it seems I can't deadmin you.

It seems you did it, Freenode users are dropping like flies

Yeah, I'll do it in a moment, currently working through Address error codes

Its fine to remain admin of the channel I think, it's your choice.

pigeons: When you have a chance can you flush / purge monero-hardware:monero.social ? I can't add it as an address because it's already claimed by a historical room

msvb-mob: Your msvb-web needs to approve the bridge to libera now

They should have been PM'd by the bridge bot

Thanks, let me see. I can see these things in Element right?

No, -web is presumably on Libera, not Element

Yes, that's true. Let me look on my IRC application then.

Actually by deduction it has to be Libera / IRC based because it has ops and is presently on the irc channel which isn't bridged yet

This is quite a headache, because I have two different Matrix accounts using two homeservers (a mistake.)

And multiple chat applications with protocol native accounts logged into bridged channels, oh my.

For those in the audience following along, -hardware is now among the 'bridged-to-Libera' list. Still need to straighten out the the addr issue w/ pige, but at least primary functions are in order

msvb-mob: Yes, my best practice is have three accounts: Libera for backup and for handshaking bridge, and two matrix (one monero.social as primary, matrix.org as backup in case social gets DDoS'd). Only ever touch my monero.social on Matrix clients which keeps it simple

Once my monero.social has ops I usually just /part the Libera one to prevent confusion on who to PM, etc

Off topic, but in case someone can confirm that the monero.social Matrix homeserver only has access to the uesr accounts locally managed. Matrix homeservers like monero.social cannot share account information right?

It seems according to xmrscott[m]'s advice that having two accounts (one on matrix.org and another on monero.social) is not a bad idea at all.

Correct. Messages are locally encrypted on Matrix. No other Matrix server can access your PM's, etc

Basically the easiest way to think of Matrix accounts is as an email provider. Yahoo can't access ProtonMail user password hashs+salt, messages, contacts

That's a good analogy xmrscott[m].

DaveyJones: likely fake. twitter.com/cryptogrampy/status/1432859290033917960?s=21

what is the most efficient way to get usdc to xmr?

Inspiral, transfer usdc to kraken, convert usdc to usd/btc, buy monero

is kraken kyc?

yes

even though I think they offer a no kyc option for crypto only withdrawals

so you dont want the most efficient way, you want something kycless

an instant exchange like sideshift.ai is probably the fastest then

maximum on sideshift appears to be 2k usdc

I have 20k haha

I think I will swap it into eth and then send that to tradeogre and swap that way

what a fucking ballache

tradeogre only has btc pairs

so if you go the eth route you pay more fees

I'm trapped on the eth blockchain with my usdc though

Inspiral: There is information on getmonero.org/community/merchants/#exchanges

...which may help, but you have probably already looked there.

<Inspiral> "is kraken kyc?" <- you can withdraw your BTC from kraken and use atomic swaps to get into Monero.

No KYC, no nothing.

What is the function of this derpy_bridge ? Is this a bot? If so, where is it bridging our messages?

heh

I'm on irc, Libera chat.

I'm guessing you are on Matrix?

Inge: I am on matrix, yes.

mechanic41turk: derpy is a discord bridge iirc

interesting.

I don't recall ever seeing any discord accounts messages here.

Might be read only

> what is the most efficient way to get usdc to xmr?

Try FixedFloat.com or Flyp.me. Both are KYC-free and have low fees. Don't use KYC exchanges, even if they have "under $xxxx no KYC" limits, they can still arbitrarily demand KYC and seize your funds.

Tbf, KYC-free exchanges could still do that if they wanted to if they are custodial for even 1 second

FixedFloat has never asked for KYC and I have used it for many months. But it's true that atomic swaps are better and will be the preferable option when they are out of beta.

Atomic swaps are useable.

They are usable and working, but difficult for non-technical users and still have some bugs/need some troubleshooting. But hopefully there will be easy-to-use integrations soon.

I don't think it's difficult for non-techies, at all.

The command is just a one-liner

v0.17.2.3 is now available at getmonero.org

Does MyMonero not support subaddresses?

Sending to subaddresses yes, generating no currently

selsta: Sad story on the latter.. any reason why that is? just a lot more complexity?

not sure

Yes mechanic41turk[m], Seth did a great job testing and explaining atomic swaps. He's a good writer.

Thanks binaryFate for the nice release and annoucement.

Has anyone tested the recent Paypal cryptocurrency capitulation scheme?

I keep getting invitations to 'lets buy some crypto' stupid from Paypal, so I assume they're totally corrupt in their method. Probably not worth paying attention, or am I wrong?

<mechanic41turk[m> "sethforprivacy.com..." <- They just release 0.8.2 that fixes a large number of the biggest issues as well.

* They just released 0.8.2 that fixes a large number of the biggest issues as well.

Seth: are you areound to take care of reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/pfz9lj/whats_new_in_haveno_some_updates ?

i thought that account was whitlisted

i already spreaded it everywhere -_-

ErCiccione: or any other reddit mod around.

dEBRUYNE: ^

Seems sethsimmons is here, that's good. How did you feel while testing swaps on the Comit network? Wouldn't it be better to put the logic in the default wallet and avoid jumping around services on websites?

I'm not sure what using a third party service adds, if the feature is part of the protocol to begin with.

WOW :

"Police capture Mario Gomez, critic of bitcoin, and accuse him of financial fraud" In El Salvador

Info passed on from Marc Falzon on the BCH side

<ErCiccione> "Seth: are you areound to take..." <- Will approve, just have to get my laptop out

Approved

thanks

<msvb-lab> "Seems Seth is here, that's good...." <- I recommend using the base tools, but unstoppableswap.net is a good simplification for now.

Long term of course it needs to be in wallets natively, so hopefully that comes sooner rather than later!

That's a great sounding future.

Fully anonymous btc transactions through atomic swaps

> <@sethsimmons:monero.social> I recommend using the base tools, but unstoppableswap.net is a good simplification for now.

>

> Long term of course it needs to be in wallets natively, so hopefully that comes sooner rather than later!

that looks super clean, is there a monero > btc similar one?

anhdres[m]: No, because that direction only allows makers ATM, so you have to wait for a taker.

sethsimmons: got it

<selsta> "Sending to subaddresses yes..." <- twitter.com/devin_pearson/status/1433142222145396742?s=20

Looks like mymonero is going to be adding subaddresses in the next couple months.

nice :)

monero.observer

repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/248

haven't seen this discussed, but i like it

sent feedback as well

There seems to be no meeting scheduled here