<basses:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: > Last month, the Proxy Store announced that they would stop selling Proton vouchers, because Proton had not responded to any of their requests after 5 months of attempts This was not the first time this happened. The news was also reported here on PG. When I inquired the Proxy Store about it, they said th [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/172gkvoKQ2Jlbk4y ]

<basses:matrix.org> discuss.privacyguides.net/t/proton-…ents-lets-demand-that-they-do/37094

<lordx3nu:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: wow, lots of info in here

<lordx3nu:matrix.org> @berry.stiller-2w:matrix.org: they don't even advertise this on their website for payment options.

<lordx3nu:matrix.org> Tuta does something similar...i think they use the same site...but they actually advertise monero all the time on social media. so it is a workaround but it's actively stocked and it works well enough

<lordx3nu:matrix.org> ideally it would be set up so when you are selecting your payment options you would see, for example, credit card | monero | | bitcoin and you would select one and just pay directly. there's no reason they can't implement something like this if they actually wanted to do this.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @lordx3nu:matrix.org: Tuta advertises on their site

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> tuta.com/support/payment#cryptocurrency

<lordx3nu:matrix.org> yeah exactly. proton doesn't even mention monero. they never once tweeted or posted on social media about the reseller. their completion of it was marking a support ticket as completed lol

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Privacy service <- one that doesn't even like you using a local client with your own encryption, yeah

The haveno-fork with the lowest fees and minimums, the fastest support and the most unbiased arbitration!

As darkfi does not yet have real life usage (and may never have after Amir Takii turned out to be a mossad asset via Epstein-files), the next best thing is monero (XMR), which you can buy/sell/trade on a DEX , P2P, nokyc, multisig escrow, very low fees, very low minimums: dawnswap.com

PS: a new version has been released (1.2.3) with even lower fees (maker 0% - taker 0.4%)

<plowsof:matrix.org> cc monerobull 😅

<monerobull:matrix.org> He forgot to put his spam in community, amateur

<plowsof:matrix.org> anyone heard of [my site]? / this looks awesome [my site]?

<berry.stiller-2w:matrix.org> youtu.be/_QdBAa6N3C8?si=FkZqhHGKv5MZAIwE

<berry.stiller-2w:matrix.org> Never heard of Trocador. I had a look after you mentioned. Good find > <@ravfx:xmr.mx> Well, it's some kind of proxy routing.

<gan:skhron.org> I love trackers in my links personally!

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> > <@lordx3nu:matrix.org> ideally it would be set up so when you are selecting your payment options you would see, for example, credit card | monero | | bitcoin and you would select one and just pay directly. there's no reason they can't implement something like this if they actually wanted to do this.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> Could this be related to legal bullshit ? I remember KDE can't accept crypto donations or something in Germany because of some bullshit paw about nonprofits and crypto assets..

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> Tuta does feel like they'd want to accept Monero for example, but their hands may be tied, hence the workaround.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> Now that I think about it more, I fully support this concept of pointing fingers at these supposed "privacy a friendly" service that pretend to be as such yet don't accept the actual privacy currency.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> I think we should continue to drive home the idea that Monero is an extension of cypherpunk and pro-privacy projects, it should become in everyone's mental image when they think of privacy tools, they'd picture Monero right next to the Tor network, Linux, PGP, Signal Protocol etc.

<gan:skhron.org> @pyratevevo:matrix.org: I mean, what if tuta.com/blog/tutanota-not-a-honeypot 🧌

funny that ppl cant trust anyone, anymore....

even if you built a nice services, one post/sentence is enough to force your company to statements like that

It is practically impossible to live fully without SOME level of trust tho. You're unlikely to be able to audit every single piece of software you use.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> @gan:skhron.org: I don't follow.

<pyratevevo:matrix.org> We don't actually take random people's words on what is and what is a honeypot without evidence, yes ?

<gan:skhron.org> @pyratevevo:matrix.org: Troll emote kinda implies the intend of the message