Potential licensing issue with the atomic swaps and I just want to raise it here since there's the open proposal repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…roposals/-/merge_requests/277/diffs

Do you need this to be BSD-3 or is GPL or LGPL okay?

GPL/LGPL are copyleft licenses

this is the current atomic swap license (GPL): github.com/noot/atomic-swap/blob/master/LICENSE

anyone willing to test the farcaster node on testnet/stagenet? farcaster.dev has some open offers

instructions to get the node going: github.com/farcaster-project/farcaster-node#build-and-run

<zkao> "anyone willing to test the..." <- I'll try it, been trying out the farcaster node a bit. just to confirm, the offers are for testnet not stagenet? do you have a testnet endpoint available? (haven't synced testnet yet, just stagenet)

elizabeth[m]: melo.tools/nodes.html

perfect, thanks

bitcoin testnet3 and monero stagenet

elizabeth[m]: use the default nodes

r/dnm is dumb

What is the reason you sgp_ don't like the BSD-3? I don't understand the problem regarding atomic swap.

msvb-web: it's the other way around

The code is GPL

can Monero use GPL code? Is that the question?

I see, netrik. The proposed license for the ETH atomic swap code is GPL.

It's not AGPL and we're not discussing integrating it into monerod. While I don't like GPL and think it should be LGPL at the least, preferably BSD-3/MIT, it's not unusable on that basis alone of course

Hello

luigi1112: yes, Monero itself could use GPL code in theory. But a company couldn't take those GPL components and use those behind closed doors

LMDB was going to switch to the sleepycat license but the monero project said we would not use code in monero core with that license

there's nothing preventing MAGIC from being able to fund a project released under the GPL, but I want to make sure everyone understands what this means. From my perspective, I'm not a huge fan of copyleft licenses, and I would prefer even the LGPL over the GPL

some people like to force their code to only be used in free software however, and for that the GPL is a good choice

maybe something like MIT for everyone except people that work for the government/the government

and chainalysis companies

just to send a message

lol, the "anyone but the NSA license" 😂

yeah something like this. I know its kinda cringe. but still

show them the bird lol

Doesn't eslint do something like that?

would publishing the Ethereum atomic swaps under GPL prevent a company from using the code to swap using a proprietary trading engine?

I'm worried the answer could be yes

<sgp_> some people like to force their code to only be used in free software however, and for that the GPL is a good choice

you do can redistribute software licensed under GPL and not only that, but also profit off of it. no clause in GPLv(x) derivatives hinders anyone from doing such.

It has happened in the past. As long as the fork gives proper credit to author and keeps the license alive, it is doable.

you are forcing it, but you can redistribute and sell it as well. just a note. not implying you were saying that wasn't possible per se.

wasn't the ethos of Monero very copyleft, FOSS leaning? What is wrong with preventing proprietary trading engines to use a component of the XMR stack?

me no comprendo.

<sgp_> "lol, the "anyone but the NSA..." <- en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLUC

Not exactly that, but close

<rottenstonks> wasn't the ethos of Monero very copyleft <= I don't think so

luigi1111w: hm, how come?

do elaborate.

why doesn't Monero have a copyleft license if so?

you tell me. you are core team, not me.

there have been some voices in support in the past

but not in general or enough to change the license

Field-of-Endeavor discrimination is definitely a thing with consequences for "Anyone but" licenses en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Crockford#%22Good,_not_Evil%22 softwareengineering.stackexchange.c…the-no-evil-license-to-make-it-free that kind of thing can't be included in many community-driven GNU/Linux distributions/software repositories. Significantly, Debian. I understand the

decision(made by both parties) in theory but have my doubts in practice.

right. what license is it published under at the moment?

broad support and adoption under as many usecases as possible I think is one justification

bsd-3

ah, based bsd-3.

bsd licenses are neat-o. arguably 'freer' than gpl derivatives.

wouldn't change then. fsf and gpl licenses involve a lot of neckbeardism and politicis.

I do agree with sgp_ message above (mentioning MAGIC)

pardon my french.

MIT and Apache are good too.

at least through my lens and experience.

yep I like MIT

there are others with different opinions ofc, don't wanna promote that everyone supports permissive licenses

software licenses... lots of fun and zero drama. yipee.

I personally like MIT and BSD-3. I think "the freedom to use the software for any purpose," should include the ability to use the software and not make it open source personally

But that said, I see why someone would want to require FOSS derivative works

the risks of someone making a proprietary atomic swap implementation are super low anyway. Who would trust a proprietary atomic swap implementation? LOL

A lot of people trust proprietary exchanges and wallets so I imagine theres going to be people who would trust a proprietary atomic swap implementation

sgp_> would publishing the Ethereum atomic swaps under GPL prevent a company from using the code to swap using a proprietary trading engine?

this more interesting than a public release

on the MAGIC side, I'm going to push for at least LGPL. Obviously I prefer MIT/BSD-3 but at least the LGPL is easier to work with in more cases

<luigi1111w> "this more interesting than a..." <- what do you mean?

um

you said "who would trust a proprietary..." and that's fair

for private implementation I think it's fine to support (ie, not prevent)

maybe I'm confused

> maybe something like MIT for everyone except people that work for the government/the government

bipcot.org - Free use for everyone, apart from the state. :)

<Nik Tuna God> hey guys, is anyone else using <xmrwallet.com> and having a synchronization issue?

bridgerton[m]: I've never even heard of that..

I would be wary of using that wallet as it's not recommended on getmonero.org or r/Monero.

If you need a similar lightwallet experience try MyMonero or Edge wallet.

bridgerton[m] sethsimmons: The website has a footnote with copyright 2018-2021, so something on the domain you mentioned is not new at all. I have not used it either however, and hopefully it's a good wallet.

Its a "Fully client-side web Monero wallet" 🤔

Github is out of date (last update 3~ years ago) github.com/XMRWallet/Website

Just use the GUI / feather wallet if you need a "fully-client" side wallet 😅

<Nik Tuna God> so what about my money that's in there?

bridgerton[m]: Do you have the seed phrase from creating it?

If so just restore it in another wallet and move the funds to a new wallet/seed.

for what its worth , xmrwallet have a support email at support⊙xc

<plowsof[m]> "Github is out of date (last..." <- So.... your chosen wallet is one in which you download its executable code (which you cannot verify) from an untrusted third party every time you want to transact?

msvb-lab: i am genuinely interested in hearing updates about the Kastelo project (i really assumed it was dead / buried) is there a place on the internet where you have explained whats going on with it? e.g. you have problems with manufacturing contracts etc? It would help clear the air a lot - im sure everyone here can't wait for it to be available, and the next time someone excited person asks about it we can link them to a page

where they can be informed on the status of the project, Thanks!

plowsof[m]: The status reports were lost, or at least all but one of them.

The current information regards tooling at the mold which is subcontracted to people who refuse to report outside of email, and I usually don't understand it. Sliders, lifts, cavities, arm buffers, screw links, and drafts. For example. Do you feel better now that you know some of the progress? Anyway, today we tested the T3 results (we shot PC and ABS mixed together for the first time at the right temperature.) I

requested to skip T5, but will let the materials subcontractors finally decide.

By the way, all of this belongs on #monero-hardware. If you pay attention there you hear me inform of HDPE and LDPE wall thicknesses, and other such reporting.

No plowsof[m], we don't have problems with the manufacturing contracts. A lot of printing is happening at the moment, with long contracts with contractors that have performed well in the past.

The only new contracting is from specialised groups that can print on polyethylene (PE) because we'll use that more. Almost nobody can print on PE so let's cross the fingers and hope there are no problems like you mention (contract says they can do it but they don't know until they try and fail, or something.)

hasn't there been a ton of support threads where people were getting funds stolen after using xmrwallet.com?

i don't want to start calling out services where it's not warranted, but I'm fairly certain xmrwallet.com falls squarely in the "DO NOT TRUST" bucket

"Do you feel better now that you know some of the progress?" Yes! msvb-lab all of this 'behind the scenes' information is great, shows the project is alive and kicking. I would have loved to seen a post somewhere about the T3 results today, even if it was just a mundane picture of someone watching paint / ABS plastic set. If you had a little blog even or if its all in #monero-hardware already then i was not aware of that channel (i

will join it now / point others to it when the question comes up again)

I'm surprised you feel better plowsof[m] but it was an honest question, good for me too if it helps.

A picture of the T1 to T3 progression is available on #monero-hardware if you like.

Im going to take a guess here and assume that alot of people in this community would be surprised that kastelo is actively being worked on, i hope these little updates are posted somewhere with visibility e.g. reddit / social media ( im thinking about how Raspberry Pi handled marketing in the beginning - updates about shipment orders / deals with contractors - supply chain issues , pictures of real humans interacting with an early

test version... and we got to know the 'team' behind it)

we did it

coinmarketcap is going apeshit

atomfried[m]: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

i am sorry, you missed the peak, stay poor

Wow mass adoption

Just solded the top

coinmarket is drunk

<atomfried[m]> "coinmarketcap is going apeshit" <- How?

what am i looking at-

crypto_grampy Explanation?

When it goes back up, we'll find out that everyone who was mining Bitcoin sold their equipment to go mine Monero

/s

Hope no one is using CoinMarketCap's API for automated transactions or payment gateways...

This is definitely not the first time that CMC has displayed completely incorrect information.

anarkiocrypto[m]: Nordvpn was using something i can only assume takes the average price from different sources

I nearly got a 2 year plan for 3 cents

Binance paid millions of dollars for it I think.

Are you kidding?

They'll probably cancel the plan

No, gave me FIFO error or something like that but the prices were that low for all coins

And after refreshing it was back to 0.3xmr

Interestingly enough, a few minutes later it was .5 xmr

Imagine withdrawing cash from a Bitcoin ATM at these "prices"...

<monerobull[m]> "Nordvpn was using something i..." <- That's why you take the median and not the mean. The median is insensitive to large outliers. That's basic statistics NordVPN -- get it together!

<ian.niculescu> Just been a Trillionaire, feeling like the fed

sgp_: Replying to an old message about a proprietary trading engine using GPL code. If it only talks over some form of IPC, it's not an issue. Even if directly integrated, the only obligation is to make the code available to customers, not to the public as a whole, upon request. While I'm not endorsing the GPL here, it shouldn't bar corporate adoption. It would bar integration into another project which wasn't also GPL though, which

would be my concern.

I asked for LGPL, we'll see what Elizabeth says