<plowsof[m]> "ok i cheated and selsta told..." <- git.wownero.com/wownero/wownero/com….10.1.0...release-v0.10.0.3#diff-42, it was merged only in v0.10.0.3, and the next release v0.10.1.0 / master doesn't even contain

<selsta> "it's merged to master but i didn..." <- git.wownero.com/wownero/wownero/com…7d135042b4e5f201ab4731a21d6baca42b0, master was rebased probably or that gui is lying

dsc_: do you know?

Could be possible that 7760 was merged to master instead of the dev branch, and was forgotten during the upgrade 🙃

It is WOWnero afterall

<Rucknium[m]> "Artificial generation of..." <- It will become useless with changes in users behaviour or during active attack, in the best case it's just statistical analysis for presentation, not a way to fix it

<Rucknium[m]> "You must match real user..." <- privacy model should consider as much degrees of freedom as possible and cover all of them with cryptography; it's impossible to hide something with tool that is based on precise statistical analysis of it

<Rucknium[m]> "The statistical issues with ring..." <- complex is simpler word, than multifaceted

* of freedom for users behaviour as possible

<MajesticBank> "For me any kind of work around..." <- it's impossible to break wall without focus in one spot

Ring signatures are not ideal. That's why I list "Private, untraceable transactions without ring signatures, but with acceptable tradeoffs" as a 10/10 impact 10/10 difficulty research question here:

Until we can figure that out, we are going to have to use statistics to camouflage user behavior under the ring signature model.

> <@rucknium:monero.social> Ring signatures are not ideal. That's why I list "Private, untraceable transactions without ring signatures, but with acceptable tradeoffs" as a 10/10 impact 10/10 difficulty research question here:

> monero-project/research-lab #94

that list looks like a trash, absolutely useless in practice

Feel free to offer suggestions to change it. You could even make your own list as a separate issue on the GitHub repo

As I say there, "This list is a work in progress. Please give feedback below, including additional questions that should be added."

Rucknium[m]: There is no value in any list from people that don't understand listed items

ooo123ooo1234567: Time to offer your alternative. Or can you?

<Rucknium[m]> "ooo123ooo1234567: Time to..." <- I don't waste time on useless public lists of lists of lists

Criticism without a solution, as usual

<Rucknium[m]> "Criticism without a solution, as..." <- not so fast

<Rucknium[m]> "Criticism without a solution, as..." <- Verification of solutions of others requires only criticism, are you still going to develop DSA in private ?

Some of the development is occurring in private. Whether to make everything public and when will mostly be a decision of the Monero Core Team. I tried to send you a draft but you didn't accept my Matrix DM.

<sgp_[m]> "It ***CAN*** feel like a radical..." <- we should focus more on hiring people from Afghanistan and other place where people REALLY need opportunities to do remote work. Westerners can just get normal jobs if they want to and it will be hard to convince them even with KYC and paper work and everything. Because the average person is scared of Monero because of all the garbage reporting. We need to have an outcome

independent mindset and instead of bending over backwards to get normies into the space we should look elsewhere. More cost efficient, good for PR and higher likelihood of success per monero invested.

I recently saw some one in a selflearning dev groups from nepal who said he got a job now that pays 150 dollars a month ( full time)

for sure some are just beginners, but they are more hungry to learn and do good work.

Its not rocket science to build react front ends and do other work. For sure sometimes specialists are needed and they will be more expensive. But for the bread and butter stuff we can give people a chance that are not yet established

spirobel[m]: How is it related to monero development ?

ooo123ooo1234567: ??? how is it not related ???

<spirobel[m]> "I recently saw some one in a..." <- "self-learning" does it include ability to read code before asking questions or making pull requests ?

>I recently saw some one in a selflearning dev groups from nepal who said he got a job now that pays 150 dollars a month ( full time)

Would he be willing to take a pay-cut to come work for Monero?

<spirobel[m]> "we should focus more on hiring..." <- focus should be firstly on project goals, not on some people in some country

ooo123ooo1234567: I dont think that we can introduce more strangers to the monero monorepo anyway. ( it is bottlenecked by lack of reviewers not coders)

spirobel[m]: coders aren't reviewers ?

sign them up for the CCS. let them know that this thing is going straight to ZERO. the faster they finish, the more inflation resistant fiat they'll be able to redeem their tokens for

i'm going to be able to buy 3 days worth of my prescription diapers by the time i finish my ccs

ooo123ooo1234567: listen: you are always going to attract a certain kind of people by the way you communicate. For example the Magic grants website will attract US students and no one else. The ccs will attract masochists that will work for nothing, wait for every payout and enjoy getting insulted by random strangers in the gitlab that have no stakes in the game.

gitcoin is also not perfect but it is at least better than this.

we should copy the good parts

spirobel[m]: Any example with masochists attracted by CCS ?

<spirobel[m]> "we should focus more on hiring..." <- "all the garbage reporting" any example ?

ooo123ooo1234567: recent article about binanace and privacy coins. the nazi incel drug money article a while ago... do you live under a rock?

<spirobel[m]> "we should focus more on hiring..." <- "We need to have an outcome independent mindset" outcome independent == not result oriented ? why is it needed ?

spirobel[m]: link ?

ooo123ooo1234567: if you see that a certain approach does not work you need to switch...and try something else

ooo123 you like competition, you're a chad bounty hunter who declares victory over the losers who wasted their time with pathetic attempts , i am a virgin 'contracted' wagie who like to take his time, and meditate about problems

ooo123ooo1234567: google it yourself or go to the monero reddit

spirobel[m]: too vague description, link ?

just google monero binance

finds this

also ask any normie about monero

if they know they will talk in a hushed voice

i-isnt t-that illegal? b-but its used for ransomware, right?

thats why we need to look elsewhere... side effect of this "pivot" -> it will change the narrative from " nazi incel drug money" to "afghan women freedom money"

which means normies will be more likely to participate too

but I dont care about that. They can stay away

spirobel[m]: convenient and competitive technology is being used independently on narrative in mass media

ooo123ooo1234567: what is your opinion on javascript?

<ooo123ooo1234567> "convenient and competitive..." <- not until it is outlawed. Take for example guns: German guns are great technology. Still most Germans dont own one. Because the German mass media tells people everyday that guns are dangerous and it is great that the average citizen cant own one. Public opinion and mass media matters. like it or not.

<spirobel[m]> "not until it is outlawed. Take..." <- appropriate comparison would be open source powerful guns, do you know any examples ?

* open source convenient and powerful guns,

ooo123ooo1234567: napster. Filesharing got basically outlawed in Germany. Read about the pirate party in Germany and the tendency by the "copyright mafia" aka big record labels etc. abused the legal system to restrict the usage of this technology. The same will happen to monero

if we dont do something about it. This whole take about: its open source so it is unstoppable and what the laws say and the media does not matter is so naive.

It makes me aggressive to see adults talk like this. Its such a childish way to look at the world.

the man who cancels everyone opposing his CCS proposal talking about adults acting like childs. you are some special bird, dear spirobel[m]. =)

"It makes me aggressive to see adults talk like this. Its such a childish way to look at the world."

Priceless!

We are playing a game here against people that want to control every single detail of our lives. And the media, the law, public opinion and code is all part of this game. They obviously want to move the game to a space where they have the upper hand which is media, law and public opinion. We need to move it to code, where we have the upper hand. But to get there we need to have a coherent story why we are the good guys and they

the bad guys

He just keep typing nonsense!

RandomX!

<spirobel[m]> "We are playing a game here..." <- baste

<spirobel[m]> "we should focus more on hiring..." <- 🥴

fuck ericcommie

r4v3r23: some new happene? Or regarding haveno front end delay?

ofrnxmr[m]: same old. this type of leftist cancer should not be tolerated

"an attack on me is an attack on monero"

He said that? Lmfao

Someone take his guys twitter away

yes when i called him out in the original CCS proposal

pathetic behavior. bitches about chris sky to get him cancelled but any criticism directed at himself is "unprecedented punishement"

I think a of people are afraid to call bullshit on it face / trying not to hurt peoples feelings.

I say its business, ercic says its personal

And spirobel: as well lmao *shots fires*

typical leftist tactic

Regarding ercic and haveno

Behave yourselves, rowdy gentlemen! Thought police is reading!

Its ultimately up to haveno to make all the mistakes they want. I just cant believe they fumbled the ball and are blaming the market

"We could have taken funding from private companies!"

They had 151 xmr on April 8, they sold some on April 15 (for profit, and claimed losses) none at the top, and the rest on may 15 or so lol

ofrnxmr[m]: What is selling XMR?

?

¿

What is your question?

What is a question_

lol

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Its ultimately up to haveno to..." <- leftists: victim mentality that blames everything to not take responsibility

the other side of the coin is constant bitching and obstructing people with useless discussions. I personally do not care about politics at all. I just hate people that think they can play "judges" on other peoples work. People shouldn't have to engage with non constructive criticism. Banning these kind of trash people has nothing to do with cancel culture. We have people on the right with victim mentality "heelp they try to

caAancel meee" and on the left "they are nasty to me!!!. The problem is that this kind of non constructive criticism is taken as "community sentiment" in the CCS process. In the gitcoin process all of these problems are not there, because the payout happens immediately and automatic. So there is also no way to complain about exchange rates.

spirobel[m]: agreed, its just called being a bitch. ericcommie is just the left wing version of it that shows certain characteristics

* a bitch. they exist on all ends of the spectrum. ericcommie is

i also said on the CSS that this proposal reeks of a govt program - 0 accountibiity - and we are seeing that play out. community payed its "taxes" and is now at the whims of this idiot who couldn't care less since its not his money on the line

Spirobel

Why do you keep talking about gitcoin?

A solution exists, created by Plowsof

It does what you ask

You whine about how your afgan ccs isnt getting approved, but you dont see that the non approval nothing to do with the comments on the ccs and everything to do with your emotional / personal attachment afganistan.

Your commant above about westerners can just get jobs, for example, is why nobody wants to help ya

Now I understand why he doesn't think Miles Guo is heroic...

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