thanks for sharing rayatina, will check it out 🤳

gang gang o.o

MURICA

FUK YE

:derp:

on fdroid

<rayatina> "they're basically self destruct..." <- Ripple is also one

CCS Coordinator (3 months) is now fully funded! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/plowsof-com-rel.html

Congrats plowsof: !

nioc: wow did you became a bot

I noticed first 🥳

Im a bot and 5 alts. I might even be nioc

w0w

congratulations plowsof

great news, will there be some party to celebrate?

:D hopefully a Monerokon in Prague for everyone next year

<MajesticBank> "great news, will there be some..." <- This Saturday at 1pm (after meeting)

Byob

I forgot to check when I woke up and the bot beat me to the announcement

hostility from strangers who do not know me is expected / normal - but it has been quite a strange/new experience to see donations / people supporting me / sharing my proposal on telegram who i do not know, how to say thank you? Thank you all!? ill think of something but mainly i can provide what i promised in my proposal and attempt to do a 'good job'

byob = bring your own bot

selsta: I am everywhere

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Im a bot and 5 alts. I might..." <- my :tinfoil: ass still thinking u and plowsof be eachothers alts, like, just sayin o.o

I'm only plowsof when he sleeps

u always around at the exact same time tho, like, always 😹

i mean, i know that clark kent be the opposite of that but imo is also a giveaway in some cases :3

Scary, isnt it?

Im like, a shadow

exactly! LOL

Maybe im his stalker 🫡

im still sad ever since spacekitty went into the official MRL room and said they "hope their meeting doesn't go on about plowsofs proposal again"

i meant rbrunner!

anyways, congratz on that ccs funding plowsof

New point for the CV

"managing communication regarding financing future projects for 3 billion dollar project"

Or something like that

more like 2 billion dollar project nowadays tho

In the bullrun you can write how your expertise helped gain 4 billion in market cap

on a completely unrelated sidenote, always found hilarious those people going to work on shitcoins with their public identity for the sake of being able to write that down in their linkdin but then they get greedy and the whole shitcoin turn into their own pump and dump playground which just ends up going to 0

Also count up the total amount for every ccs funded during your reign

😳 a meeting this Saturday 16:00UTC monero-project/meta #754 (bp++ audit ccs should hopefully make the list)

bp++ would need an other hardfork btw, right?

yes

I don't see why not

all cryptography changes require hardforks

alrighty :3

depending on the timing it might happen along with seriphis

*timing and reality

its a long (and expensive) road

<spacekitty420[m]> "anyways, congratz on that ccs..." <- Thanks

:D

uh oh , hello raya

Ray, please

Stop using the reply function

For the 14th time, it causes readability issues for irc

more like irc boomers hipsters should just stop using irc...

selsta:

Spacekitty wants to fight

🍿

>Someone needs to make a list of all upcoming meetings (not me). Hard to keep track or schedule

can someone do this

i've had so many bugs with matrix

Matrix is pretty painful, spacekitty knows that

yes MajesticBank

plowsof: can

He's the ~ccs~ (strikethrough) monero coordinator

plowsof: Thank you my good sir

i mean... remember when it was on freenode? as soon as you was connecting to the irc, your ip address was leaked to the whole chat... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…680295f9c496b5fe0561b645bb9fb496a84>)

*who could have predicted

plowsof: could you add an item to the agenda for reviewing the draft CFP for monerokon cfp.monerokon.com/2023/cfp

ofrnxmr[m]: there are no readability issues on IRC from ray, we don't see them

Hahahaha, I forgot 💀

oh indeed, raya messages don't show up in monerologs.net :hyperthonk:

Im dying. Someone did ray dirty haha

spacekitty420 @spacekitty420:matrix.org: why can you send emoji in mrl but I cant

Emoji reactions *

Rucknium:

Thanks for the links in dev. But I need to think of a way to automate a calendar etc so I am notified

Monero Observer does RSS. Maybe that can be piped

ofrnxmr[m]: used to run the bridges for MRL, so perms are probably from back then

can you check my novel into bringing atomic swaps to back

*back to life

MajesticBank: farcaster is alive and they are also working on a GUI currently

will check it now, is there some ETA on Farcaster?

I don't know if they have an ETA but they have funding already

doesn't feel like we fund another commit protocol proposal without some obvious business model

>There is a side question of if the COMIT software should be continued. On the one hand, it's the only software actually 'in production'. On the other, it arguably shouldn't be in production as the multiple open critical issues point to. I also didn't appreciate its code quality when I reviewed it, and potentially believe it needs to be massively re-architected.

this is what kayabaNerve_ said in regards to the codebase

I don't think it makes sense to put a lot of money into it at this point

☝️

thumbs_up

from what this clueless person can see, farcaster is putting in quality work

high standards

it does make sense what you say. commit also had a bad start

farcaster is way more serious, no doubt

farcaster has a proper specification and should end up more robust

"Bring the liquidity of around 500 000 USD per day and make sure fee doesn't pass 1% on total volume to make it competitive to other markets." majesticbank plans on providing atomic swap liquidity? escapethe3ra

selsta: i feel like we are 6-9 months away from farcaster production

Is this the correct place to ask questions about node management or is there a more appropriate room?

yes you can ask

Go ahead and ask

Perfect

MajesticBank: hopefully, maybe the team can give an update on it

Currently running a node with RPC over Tor, so I can connect my wallet using this.

However, when trying to stop monerod while SSH'd into the node, I get errors referring to RPC request. I have tried using

curl 127.0.0.1:18081/stop_daemon -H 'Content-Type: application/json'

but this gives me 401 not authorized, even when I provide it the login for RPC. Any idea as to why this is? Am I missing something from the curl command?

no idea what's wrong with the command, would just be running the daemon under a `tmux` session so that when ssh'ing back into it, could just do a `tmux attach` and then "ctrl + c" to stop daemon

If you SSH in, cant you just use `./monerod exit`

Same ^ I use screen though.

But, screen etc should be unnecessary unless you want to run the daemon in the foreground. `./path/to/monerod exit` should work

spacekitty420 @spacekitty420:matrix.org: were talking to ourselves

prob just went afk for a lil bit, we took awhile to answer, like... 3 minutes, alot could happen in 3mins, like, coffee on the servers, a kitty eating some cables and the whole thing got shutdown, a bsod... idk, bunch of thing :3

welcome back solo:P

<ofrnxmr[m]> "If you SSH in, cant you just use..." <- "Error: Daemon did not stop-- rpc_request:"

spacekitty420[m]: Why thank you, has been a while aha

Whats distro? Ubuntu Linux?

What*

Ubuntu, yes

`sudo reboot`?

idk LOL

Is your rpc-bind-ip flag not default?

127.0.0.1:18081

It should be, I am able to connect to it and get responses over Tor with default setup, just not shut it down

run it in safe mode

Is this anything to do with restricted-rpc?

and pkill then

it can sometimes be stuck, try updating to latest version

It is currently syncing, so I wouldn't want to kill it

I am on FF0.18.1.2

solo[m]: Did you bind restricted to 127.0.0.1

If so, yes. You cant kill a node over restricted rpc

* Did you bind restricted to 127.0.0.1:18081

`--db-sync-mode=safe` so that it can be killed safely without risking to corrupt the blockchain or somethin somethin (just takes a lot more time to sync tho)

bitmonero.conf has

restricted-rpc=1

Change conf to....

ofrnxmr[m]: Even from the machine itself?

spacekitty420[m]: Am I able to do this without killing the current monerod then? Otherwise I will still likely have to salvage the db (unsuccessfully)

i wouldnt think so

I got to 97% sync then a power cut yesterday ahahaaa

#restricted-rpc=1... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…185d25e4ec856c3b2503bcb587e53dd3709>)

solo[m]: Are you running the node in the foreground

ofrnxmr[m]: No

spacekitty420[m]: Linux _shouldn't_ need the safe flag

I can confirm it does after the power cut xd

still did have a corrupted blockchain few weeks ago from the rig crashing as well

For sudo reboot*

* as well on linux without the flag

If the system kills monerod, it should be fine

Safe also burns your ssd out faster

Wouldn't worry, am using rotating drive

oh damn, and to 97% on hdd u said? must have taken soooo long

R.I.P....

Damn

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> #restricted-rpc=1... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…0139b66f8cad4a7d54bee5f3b1047cf0de2>)

> <@spacekitty420:matrix.org> oh damn, and to 97% on hdd u said? must have taken soooo long

> R.I.P....

Only a week of syncing lost

Yes

Thanks for the help guys :D

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> #restricted-rpc=1... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…314aa24293b866d6fcfd624cb01db2c3485>)

solo[m], I know that feel

what is everyone's data.mdb size? I have a pruned node at 54.9 GB (54,879,453,184 bytes)

145GB, not pruned

solo: correct

Dont have your onion pointed at 18081, as its now unrestricted

Perfect

spacekitty420[m], dang.

it took me almost 2 weeks to dl the chain the first time,

eh, still less than bitcoin (for now) and wayyyy less than eth

for most people it's just too time consuming and alot off your data plan, etc

oof, 12 hours here without safe flag, 2TB nvme that plugged with external thingy in USB-C and 24 hours with the safe flag

<lousiF> "what is everyone's data.mdb size..." <- 55418181216 bytes

I had to limit the dl or the entire lan would be clogged, as in nobody could do anything on the lan

also loosing some efficiency probably from doing in VM, having full drive luks encryption + qcow2 luks encrypted as well...

like, it's saying that it's syncing on rotating drive (even tho is nvme)

ofrnxmr[m], mine is 54.9 GB , bytes are a bit tough to convert lol

lan not issue in my case, 10GB/s WAN, not bothering with limiting or if wanna limit, just having different vpn which have their own bottlenecks so it doesnt take all the bandwidth that way

spacekitty420[m]: Can back this up, luks encrypted drives seem to take longer to sync for me too

not everyone has a fibreoptic line near a metro area, though

I had to do it over a crappy dsl connection,

true, also am moving to starlink but pissing me off cause they introduced data caps.... like 250GB per month then throttled or could pay 10 bucks extra for each extra 100GB

lousiF: Ls -lh shows 52gb for me

That mollusk guy is messing everything up lol

😹

ofrnxmr[m], I did ls -lh mine is exactly 52GB

131.06GB full node

dedicated

so much room left

I've read, talked to people that say most of the earlier chain isn't really needed

nioc, I've been running out of disk space since the beginning. lol

lousiF: Does make me wonder, why with so many peers, we don't remove the first blocks as new blocks enter keeping the chain at a stable size

Though, I am not exactly qualified to see why that would be a bad idea so 😆

this is a thing that will scare people away from downloading the chain, or they're just too lazy etc

the size

wasnt there also an issue like the early blocks can't be pruned or something so it's like, blockchain could have been lighter by like 30 GB if they could have been?

def wont be as bad at ethereum so there's that.. x)

there was that xcn "cryptonite" (nothing to do with the cryptonight algorithm) that had that mini-blockchain tech thingy or somethin somethin

then mcm "mochimo" (quatum resistant coin) that also found a way to not have big blockchain by only requiring like last 200 blocks or so, can't remember exactly but was something along those lnies

s/lnies/lines/

That's smart

spacekitty420[m], hmmm

it's tough to get anyone's attention about blockchain stuff now if you don't have a hi-res emoji meme coin etc

lol

You cannot remove outputs from the chain if you don't know if they have been spent. If you knew they were spent, then you'd be able to trace them.

Monero's practical scalability is worse than standard UTXO coins in this regard.

It's a different world now than it was in what, 2014?

that short amount of time..

There is no solution to this problem AFAIK.

Surely there is a way of keeping state without scanning the whole blockchain?

lousiF: cryptoworld got such a bad reputation nowadays, 2015 was the whole Mt. Gox and "bitcoin for the silk road criminals", 2017 was the haters that missed the pump and thought they were too late, 2018 and after was like those bitcoinnect and masternode scamcoins dumping their pre-mine into gullible people, 2021 was the whole defi cringe wave....

also NFTs! Remember NFTs?

Rucknium[m], I guess for now it's monerod --prune-blockchain

right, by defi cringe wave i meant NFT :P

The problem with all NEW HIGH-TECH solutions it seems....

which NFT, even actual artists were clear they dont want any of that shit but they still tried to force themselves into a space that didnt want them, creating even more hatred torward cryptocoins people

NFT ftw tho IG lmao Acronyms

btc the og nft anyways o.o

non-fungible trashcoin

solo: You need all outputs to select decoys. If you know of a solution, post it here: monero-project/research-lab #94

There was a Monero NFT up for auction, not too long ago. I watched the thing till it ended. During that time I just downloaded the .mp4 file of this NFT...

whoever made that made a statement

here it is, opensea.io/assets/ethereum/0x495f94…14003611009036439853479878752993281

and here is the NFT,

shortened url FTR, opensea.io/collection/the-fungible

I made a bunch of XMR by buying reddit nfts and selling them a few days later

The perfect trade. Sold the absolute top

haha

I have tried to figure out the ethereum blockchain, it's beyond me. It has gas, it stinks.

if they want to own a gif file for reputation on a social media website. idfk

lousiF: If you want to lend your assets or borrow money against them in a decentralized way it's pretty good

fractional reserve FTW

then again this is all just on the internet/www. if you turn the computer or phone off, or your battery dies, no internet connection, all of this is worthless.

Just an observation,

I mean yeah

All of this is internet native

Also why i think the obsession with getting crypto accepted in brick and mortar stores is kinda weird

I just remember jokingly trying to insert a dollar bill into a floppy drive in the 90's

but gotta keep paying the internet bill, over the internet. paperless..

Oh yeah, QR codes are pretty handy. You can put some data in a small square. But try to read a QR code with your eyes..? I write everything down on paper with a pen/cil

Just learn to draw QR codes as notes noob

I can go on, but send your friends and family a handwritten letter through the mail. A post card is more value and meaningful

Meaning isn't measurable, so people won't make things that cater toward it

Shame really

Anyways coin stuff

to read QR code with your eyes, u just need the musky brain upgrade thingy soon_tm o.o

In the case of THORSwap Earn:

Your BTC goes into the liquidity pool to mint a synthetic BTC which is 1-to-1 redeemable for native BTC.

The BTC deposit is swapped to RUNE, and the RUNE is deposited in the pool to mint the synthetic BTC.

The synthetic BTC is backed by the liquidity pool and redeemable 1-to-1. This synthetic asset, representing a piece of the liquidity pool, earns a share of the yield that the pool generates from swaps. By taking on just the single side, the regular Asset:RUNE LPers take on extra price risk to RUNE and guarantee the redemption of the synths.

can someone explain to me how this will death spiral as soon as RUNE dumps a little too much

kayabaNerve: you surely have an opinion on this, right?

I dumped all Rune at about ~1.8-1.9$

not going to touch again since they de-prioritized XMR

I was the initial reason why I did buy Rune

i know, im just holding what i have rn waiting for the maya airdrop. although those guys also seem to not care about xmr anymore (even though their investor whitepaper says they do)

rube goldberg

btc>rune>synthBtc>btc

vs

btc>btc

but you dont gain 2% or whatever APY for just holding btc ;:DD

would actually be interesting for xmr since people use it instead of just holding (higher APY bcs more swaps) and this is most likely safer than any CEX lending thing there is

guess they can risk their network beta-testing this thing and when they finally integrate XMR 2 years from now we can feel a whole lot safer

if they need liquidity they could just use btc and give you 2%

just like a bank

doing fractional reserve

im pretty sure the synths are needed for whatever they are doing

because regulations?

no because of how the whole thing is designed

yes but why was it designed like that? :)

I am a simple bot

i think it wouldnt really be possible or really inefficient if you didnt mint synths and they also wanted it to pump rune when you put in other assets

inefficient pumping

i dont get it either

the exchange I use will give me interest for lending them my crypto

except for the fact that I am in NY which protects me and therefore I am excluded from this evil

this isnt a centralized exchange

and they arent lending

monerobull[m]: looks like some of those pyramid scheme graph thingies o.o

yes just for liquidity

to be fair tho, bitcoin is pyramid scheme so.... :derp: x)

so is life

:hyperthonk:

this looks more coherent

this looks like "gieb 1 btc, receive 2 btc" graph o.o

i think they lock the real btc and mint a synth so you dont have to deal with L1 btc fees and blocktime for every trade

and when you withdraw your synth gets burned and you get your L1 btc back

cause not a cex?

am just playin btw, don't mind me, am like literally retarded or some shit and even tho keep reading about all of that defi and nft and staking those btc into centralized exchange for binance to pay u some more btc, i never could understand any of that so... yeah, don't mind me x)

dont worry, i also barely understand this savings thing. i know how regular liquidity works but this is a bit too much

if it actually works, that would be awesome and a big win for defi

if it doesnt, not that terrible of a loss anyways since thorchain is such a bitch about adding xmr

is this serai we are talking about?

serai still in the work too, and it does have that liquidity provider model type of thing, kayaba explained it a bit awhile ago but like i said, am like retarded or some shit but for serai that does seem pretty good

nioc: thorchain i think

or thor themselves?

i think serai will have synths too

they are just called different

I just try to follow the right people and thor does not seem to be them

so it cant be THAT terrible of an idea

thor is alright for swapping amounts sub 1k

we all be following MacAfee o.o

more like MacAfee is following people, they still can't get rid of it lol

LOL true 😹

implementation is a big deal

all i want for christmas is serai, haveno and basic swap

there was activity on farcaster GUI today

I hear haveno Christmas 2021 and Tari in 2020

lol i think you are missing the 2 covid years in your calculation

but they promised me

at least vik will pay for the ui now 👀

i find it funny that as soon as gui funding dried up, it was ok to move froward with the bisq ui

which begs the question, why was the ui being re-written in the first place

cause they said it would be much better

i can accept that. but then it was ok to use the bisq ui. there should be no backing down from that going forward

don't waste money on a ui that isn't needed

get this thing up and running and worry about that later

the new ui looks way better and easier to use than the bisq ui

the ui and backend were developed in parallel by different teams

ok

yeah but then all the development had happened, no turning back at that point

no, the gui was paused

keep it that way

at the point it was paused

NorrinRadd: Because scammer

it seems to have been proven unnecessary. financial constraints enlightened everyone. but let's not move away from what we learned

The ccs didnt even detail what lang the ui would be written in. Whole thing was a sham imho. Haveno backend was never a community project to begin with

Only the fake gui

At least now its in the hands of someone who cares about delivering

And im being extra harsh. The gui wasnt "fake". But the ccs spoke a whole lot about haveno when haveno itself had nothing to do with it

so seraphis not b4 xmas 2024 which I guess means 2026

2024 would be most optimistic

There are plenty of things not ready for seraphis

Random date goal 2024, realistic date, who knows.

ofrnxmr[m]: yeah, the IRS and Ciphertrace are definitely not ready for it o.o

Maybe they are the only ones keeping up with dev?

Big brain seraphis devs releasing at peak of 2028 bullmarket for big hype

Jk. They are retarded

ofrnxmr: nah, still waiting on their math guy...

Seraphis and jamtis are massive changes, going to be a while to even figure our the best way to transition

New wallet addresses, new key schemes, new rings

new lambo, new house, new phone who dis?

New Koe

Mr nice watch

noooooo

it will come quickly, spacekitty420[m] was participating in the seraphis planning meeting

nioc: yas, i big brain o.o

why did fluffy buy a watch that comes with a race-bike? we will never understand

Oh. Well then, were looking at early 2023 if spacekitty was on the job

:3

nioc: I missed the meeting 🤦‍♂️

Its ok. I'' show up at the final meeting and flip the table like a true professional

not too much happened

"New addresses should start with kittyxmr"

eh, u didnt miss much tbh, it was basically like "should outputs be called outputs?" or "should transfers be called transfers"? basically a bunch of nerd tryna understand english big words

ofrnxmr[m]: logs included here monero-project/meta #751

mooo was rolling his eyes lol

spacekitty420[m]: So... I missed the important part

Haha

♥️ moo

Someone needs to keep things going

monerobull[m]: Serai isn't planned to have synths. Synths aren't wrapped assets yet single-sided LP subject to trading fees to acquire and slippage when holding. THORChain's new vaults don't have such slippage because the protocol tops you up, but they still have the acquisition/release trading fees. Serai is looking at wrapping with fla fees.

thanks for clearing that up :)

the serai wrapped assets will be mainly used for arbitrage, right?

Or general swapping. It's the same as leaving your funds on any other exchange

ah makes sense. so if i wanted to do some daytrading i would swap sXMR for sDAI or something and then back to save on fees / locktime