Meeting in ~2hrs 16:00UTC monero-project/meta #767

there's also an events meeting today at 18:00UTC in #monero-events:monero.social

> <@blankpage:monero.social> LebAnon: several "marketplace" projects have been produced but I think none have reached critical mass. Personally, I think your effort would be better spent on improving/translating what already exists. One very high quality project is looking for help:

>

> reddit.com/r/moneromarket/comments/…r_a_team_to_take_over_bitejo_monero

lit

LebAnoni've left a new comment on your proposal also. spirobel would be interested in contacting you i think.

> 6 user selenze asks 'why do we have to register an email on monero.social / why isn't it anon'

>

Because of spammers

selenze was testing me if i would remember his request to add it to the next meeting

How bout my prey

Wheres she at

Not going to attend? Even though Luigi is arbitrarily giving her more chances

its all ogre now, take out your frustrations / approval / disapproval on the gitlab repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/334

> I will make a decision on how to proceed by this the 17th (Saturday) given your feedback and/or votes. If you care, weigh in. - luigi

SGP says pay the man

COI much roflmafomadbaod 💀

meeting time monero-project/meta #767

2. Greetings

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plugging the news outlets ~ News: [Monero Observer](monero.observer) - [Revuo Monero](revuo-xmr.com) - [The Monero Standard](localmonero.co/the-monero-standard)

Heyyy

hi

Morning

right lets jump in to the ccs list

a. [Metronero checkout](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/353)

Wait. Let me announce:

oh

MAGIC Monero Fund is having elections. There are three seats up for election. Only two candidates so far: github.com/MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund-Elections

And you can apply to be a voter

The fund has the equavalent of 50,000 USD split between USD and XMR

<done>

3 seats up for election? interesting. thanks for sharing

right so this metronero proposal. its been up for 2 weeks now in its current form and seems to be missing an extra push. so my question is for the people who like it, how to improve it? my suggestion is to drop the sylius thing and only provide a woocommerce plugin (easier/less work_ and reduce maintenance to just 1 month or something. thoughts?

and my question to those that don't like the proposal - is there anything you would want changed / included / assured?

Morning

(they have other commitments in the future with monerokon etc so it is in their interests to remain in good standing with the community for the foreseeable future)

Any feedback would be appreciated

I also think the current "maintenance" fee is quite high and unclear what's included.

* Any feedback positive or negative would be

unless I overlooked it :P

i prefer woocommerce > no plugin & less css work > sylius

my suggestions would drop the amount to closer to 110~xmr i think , and we'd get a woocommerce plugin / and the final product for a month so we can see it in action

selsta: I will share it once again.

Labor (12 hours a month. 12 hours * 12 months * 0.25 XMR * 2 people = 72 XMR)

Hosting of custodial instance without commission fees (8 XMR)

ccs*

which leaves the door open for funding the more advanced sylios thing later on

sylius*

Maintenance expecting an average of no more than 12h a month of work

And 8XMR on hosting for 12 months on a not too flexible of a budget

* on hosting a public instance with no dev fee for 12

im happy with woocommerce only / 1 month hosting/maintenance to bring the asking amount right down

am i a madman?

Nope, it's doable

We also think that maintenance part is unnecessary. But that was the suggestion of previous meetings

To include a maintenance milestone

i think that would give it the extra push, i just dont know if everyone else agrees

We are also fine with dropping the Syllius from CCS we can do it at our own expense

Agree that current price tag is a bit expensive. Appreciate the addition of plug-ins

and give woocommerce asap?

plowsof11: Yeah

The longer term hosting, I think would still be ideal @8xmr

so mainly to reduce the workload with WCom. plugin and shorter period of maintenance or cheaper

It will be hosted as long as we can financially afford, after the period of free hosting there will be a transaction fee on our custodial instance

And the fee should. Over maintenance costs?

Cover*

Transaction fee as in covering the hosting and further maintenance costs

Not for profit project

I like

we can move on now/change then with this feedback i think

Sure

b. [xmr-btc-swap development and improvement](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/355)

i dont think leito can make it here today. ive left my opinions under that proposal, and just think commit is dead rip , we have farcaster soon

Does anyone know if BasicSwap used the COMIT protocol for their BTC<>XMR atomic swaps?

but am waiting for leito to show where he has fixed the commit protocol already during his volunteer work to justify the rates

i assume so? there was also a javascript thing that used COMIT also

COMIT was always a proof of concept from what I remember

years later now trying to "fix" it and making it a proper API is the wrong approach in my opinion

Rucknium[m]: I think they use their own protocol valley something SecureMessaging (SMSG) Network

I dont like

From casual observation, COMIT could lose user funds from the beginning. We don't know if this will be the last fix of it.

so ive asked him to show where he has improved the protocol so far (if we're not getting some cryptographer/developer then why bother - as we have paid binarybaron + teammate to handle those small tweaks UX issues)

Sunset it

Having some competition is a good argument, but COMIT may be out-competed by Farcaster.

if he is a cryptographer researcher developer then sure , he can put commit on his back and compete with the Farcaster team

Farcaster looks very promising and it's also in Rust

Perhaps they can collab

if leito shows clearly he is skilled, then we may need him elsewhere , im ok to wait

we can move on if anyone has other input

c. [CypherPunk Radio](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/357)

ive pinged NotMtth a week ago here and messaged him, dont think he's seen it but theres been no requested updates / proof of concepts since we requested weeks ago

im ok closing it the next meeting

Keep that same energy when people push back 🥲

agreed

d. [Bulletproofs++ Peer Review](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/358)

nothing to discuss here as we're waiting for the author still ...

other than closing it? and re-opening it ?

Let it sit open imo, its a different category and needs constant follow up

Rucknium suggested to wait around 3 months so its probably better to close it until we have an update

just "hide it from the ides page"

it already has community approval.. just waiting

moving on then

e. [escapethe3RA Monero Observer maintenance (Winter 2022)](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/363)

last meeting it was recently posted and not many attended, but all said merge

if no ones voted on merge or not please do so

Voted to merge at last meeting, but was still young (right?)

Yeah

Merge

Merge

that'll do it escapethe3ra , moving on

Merge

f. [Create Educational Content in Spanish](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/366)

👋🏻 I’m the autor of this proposal, any comments, suggestions are welcome

1. Do you get paid from youtube 🙂

so cakewallet is already sponsoring 5 videos a month i think, and this proposal would increase the monero related videos on loveras main channel? along with other things (tutorials etc)

marketing / outreach too

Already have 15k subs and (how many watch hours?)

YouTube studio > monetization

ofrnxmr[m]: I have 2 YT channels, 1 Monero Only and another different topics. In the first one I don’t get paid

So the answer is yes.

How many subs and watch hours on each channel

plowsof11: Yes! All milestones is separate from cake sponsor… More videos and tutoriales

this was only posted the other day so we've not had time to absorb whats going on here. i've checked the channel(s) out and i just great looking content, worthy of cakewallets investment clearly

Yeah, good channel

Lovera[m]: Your main channel gets more views so I think it's preferable to post there instead of the Monero only channel

lovera mentioned doing video tutorials on gupax/monero-bash @hinto

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> So the answer is yes.

> How many subs and watch hours on each channel

In LoveraXMR 550+ and growing fast last weeks…

hehe one step ahead github.com/hinto-janaiyo/gupax#How-To

The content seems great (I don't speak spanish), has a bunch of comments from people and views higher than usual when it comes to non english monero content

Not something that needs fundraising imo. Your YouTube presence is profitable, paid directly from youtube, and you have outside sponsors. We also dont fund transations @plowsof re gupax

Connect with MoneroTalk/Monerotopia since they will have their conference in Mexico CIty next year

In LoveraXMR 95 hours Las 28 days in LoveraTV ~800

Do you need a paypal account to get paid by YouTube?

All time numbers for xmr please

ofrnxmr[m]: I can show you how much YouTube pay for this 🤣

We can still sponsor, I don't think youtube pays him more than few dollars

Please do

Lovera[m]: Sure :D

While youre offering, details on all income would be nice as well

And for Monero only channel there is not incomings

I think that this proposal is more than just Marketing, many people in Monero Spanish channel ask for tutorials and guides… Injust one to push more effort to create more content

i would see this as a re-introduction of Lovera (as his last ccs was some time ago) so we need some time to think, but i would clearly state things in a full disclosure section (if you are happy to) to show cake sponsor . we must remember the asking amount is just 3.5xmr / month too

I think it's worth paying for content on your main channel for that because there's clearly activity there

definitely active / large outreach

15k subs

highest viewcount on one of lovers videos?

I have TikTok also where I plan to push Monero News every week

loveras*

ofrnxmr[m]: Compared with other channels that speak over monero moon articles in russian, 15k is something

There is 27k subs, I just want to spread more Monero over the e world

Monerotalk 7.6k

Monerotalk has 7.6k subs** for comparison

thanks

Well lmao he's more popular than everyone

Yeah

plowsof11: ✅ COMO MINAR ⛏ Monero desde Windows o Linux | Guía paso a paso

About Monero this one I think

And this is the main channel, right

such guides / walk throughs are really important for noobs (especially in their native language)

Yes! I one to push also Monero Only channel!

IMO keep it all on main channel...

Grow your main channel, but keep monero playlists on main channel

plowsof11: This is the main reason for this proposal, take a look at Telegtam Monero channel in Spanish, all time question, about mining, wallets, nodes

thank you for attending lovera , we learned alot and feedback seems positive, lets wait for more feedback over the next week or so 🚀

ofrnxmr[m]: Yea, I can share content through both channels

He also has:

TikTok Channel: 20,000+ suscribers

Telegram Channel: 1000+ suscribers

more than me : 0 and 0

Thanks you 🙏🏻

right, moving on lastly to LebAnons proposal

g. [Empower Lebanon(and similar hyperinflated countries) to use Monero instead of fiat(educational and bartering platform/guerilla marketing/workshops)](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/367)

there are a few comments already for lebanon to act on

show 'proof of work' basically

i think showing previous work is needed here

More XMR market websites. Monero is truly the wild west. Attracts all the cowboy devs.

Please collaborate and don't re-invent the wheel.

🙄 im all for Lebanon using xmr, but 5xmr for stickers ?

monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org:

Hmm

too many people talk big but never deliver

ofrnxmr[m]: That is a lot of money for stickers

Depends how many

i suggest @monerobull funds a guerrilla and sends 25 euros of xmr directly so lebanon can print stickers himself (cheaper)

Monerobull is like "only if they buy them from me"

plowsof11: Guerrilla fund is empty

And he plans to stick them around Beirut (20 km2)

He doesn't need that many stickers 😅

Ill send a real life guerrilla to deliver the stickers foe 5xmr

I think they have postal services that work, it's not afghanistan after all

if lebanon wants some of monerobull s stickers, I'll sponsor a pack, no problem

I didnt read any further into the proposal than that

ceetee[m]: I doubt packages to Lebanon arrive at first try

Israel took 3 attempts to finally get through

binance had a crypto meetup there in july (my comment asks about this)

They should

monerobull[m]1: Oh

i barely leave the house so if i made an ourreach proposal i couldnt prove any of this

hopefully lebanon can

I think his proposal should focus on the web app he's talking about

he wants to make bitejo.com

And he should elaborate more on what is that going to be exactly

a place to barter for goods/services using xmr

how would we verify the party was a success he plans on throwing?

> Safe mode by Dr.Daniel Kim which is the most recommended starter talk to get to know how XMR is true digital cash

Huh

plowsof11: Bitejo is looking for someont to take over, no?

plowsof11: I'm not sure if we should fund that

plowsof11: Lots of pictures (not good for promoting XMR)

if he has experience of planning meetups - and its going to be a mini monerokon then sure

otherwise, no

Siren[m]: It's ZCash level of a request

put some stickers around beirut, use bitejo.com and watch monero means money with some friends

If you end up funding that please fund our Lithuania meetups so we can get unlimited free drinks at a bar for an hour or two 😭

plowsof11: 5000$

Yes, Zcash gets a lot of these requests to their fund. They have paused them while they are working on the tx spam issues

Siren[m]: Also my Friday gamenights so we don't have to use debians jitsi instance anymore

LebAnon if you are serious about this, spirobel would like to talk to you as 'feet on the ground' anywhere is always a good start

so we've reached the end (other than user selenzeasking why cant they sign up for matrix account without email because monero is anonymous!)

plowsof11: I mean he is right

We also want to stick more Monero stickers around Lithuania

But we get spam

Hack more kiosks to display the getmonero.org intro video as well

yeah it was without registration, but , this is why we cant have nice things

A good solution would be to have a bot integration that texts you on matrix

selenze should use ccs gitlab (as that doesnt require email verification)

Sign up with verified email or pay some XMR. That will stop the spam accounts

Stnby[m]: CCS to pay the possible fine

send 1 piconero even

Stnby[m]: We did that in city center and it was playing for days

the next meeting would be 31st, so there wont be one , is anyone sad?

Ccs to take holiday from ccs Meetings

We will update our CCS today, maybe someone can write some feedback before the new year ;D

i can't claim 2 meetings / milestone , how will i cope

Stnby[m]: Doesn't matter, still won't get merged until next meeting

thank you everyone for attending , lets get some coffee and get ready for the #monero-events:monero.social meeting

Siren[m]: So we can make iterations until the next one

When is monerotopia

Like the talk today

after this change, to metronero that several agreed with here , it shuldnt need another meeting, if they have a heart they will updoot

plowsof11: Gonna run to the shop, 50 minutes left until alcohol hours end.

<Stnby[m]> "Gonna run to the shop, 50..." <- Alcohol in turkey?

<alpharabius[m]> "Alcohol in turkey?" <- No, Lithuania, Turkey has no alcohol restrictions

Hi Monero community!... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…a0634627774b773bff41c4b55cc4b3ebac5>)

It is only on binance.

ok, thank you for your answer.

So it means the solution with Bisq should work then?

the exact message from binance is "Withdrawals are temporarily halted while Binance replenishes the hot wallet. Withdrawals for this asset will be resumed shortly."

thank you plowsof ! I didn't see that message

their estimate is 2 (two) days 💢

so id use the other option

alright, thank you.

I'm new with Bisq, is it also a wallet? once I buy XMR where do I store them?

im not certain, bisq mentions withdrawing to an external wallet

Bisq requires no identity verification and is noncustodial, so you maintain full control of your funds. so i assume it has a built in montero wallet 🤔