I've just posted a new update on Monero integration into Molly. You can find it in the CCS project repo: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/252#note_20549

hey

i make 3d web games

i have an idea for a Monero game

does monero have an official mascot?

or is it just the monero coin "M" that represents Monero?

Thanks for the update valldrac 🫡

valldrac all down hill form here "yesterday" 😁

old things on a new repo?

I'm working alone in the repo so I amend the single commit almost daily 🙈

valldrac: you resubmitted the entire ting for a fresh new timestamp?

Until the first release I suppose

so you typed some text and refreshed timestamps in an old repo

sigh

plowsof11: I can share the reflog with the timestamps if you're curious 😁

Got a better offer?

refresh all the timestamps in sweetlies too

cherry on top

plowsof11: That would be ugly. Sweetlies is a fork and it's released. I want to keep the history of changes

exactly

As in fork or its released?

so what changed in the latest commit valldrac

plowsof11: What commit?

yesterday

github doesnt even list it in your graph (assuming because nothing actually changed)

last difference was in november

plowsof11: Yesterday I was working on the UI of the wallet demo and added some screens. You cannot see the diffs in the repo because the commits are squashed

in november you decided not to squash?

no diffs in the repo, your profiles contributor graph

where are the screens 👀

plowsof11: Don't you prefer to wait until I complete it first?

It will have a proper git history, and a nice README... the usual stuff. Now it's just my working directory pushed to GitHub

confirmed that the repo is active / work is being done 👍️ ignore my comments about history/graphs

plowsof: reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/10n52…_a_kebab_store_and_a_website_called

Should of used xmr ;)

<valldrac[m]> " Don't you prefer to wait..." <- No

what will finish first molly server or covid

Covid

Molly is a gentleman. Trues to make sure he doesnt finish first

<plowsof11> "where are the screens 👀" <- WHEREEE

I came a long time ago

meeting at 16:00UTC today monero-project/meta #785

#monero-events:monero.social meeting at 18:00UTC too

I love how mj created the issue himself because he's the only one using this shit mj-xmr/SolOptXMR #151

Then arguing with endor like a little kid

They did such a mistake funding this shit 😂

Clearly its finished

About as finished as haveno

Also y'all keep calling it an accident when he himself refers to it as a business model mj-xmr/SolOptXMR #147

"As a side note, the last point of that report was "Business model introduction", which has been retraced during the Community Review, so it became irrelevant for the current state of SolOptXMR."

2023 is going to be a big year

It was 100% intentional. He tried to accuse me of telling him to add it

Ahahhahha

He's asking for funds to put the old code in place

Lmfao

Scamming after scamming

luigi1111: you scammer-enabler.😡😡😡

Hes not stupid, anyone who released the funds is.

You just dont feed a scammer

Why not?

I alwyas thought watering weeds make them go away? Makes the grass greener?

No?... maybe I had that backwards

But hey, its like strike 5

Who cares about rules when you can get to 5 strikes and still get paid

ofrnxmr[m]: Luigi when scam proposals end up in CCS: "wooo yeah baby that’s what i’ve been waiting for thats what it’s all about woohoo"

Sure maybe its better than the advertisment for a movie with 1sec M coin shot.

Siren: literally.

I wonder about whats really going on in regards to the favoritism given to almost every scam

ofrnxmr[m]: They probably split it behind the secene

Here I thought we were getting together to prevent continuing the flood of nonsense ccs in purgatory, or ripoffs, fake voting etc

Instead, we see a blatant scam and pay it out

<plowsof11> "2023 is going to be a big year..." <- ^

2022 ended on a shitty note

Lets hope its a big year for independednt funding

CCS is disfunctional

2023 started with confirmation that 2022 was ended incorrectly (lets reimplement the bs and raise funds outside of ccs for an IN OROGRESS ccs)

hopefully endor00 can share progress today (my miners need profitability.py to be maintained)

Need to RTFM, but is mj allowed to add code to thebprojext that adds the dev fee back?

While the ccs is still in progress?

Didnt we just remove the code as an excuse to pay him?

We need to confirm

Is this now ENDORS ccs?

Or is it mj + endor?

A) mj leaves and endor takes over in full = mj can do whatever he wants

B) both are still on the ccs = he is trying finger paid to undo a change that was madeas a condition of payment.

Whether he has been paid ot not, if he is still party to the ccs, he still have to go by the proposal.

well is he even allowed to run a fundraiser while on CCS?

* A) mj leaves and endor takes over in full = mj can do whatever he wants

B) both are still on the ccs = he is trying to raise funds to undo a change that was made as a condition of ccs payment.

Whether he has been paid ot not, if he is still party to the ccs, he still have to go by the proposal.

Because mj can do anything

sorry they/them not he

Bad actors* can do anything

Yes. THEY

Not he

mj is free, all funds released, endor has to complete the remaining parts (or a fork of it, if it changes) i assume

No

lovely and once he drains ccs funds he's going for the dev fee again haha

Not free unless Endor formally takes over an abandoned ccs

Otherwise its just fuckery

responsibility has shifted onto endor, we can now expect regular updates for work being done

No such thing

So, mj is still on the ccs, or mj is not

There is no such thing as any other answer

mj is gone I guess? got what he wanted

plowsof11: ^

Shifted sounds like still on, still scamming

"I assume"

Never assume a scammer dud the right thing 😆

If siren didnt look, maybe nobody would have noticed the reintroduction of 70 lines of accidental code

Nioc's cat writes dev fees in all the time

thank you for finding it siren , great work

The attempted * reproduction

ReIntroduction (autocorrect)

lmfao

also it's insane that someone can work on something not so complicated for almost everyday for a year?

RavFX: needs a ccs

yet still fucks it up, it's an overengineered mess

s/overengineered/over-engineered/

He is 100% off grid, doesnt/cant use solopt, and did some research, that ive yet to test, of splitting the blockchain among multiple disks

Theoretically solving the size scaling issue by allowing all but the tip of the chain he reside on HDD

I asked chatGPT how we could improve Monero

There are several steps that Monero developers could take to improve the security and privacy of the Monero network:

1. Implementing new privacy features: Monero already has a number of built-in privacy features, such as stealth addresses and ring signatures, but the developers could explore additional methods for obscuring transaction data, such as zero-knowledge proofs.

2. Enhancing scalability: As the Monero network grows, it may become increasingly difficult to process all the transactions in a timely manner. Developers could explore solutions such as off-chain transactions and sharding to improve scalability.

3. Improving network security: Monero developers could continue to implement new security measures to protect the network from attacks and prevent malicious actors from gaining control of the network.

4. Updating the protocol: Monero developers could continue to update the Monero protocol in order to improve security and privacy features.

5. Research and Development: Monero developers should continuously research on new technologies related to the privacy and security of the cryptocurrency space and implement the most promising ones.

6. Network decentralization: Monero developers could also focus on making the network more decentralized by encouraging more individuals and organizations to run full nodes and participate in the network.

7. Community engagement: Monero developers should also engage with the community and gather feedback on what features they would like to see added to the network.

It's important to note that, these steps are not an exhaustive list and Monero's development is a continuous process, as new threats and advancements in technology arise, developers should continuously adapt and improve the Monero network accordingly.

then I asked it how we can improve Monero's adoption

1. Education and awareness: The Monero community could focus on educating and raising awareness about the benefits of Monero, such as its privacy features and decentralization. This could be done through workshops, meetups, and other events, as well as through online content such as articles, videos, and social media posts.

2. Building partnerships and collaborations: Monero community can work to build partnerships and collaborations with businesses, organizations, and other entities that could benefit from using Monero. This could include online merchants, remittance providers, and other entities that operate in industries where privacy and security are important.

3. Improving usability: The Monero community could also focus on improving the usability of Monero, making it easier for people to use and understand. This could include developing user-friendly wallets and other tools, as well as providing clear and accessible resources for getting started with Monero.

4. Encouraging developers: Monero community should encourage developers to build new applications and services on top of the Monero blockchain, such as decentralized marketplaces, privacy-focused social networks, and more.

5. Building a strong community: Monero community should work to build a strong and engaged community of users, developers, and other stakeholders who can support and promote the adoption of Monero. This could be done through community events, meetups, and other forms of engagement.

6. Supporting research: Monero community should support research on Monero and its potential uses, and make the findings publicly available to help the wider community understand Monero and its potential.

7. Legal and regulatory advocacy: Monero community should also engage with regulators and policymakers, to help them understand the benefits of Monero and advocate for a regulatory environment that is conducive to its adoption.

It's important to note that the Monero community is decentralized and made up of individuals and groups with different priorities and goals, the above suggestions are not an exhaustive list and the community can come up with its own strategies to promote Monero's adoption.

kinda boilerplate stuff tbh

but all good suggestions

hanshan[m]: right, but considering it's machine-generated it's pretty good

It told me to use a third party escrow or smart contracts to conduct offline transactions

Do we have a community meeting today?

Yeah

ofrnxmr[m]: Cat has staff that does work for her

in 2 hours~ 16:00 UTC also an events one MSvB

there is also a MoneroKon planning meeting @ 18:00 UTC

Meeting time monero-project/meta #785

Greetings, hi

Ohai

Hello.

linking the news sites/letters while we wait a bit (Monero Moon has been active recently and is making an appearance) [Monero Observer](monero.observer) - [Revuo Monero](revuo-xmr.com) - [The Monero Standard](localmonero.co/the-monero-standard) - [Monero Moon](themoneromoon.com)

hello

can jump to community highlights, anyone want to share something cool theyve been doing or noticed?

Small update about Monero ATM: We would like to thank everyone who donated to the [ATM project](atm.monero.is). We're 57% funded! There hasn't been much progress this week because I'm busy programming for Monerokon.

Hello

Siren[m]: Other people are busy exploring NixOS builds and random stuff

Revuo seems pretty low effort compared to the other news sources

an open source, off-the-shelf parts DIY ATM to buy monero with cash

the p2poool hardfork test on testnet was a success so everything is on track, well done sech1 SChernykh/p2pool #224

i forked plowsofs code to make a daily updated list of ZMQ-enabled monero nodes: github.com/hinto-janaiyo/monero-nodes

these will be replacing the current nodes used in gupax, hopefully solving a lot p2pool connection related issues

i've also posted a bounty to hopefully support the developer who helps get blake2b merged into seraphis. without this, there will be no randomx mining in it, so its kind of important C++ BLAKE2b Dev Challenge [ Seraphis ] [new bounty posted](bounties.monero.social/posts/75/0-3…8m-blake2b-c-dev-challenge-seraphis)

[Haveno bounties](github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/issues…%3Aissue+label%3A%F0%9F%92%B0bounty) , woodser has been very busy on the back end. wowario recently made a pull request to add wownero to haveno.

I wrote this: reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10gapp…ed_mining_pools_are_delaying_monero

Already at least 3 mining pools started confirming transactions faster.

wonderful, great to hear, up to ~1 minute faster for a transaction to get 1 conf if every mining pool updates 👍️

a few CCS proposers who might not be able to make it have given some updates on what theyve been up to also

dmslegend has taken note of feedback already given and put them into issues here (focussing on video 1) gitlab.com/monero-videos/monero-adoption-animated-videos/-/issues

here is the Script 1 that's being being addressed first gitlab.com/monero-videos/monero-ado…Use%20Monero%20for%20Commerce%3F.md

savandra has uploaded a sneak peak of some images / ideas for feedback theyve worked on this week repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/308#note_20552

Hey guys, here are the new 3D concepts for the vids reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10nfjb…video_update_on_the_new_3d_concepts

oh sorry

ah hello savandra

no problem

thank you for bringing up the matrix, hope the new concepts look more appealing! they will be easily scalable to cover complex and long topics in the future

my suggestion was to focus on script 1 / video 1 and i am so far satisfied with these efforts to address our concerns, and will be following up to see any further progress / make sure we're being kept up to date

looking forward to the feedback from the community :)

plowsof11: sure

Hello

savandra[m]: they look awesome!

Hi there

I love that one with the ball dispenser (?)

Siren[m]: yeah, central autority concept with cctv cameras

s/autority/authority/

that's honestly very creative

fits so well

The new images are cool

yes, i am relieved to see the script coordinator / animator working

Another update from me: Artic Mine has given me initial feedback on my OSPEAD estimation procedure draft and approved the general direction. That's now three green lights out of three, so we are go for launch.

very creative indeed

Molly IM [update](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/252#note_20549) valldrac has shown me the git history of the repo and i can confirm that regular work has been going on in the molly-monero sdk repo.

i've suggested that they try to 'show' us how its going with e,g, screenshots/recordings so we know the project is still alive, which it is

savandra: just saw the 3D concepts, very cool, like them

thanks for the update valldrac

out of 3 projects/persons who ive asked for updates, savandra/dmslegend - and valldrac have impressed me. only nothing from yet endor00

ill chase that up. i think we can go on to the ccs proposals now

[Create Educational Content in Spanish](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/366)

Hm

lovera has edited the proposal after each request by the community / attended all the prior meetings. it now contains the transparency section which discloses the 5 videos from cake / no youtube monetisation or other will be on the community videos. donators can see the full picture now

👀 im late

Looks like it has community support and the guy incorporated all request people had

I commented in the isssue, I don't see a problem with Lovera proposal, his videos are usually very clear and he's knowledgeable. There is not an excess of spanish material, really. I'll leave it to the community to step up and fund it, but the CCS should be approved IMHO.

Lovera @btclovera:matrix.org: thank you for the transparency

time to merge this one then?

Honestly it's better outreach than the movie

I vote yes

I vote yes

also better price/value, so I'm gonna say yes too

And a whole 15XMR less

Absoultely good deal

yes

15?

Movie is 25k* usd 150xmr or so

So 140xmr less

Ohh right

Well then even better

* even better deal

Lovera wil be merged asap thanks for votes and patience

[Help an independent film featuring Monero get to the Oscars™!

](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/371)

Only if we get a community version

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I think we should be able to watch the film to judge the amount and kind of Monero exposure

> <@plowsof:matrix.org> [Help an independent film featuring Monero get to the Oscars™!

> ](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/371)

Sell your kidneys if you want 150XMR. Not worth even if the movie is CC

That NEEDS to be clarified before we can even fund it based on the CCS rules

Absolutely NO

I don't care about any awards, it needs to be free and open

He does not deserve a cent more than Lovera @btclovera:matrix.org

so we can see 15% of the movie (public) which i read is planned . the license issue is still lingering , but the proposer is shifting toward applying the liense to "only the marketing material"

and if it cannot be open and he cares more about qualifying for awards, he should go find funding somewhere else

Not worth 150XMR anyway

A single youtube video is longer lmao

I also think that it's not worth 150 XMR

plowsof11: Only the marketing material? So this is a marketing proposal again all of a sudden

Just a fat NO

yes thats the new pivot

No

No one cares about his bizantine M coin 1sec shot

I vote hard no

the proposers comment to summarise where they are at now repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/371#note_20542

Siren[m]: not good enough to find out about Monero

but maybe for learning about byzatine empire and drugs

jwinterm @jwinterm:libera.chat: jwinterm @jwinterm:magicgrants.org:

I could have _maybe_ considered if it was to "support the art"

The ccs is not for the movie, but for the marketing to get to the Oscars

So I wont vote for you, since that wasnt what was discussed

if we take a look at the bitcoin miami proposal - one of the core team fluffypony had issue with 'dash hosting a strip club party' so this seems to be important how monero is perceived

But as just a marketing thing its basically worthless

monerobull[m]1: You should make a proposal for 150 XMR we can cover every single sqm of Lithuania in Monero ads

Marketing a movie that we cant watch until after commitiing a donation? No

I honestly find it problematic that he didn't ask the dead child's family for consent

Might as well sponsor Netflix

I vote that it is ok to go to funding if marketing materials are permissively licensed

Ill contact Netflix and see if they want us to donate to their TV show

jwinterm @jwinterm:magicgrants.org: thank you for update 👍

Siren[m]: and he's dodging this question too

ofrnxmr[m]: "This scene sponsored by the Monero community"

Yeah, saying "thats his problem "

DRM sponsored by Monero CCS

We need to see the film, that's my opinion. Maybe it's great. But we cannot make a decision based on words alone.

Hard no.

have you not seen it anhdres?

nope

anhdres[m]: I think this is also reasonable request

I have seen it

anhdres @anhdres:matrix.org: you must pay to view

I thought it wasn't available

Can someone drop a link to the movie?

ehhh its a spanish film, you'd be the first person on the list

geonic shared it with me privately

ofrnxmr[m]: And delete after viewing

It has to be on the proposal page

But it cant be, or voids the point of the ccs

anhdres you can contact geonoic for a link

will check, I had no idea it was possible to watch it

it's an invalid proposal

will do

plowsof11: Nah, thats sus

How many dislikes does it have to collect to be closed?

100

in another life I went to film school haha

geonic* currently it was breaking the rules, but now its shifted into "marketing materials"

it's also mega weird that he's already done with the movie and will release regardless, he's only here for marketing but provides little to no value for us

(Sarcasm. We all know they will merge this)

xD

I wont ask for a copy.

plowsof11: When did we spend 150XMR on 1 second marketing?

If I cannot come to the ccs and VIEW it, I can only vote no

I swear to God if the gf pays to this

So, no

you know that you can get a monero themed hot air balloon for 150 xmr right???

what the fuck

nobody even watches the end credits

You can get Netflix placement for cheaper

And actual name dropping

Can I open a proposal where I ask for CCS to buy me a hot air baloon. We will give it away to the hot air baloon company in Vilnius

yes that was much better marketing

Can watch Netflix trailers too

Stnby[m]: With a big ass getmonero ad

because the netflix show said something in the lines of "in Monero. It is untraceable currency."

ofrnxmr[m]: With a explanation instead of portraied like a physical coin

YES

Stnby[m]: No

Zcash funded a skydiver

Were doing sgp's yacht next

Rucknium[m]: Ok but that was cool

Like their hit song, ZCash anthem

WHICH IS PERMISSIVELY LICENSED CAN YOU BELIEVE IT

ofrnxmr[m]: Those dont cost 150XMR

Go big or go home

if this 'situation' is not remedied then it feels like we're in a deadlock / no consensus with possibly 'rules being broken' - i would then ask core to decide if necessary (like the bitcoin miami proposal) 😟

Hot air baloon costs 30-70k Eur + VAT. Whos into it?

Uh

I'm still trying to get any of the argentinean fintech that sell crypto for fiat and stuff like that to accept Monero

There is 1?2 yes votes from "not my friends"

And the rest from friends and alts

Stnby[m]: ballooning.lt/reklama-ant-oro-baliono

then the second step is to post guerilla posters and stuff

Lets reopen Lebanon cxs

but otherwise makes no sense because it's kinda annoying yo buy monero here, unless pure p2p

anhdres[m]: I can provide those

570 xmr on chinese marketing on one forum forum.getmonero.org/22/completed-ta…-the-largest-chinese-btc-forum-8btc

Monero doesnt win an Oscar. Geonic does

jwinterm[m]: How much was xmr worth back then

I think he'll win a lawsuit from the family before oscars

Rucknium[m]: Honestly $3300 is a good value if the videos actually look cool

monerobull[m]1: I think that was $25k?

* I think he'll be awarded a lawsuit from the family before oscars

170.000 chinese Yuan, around 570 XMR

The Chinese thing probably got more xmr adoption than this

monerobull[m]1: it was a total scam, I think this is a lot more value tbh

sgp: off-topic but has your team looked into Maxima Lithuania cards yet?

ok with 10 minutes left, we have a new ccs proposal posted today

* Maxima Lithuania (geradovana.lt) cards yet?

Throwing in failed proposals as a reason to fund this is not the great move you think it is

Siren[m]: We probably can't add unless they have a real API. People don't like when we plug in stuff they they don't know about. Bad for partnerships long term :(

selsta (part-time) 3 months dev work repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/372

jwinterm[m]: We arent doing scams anymore

Not even small ones

monero on a sail boat sail forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-requi…l-in-the-bermuda-one-two-yacht-race

Selsta to funding

appears to have been funded?

selsta +1

monerobull[m]1: jwinterm @jwinterm:magicgrants.org:

jwinterm @jwinterm:magicgrants.org: monero isnt even mentioned in the movie

Selsta +1

+1 for selsta

Move to funding right away

monerobull[m]1: I am just pointing out there have been "marketing" things funded in past

Let's set a record from proposal to merge kek

+1 for selsta

jwinterm[m]: And they all turned out like shit

<3

so did lots of other CCS things lol

+1 selsta

jwinterm @jwinterm:magicgrants.org: new year, new standards

I havent seen the movie and wont beg or share my address to see it. If it cant be shared, it cant be voted on

we have another open proposal - comit swaps improvement - 6 thumbs up 4 down - but the sentiment in all the meetings has been to close

Does he expect everyone to contact him directly? Thats not how ccs works

I have an announcement to make before we leave. First ever Monerochan merch more elaborate than a mug or t-shirt: monerosupplies.com/product/monerochan-standee

leito has asked if they should close the proposal repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/355#note_20532

<ofrnxmr[m]> monero isnt even mentioned in the movie <<>> not a fact

monero is mentioned 14 times in the movie

That doesn't count

(i did not count)

monero isn't mentioned in any of the dialogues

but in songs playing in the strip club, correct me if I'm wrong

you are wrong

monerobull[m]1: expensive :(

and you only could pay attention to that because you know what monero is

Siren[m]: While Booba and cocaine

nioc: and your correction is? where is it in the dialogue?

ofrnxmr[m]: I'm not sure I 100% agree that he needs to show the movie to fundraise for marketing. In the vast majority of CCS the applicant has nothing to show at the proposal stage, and things are delivered as milestones, right?

I think he should, but not sure it's totally necessary

Siren[m]: when the coin was first shown

No company pays for ads this way

have you seen the movie?

With the ad already done but they can't see it

nioc: does he say "Monero"?

No

nioc: A background song isnt a mention

nioc: can you post it, I have not seen it

Its not in a script

nioc which character says Monero? did i miss it?

as I recall yes, Have you seen the movie?

hes asking for XMR to view it which is against the rules

nioc, send me it for free

I can't

prove it

link is gone

proposal should be gone too

cyrptobro movie I swear

s/cyrptobro/cryptobro/

Siren[m]: you are declaring things about something that you haven't see, that is my only point

plowsof11 probably has a better memory

Everybody want Elon to "say" Monero.

Has tweeted things like "is it fungible though?" Much larger audience and more direct than the movie

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Everybody want Elon to "say" Monero.

>

> Has tweeted things like "is it fungible though?" Much larger audience and more direct than the movie

Elon tweeted "CryptoNote"

Why memory?

monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org: also the fungible line

I think all points have been made on this CCS proposals and core needs to decide what to do with it

nioc im struggling to remember anyone actually saying the term monero (other than the song) i would hope to be corrected if wrong, but my memory cant remember that

s/proposals/proposal/

<plowsof11> "leito has asked if they should..." <- i agree with close for now, re-open a more organized ccs after showing work

nioc: Yes I have not seen it and I will not pay for it but the director himself says that it's not in dialogue repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/371#note_20475

thanks hinto

also plowsof and monerobull and others saw it

and they did not hear monero in a dialogue

I trust them, yes

150XMR for a single word, would still be lmao

If you're saying that you heard it, you should post a timestamp or a clip

I have a question and want your opinion before i embarrass myself with a ccs proposal

now im scared if ive been misleading everyone , but i genuinely did not hear it

otherwise I don't believe you

Just close lol

* close lol, its a scam

if even the people whose ears are conditioned to heard the word "monero" missed it, nobody will fucking notice it

Siren[m]: thx, must be the voices in my head

the movie itself is high "oscar quality" (yes, i read the oscar rules ( from top to bottom))

doubt it

what oscar will he get if it will end up on the 1337x.to the second it gets merged

they have a requirement for the type of camera/film used and it meets the specs etc for a short live action film

so is selsta merged yet?

nioc: i just opened it lol

seems we've just went over time , thank you all for attending , AOB? there is an events meeting in #monero-events:monero.social in 2 hours

I just upvoted, can be merged now

oh wait, i was trying to resolve a ccs proposal with 0.2xmr in limbo

we need to say that it is abandonned first plowsof/ccs-wip-list #2

thats all

Donate to alpharabius

Kek

checking once again: has plowsof gotten paid yet?

We need confirmation plowsof

not ready for moneys, i have alot of testing for jberman to do, and lacking in site work

Good meeting everyone and great moderation plowsof @plowsof:libera.chat, dankon.

We need CONFIRMSTION, not excuses

This is bad ROI. Does our target audience even care about Oscars?

no, we don't care

How many payments have you had?

i have also not resolved anything yet, 1 payment , i have no problems

Your term is 3 months

That only leaves a few days :P

the CCS is just motivation for plowsof11 he is not actually getting paid

plowsof ccs is expiring?

^^^^^^^

Id believe it

no hours roll over after each period is claimed , so the beatings shall be renewed

Carrot on a stick

<3

Can we discuss the German translation

Merge it

Lets

Agreed. Merge

yes ercicione will merge as soon as he gains access to the weblate

Merge!

And donate funds to GF if we don't hear from the guy within a year

<monerobull[m]1> "I have a question and want..." <- What was this?

i do not want to perhaps waste time discussing the next steps until "its closed" i do not like to deal with fantasy

Translation is done, sitting only partially reviewed on weblate

plowsof11: I just low how translations were essentially dead because nobody realized the translation coordinator was AFK

per your feedback monerobull and another (if they wish to name themsleve) it will be merged

s/low/love/

so thank you for pushing it forward after a year

Siren[m]: meanwhile someone was raging at me for asking if I can submit a PR for some langs

Can we elect some lang coordinator some time in the future?

I've spent like 3 hours reviewing it and while it's not perfect, we can just merge it, better than leaving the video subtitles on YouTube the way they are right now

the german translation can be found in these issues, ive attempted to pick the issues that we can resolve together github.com/plowsof/ccs-wip-list/issues

They are only German for 2 minutes and the go to English

Stnby[m]: can we simply not have one?

let weblate or some shit merge based on votes

(realistically)

ercicione has a language coordinator in training called michaelizer but this is yet to be confirmed, there is a 'history' there im not fully aware of

as those lang coordinators don't care nor help with anything

other than locking themselves out

plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: what is the point of 6 months vs 3 months if it can be extended arbitrarily

Claim your milestones and open a new ccs.

how in the hell didn't ercicione notice that other one being AFK for so long?

voting would not work, If I translated something in Lithuanian. I am the only one in this chat :DDD

If you want to do it for free, lower your price..

my own failings have extended it, ive promised hours on testing/site (my gui contirbutions are ok though)

Siren[m]: thanks to them you will not have turkish/lithuanian/azerbaijani translations

soon(tm)

Low closes out his ccs after the months are up

Koe*

And opens a new one

What youre doing is just getting screwed into the 6 month deal. Unacceptable

motivation to pull myself out of it, when i have worked the hours promised sir

Research like Koe's always has less concrete deliverables, so it makes sense to do it on X months basis

plowsof11: not really repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…proposals/-/merge_requests/348#what

i have been busy trying to get a custom fee of 420.69 xmr on testnet for example

they need to pay you

^^^^

plowsof11: that's not in your proposal

Consensus says pay plowsof regardless of what HE thinks

ask them for payment

ofrnxmr[m]: Opposite of mj

thank you for the support, i would feel comfortable to get something resolved and finish off a few things asap

lol

plowsof11: if it's not about coordinating or providing feedback, please don't wait

i ave learned all the memes in -community also

I doubt that

ALL the memes?

Core release the funds to plowsof please. Thanks sars.

luigi1111:

I second Stnby: statement. Release the funds

Plowsof just doesn't want to redeem

Maybe he is threatened by them, you never know

I would like to submit a proposal (150 XMR) for conducting the monero sleep experiment on plowsof. We will keep him awake for the duration of the proposal.

Who is he proving himself to? Not us.

Thanks guys for your comments! A little be later to the meeting sorry! Hi everyone

We all (I think) agree that he should be paid

+1

+1

lovera your proposal will be merged asap

plowsof11: Actually I’m reading all comments ! Thank you for your support

+1 most certainly

Hinto, stnby, selsta, eudaimon, Ceetee, siren and myself:

pay plowsof

5 of my alts would say that

lol

golden0: can you chime in

how isnt he banned

I have already conducted a successful sleep experiment on plowsof11 resulting in an improved version

Because he was nice

He never left DM either

OMG why

he harassed us via PM

lol

can not forgive the emotional trauma he has caused me

He wont notice. Alpha was banned from here already

plowsof11: I'm now getting PTSD from certain words and phrases.

do we have a calendar with all the times for the "official" meetings?

There is a ccs for that

ceetee[m]: monero.observer/tag/calendar

monerobull[m]1: The Monero is the greatest privacy cryptocurrency. I am bullish so there is that.

monerokon meeting in 28min in #monero-events

Edit: the ccs includes events calendar, not meetings

Very cool those 3D concepts savandra 👍🏼👍🏼

Are there voice channels I can join?

there's an online vc monero space meeting every month: matrix.to/#/#monero-space:monero.social

it's recorded an public, you can find past talks on youtube

Check the "live" tab for most recent ones

Tldr meeting

I was late

But not as late at you :)

Gw

:(

meeting dates are under github monero meta repo

Timezone is the issue

I cant tell time, so I just never leave

Stuck in the matrix

<anhdres[m]> "I'm still trying to get any of..." <- I understand your objective, but do you personally have ads up for your local area on Local Monero? Lead by example could be effective as a liquidity provider in your local area in Argentina.

fr33_yourself[m]: I guess I could do it but only with cash, which is cumbersome and somehow dangerous here

I cannot do it at scale

I agree with your point though, I should lead by example

anhdres[m]: Even if your ad is only offering 100-400 USD worth of liquidity on the buy or sell side, that is really helpful. I've seen that letting people buy or sell some small amounts every now and again for cash at a small spread to compensate you facilitating the trade, is the best way to get people involved and see how it works.

Yeah I agree it takes people with lots of cash to specialize in offering larger amounts of liquidity per trade. I find it surprising that you think it would be dangerous to do for small amounts of cash? Couldn't you meet up in a public spot or "secure" location? Not trying to jab at you, I'm just curious as I have spoken with 3 Argentinian families vacationing in my area regarding crypto adoption and the economy there.

Unfortunately none of them had ever heard of Monero :(

Lol.

Free YOURSELF

Thats some shady advice youre giving there

Why dont I take up a job meeting people in dark alleyways for Monero

Well.. im a designer.

I contribute in other ways.

I also agreed to visit Argentina if Javier Milei wins the election lol

ofrnxmr[m]: Why not harvest people's organs for monero? And donate it to the CCS?

* Why not harvest people's organs for monero and donate it to the CCS?

If you've spoken with 3 families, why not get them to do the 400$ localmonero hustle?

ofrnxmr[m]: If we want Monero to succeed then Monero's blockchain needs to function like a bank and some users need to function like ATMs (until actual ATM's become a tried and proven thing for Monero)

* Why not harvest people's organs for monero and donate it to the CCS?

Hah?

Cent just make stuff up howvwer suits your personal vision

ofrnxmr[m]: It's not my job to convert sheep, it's to facilitate trade with the enlightened.

People =/= blockchhain lolz

fr33_yourself[m]: Just move to free countries that have normal bank with ATM... That have "operation without card"

fr33_yourself[m]: Gotta. Its anhdres @anhdres:matrix.org: job to sell monero to people who alreayd know what it is

That way you can convert XMR to cash as needed, everyone happy

Got ya*

When you speak of adoption, are you referring to children?

ofrnxmr[m]: It is true that I would personally like to see the scenario I described happen. However, if Monero can't be traded for cash in a discrete manner, then financial intermediaries like banks will always be involved increasing freeze risk and diminishing privacy due to metadata

Says you?

Monero doesnt rely on fiat. Your banking system does

Banks will be needed until enough people accept monero so you can't get away living without using cash, using only Monero

Yeah. What rav said.

The death of fiat or BTC has no effect on monero.

RavFX[m]: I'm not sure that I follow your argument? If to enter and exit Monero requires a bank account, then this will be a problem for people who need to (or prefer to) avoid banks.

I follow his argument

fr33_yourself[m]: Bank account?

I don't have any of that crap and have only Monero (that I convert to cash using banks ATM as needed)

ofrnxmr[m]: Notice how I didn't tell Andres to do anything, I simply made a suggestion. He can do whatever he wants, I'm just making an argument from personal experience.

> I find it surprising that you think it would be dangerous to do for small amounts of cash? Couldn't you meet up in a public spot or "secure" location?

Cmon

How many times you gotta ask before you male someone feel uncomfortable?

Go peer pressure your friends

Bank will be needed on one side of the trade until monero is accepted enough so you can just pay everyone you want with it.

Or to replace bank, you can do a direct p2p exchange, like, you meet the person and exchange XMR for Cash. But I think it's safer for anon and also not getting mobed to just use the bank ATM trick

And not sure what personal experience you refer to.

Are you currently working on "Monero Garden"?

Do you help maintain Monerujo/

Why should Andhres be EVERYTHING in Argentina?

You know 3 fsmililies and cant be bothered to do the job

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Monero doesnt rely on fiat. Your..." <- A person who wants Monero can only legitimately acquire it in three ways: (1) acquiring Monero via exchange for a good or service (2) acquiring Monero by purchasing it with fiat (this is merely a subcase of #1) or (3) receiving Monero as a gift. If there is not a cash market for Monero we are limiting individuals from acquiring or selling their Monero in the most privacy

preserving manner possible

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Bank will be needed on one side of the trade until monero is accepted enough so you can just pay everyone you want with it.

>

> Or to replace bank, you can do a direct p2p exchange, like, you meet the person and exchange XMR for Cash. But I think it's safer for anon and also not getting mobed to just use the bank ATM trick

I will not mob you if you meet up with me to buy Monero ;)

* Monero ;) just make sure your bills aren't counterfeit.

Siren[m]: You probably not, but some random you find on localmonero, I would not try

fr33_yourself[m]: How do you buy or sell fiat 🥲

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Bank account?

> I don't have any of that crap and have only Monero (that I convert to cash using banks ATM as needed)

How do you convert Monero to cash using bank ATMs? I've never heard of this before?

Free country

fr33_yourself[m]: Operation without card, all ATM in free countries have that.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…8027c2b23ba546751e9973f26e4ae658aca>)

RavFX[m]: Yeah I'd be spooked too. How I imagine that would go is that I'd pick a public location like a coffee shop. If something goes wrong, make up a scenario.

Public place is best option.

Be sure to have peoples outside on stanby in case

Yeah I usually do this when meeting up with fellow monero users irl :D

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Operation without card, all ATM in free countries have that.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…1391c5aa0b5802de01c72f40794d3b36a37>)

No it cant in USA LOL

I said

free country

Doesn't USA have no-KYC crypto ATMs?

> 1000 iirc

* .> 1000 iirc

fr33_yourself[m]: It's not avail in USA.

Localmonero, just read the ads or ask if the person do "cash at atm / retiro sin tarjeta"

Localbitcoins (use trocador), you choose "cash at atm" but sometime you can find more by reading the contracts as some people place these in "bank deposit" or similar kind

Also, ATM usually have camera, but if you think "they" might be interrested in you, then be happy, the great covid scam made it easier for you, you can now just wear sun glases, mask and hat at the ATM

RavFX[m]: This is a fair point, but there are also armed security guards positioned outside ATMs in my case. However looking suspicious is probably not sufficient cause for getting sprayed up haha

RavFX[m]: yewtu.be/watch?v=D-b23eyyUCo

I don't know, seriously just doing that since about 10 years ago (since I exited the system), never got any issue lol.

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> It's not avail in USA.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…70353ea5f39aa482c024c492a0956f1baf5>)

In free countries, you can also buy bitcorn / Monero at random convenient store, without ID (you can deposit in other people bank account from convenient store so it's compatible with most localbitcoins/localmonero offers)

fr33_yourself[m]: Yeah, usually the person give many codes in that case and sometime you have to do 2-3 different banks if the number is big

fr33_yourself[m]: Where is this? Dubai?

RavFX[m]: This is basically the reverse of the method you initially described for selling Monero via ATM correct?

But it's not a problem if you early enough in the morning (because banks also have limit of how much you can dump at ATM per day per account)

fr33_yourself[m]: exact

Siren[m]: Latin america

Cops also enter convenient store with there automatic weapons to buy a chips, just ignore them lol

RavFX[m]: I see. Well this can be mitigated if there is indeed a somewhat liquid cash trader in your local area. Apparently it isn't a popular idea with you guys, however the local individuals in my area are all vetted (everyone knows everyone) type of deal so things probably wouldn't go wrong with regard to violence in an in person trade

fr33_yourself[m]: Yeah, no problem really. If need big about, can just dump slowly over a week or something like that

s/about/amout/

In Latam some of the banks are all over the place. So if you move to Chile and don't want to violate you're visa, you can easily dump over someone in Venezuela and still get the money from the ATM

Venezuela are great corn buyer usually

And Rav how exactly does buying Monero work in your case? You said you go to the ATM and do an escrowed deposit trade for guy who is selling you the Monero right? So he will finalize the trade once the deposit shows as pending in his bank account? Once again, I find the idea of having the bank account being the bridge is good for reducing exposure to violence, but the guy with the bank account can get fucked if they get

suspicious and freeze his account.

To buy Monero?

The seller just give me his ATM card numer

Then I go to random convenient store and deposit the money into that card number

prepaid card?

Naa, I don't know, localbitcoins and localmonero user in latam seam to have too many bank accounts

If a code don't work you tell them and they give another from a different bank

RavFX[m]: I see, so in the example you describe here you are saying that the individual in Venezuela on the otherside of the trade uses a bank that also has a branch in Chile hence his cardless code that he generates will work at that bank's ATM in your location, Chile?

fr33_yourself[m]: Yeah.

exactly

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> To buy Monero?

> The seller just give me his ATM card numer

> Then I go to random convenient store and deposit the money into that card number

This seems to good to be true, like magic even. So you can go to a local convenient store and deposit the cash to their account even if their bank is not present in your country?

just have to use ATM that match the bank code. It work cross countries for some of them.

For example BBVA, is all over the place

fr33_yourself[m]: for that trade direction I did not try, I actually get paid in monero, I don't buy them.

many years ago I did buy corn that way but only from locals bank account

It you buy crypto from the locals, you are not violating you

you're visa, usually. The visa will deny you the right to sell shit to local

Hence my recommendation of dumping on Venezelan but for buying, do whatever you want

Huh. Well that is interesting. This still seems pretty complicated and not very user friendly for someone first trying to get their hands on some Monero. It may work and reduce exposure to violence, so for the nerdy cats who can't handle IRL transactions it may make sense. However, if my objective is to increase Monero adoption in my local area, then offering liquidity to people for cash is pretty straightforward for them

and for me

Jeez

plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: im a he ffs

Still interesting stuff though. But also it does not eliminate the risk for the banked individual getting hassled from their bank if the bank starts asking questions about where the money is coming from or where it is going. Yes, currently LATAM banks may not be anywhere near as restrictive and probing as US banks, but this seems like a funny view from people in the Monero community. I thought the idea of Crypto was to

completely eradicate the and usurp the utility of banks (at least for privacy concsious or libertarian inclined individuals).

To buy monero on latam.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…a8c7036191cbe73d3319b640349448af964>)

nerdy cats :333 OwO

Once enough people accept monero, we will be able to get rid of banks.

Until then, we are stuck with them, at lease in LAtam you can just use cash everywhere

Cash is just offline monero, it's as good..

put some respec' on anhdres' name fr33_yourself , he has done more for Monero outreach than i personally could ever dream of doing

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> To buy monero on latam.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…68f5848fe37f884f50457674528344699f0>)

RavFX[m]: Yes, but USD is not a good store of value and is not a full reserve monetary unit. The privacy of physical USD is greater than Monero as you mention here though

Monero is good store of value if you give the market your dollars when they are willing to give you the most XMR for them ;)

Yeah, for cash, It work as good for privacy.

but of course I prefer hodling XMR...

I usually keep one to two week worth of cash, no more

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Yeah, for cash, It work as good for privacy.

> but of course I prefer hodling XMR...

> I usually keep one to two week worth of cash, no more

respect 💯

plowsof11: Anhdres is very articulate. I recently watched his discussion on Monero Magazine's channel. I enjoyed it. Better than Raphael and Luke Smiths hehe. I simply put forward a thought. However it was interpreted as being a forceful suggestion

Better than?

All better than yours

It was definitely an implication that Andhres was not living up to your entitlement, I mean expectations

Implied that he should set a better example or some shit

Meanwhile you talk to 3 whole families and "dont want to waste your time on sheep"

Free YOURSELF. Nobody asked you to worrying about what andhres, or anyone else, is doing.

This is foss

Do it yourselg

s/worrying/worry/

Tldr: already doing his best

Wen clone

> <@andrea_togni:matrix.org> Hello Monero Community,... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…9b7d58efc3123333abe658327f04e45d3ef>)

blog.libertasbella.com/agorism-vs-anarcho-capitalism

the man wrote an entire paper the least you can do is research the question

<fr33_yourself[m]> "Yeah I agree it takes people..." <- I'm already public enough talking online about Monero to open up a whole new attack vector for the government in the future, I'd be doing something illegal, and I don't feel like the risk is worth it. But I did talk with several "informal exchange houses" to do so. I don't have the contacts nor the liquidity (sadly) to do such a thing myself.

anhdres[m]: Fair points

Duh

Whats your excuse?

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Gotta. Its anhdres @anhdres:..." <- I could do it, but it's expensive for me to replenish that stack again. We're talking between 5-8% to turn that cash into fiat into monero again.

Sounds like something youd be interested in

(Joking lolol. If I had to guess, sounds boring af to you)

<fr33_yourself[m]> "Notice how I didn't tell..." <- All suggestions welcomed. I'll see what I can do.

anhdres[m]: Yes, it's also predicated on one's ability to convert cash to Monero or accumulate sufficient Monero at a low price or exchange rate

ofrnxmr[m]: ^ fr33_yourself:

anhdres[m]: I only suggested it if it would interest you, not trying to tell you what to do at all. Sounds like it doesn't make sense in your case was just curious if you had considered it

<ofrnxmr[m]> "You know 3 fsmililies and cant..." <- Haha take it easy, I'm as lazy as it gets. It was too bad I missed the chance to speak at labitconf, that wouldve been great. Next time I guess.

<fr33_yourself[m]> "> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social..." <- You can deposit money into someone's bank account without id at an ATM. Incredibly. But that only goes for selling monero. I would never do it the other way.

anhdres[m]: Not as lazy as it gets :)

Nioc's cat might give a run for your money

anhdres[m]: You would only sell Monero for cash at ATM or only deposit cash for Monero? just curious why you would only do it one way and not the other way

ofrnxmr[m]: That's an epic cat

They are good friends

fr33_yourself[m]: If I put cash into someone else account I'm not disclosing my identity. It's their problem.

If the bank or the tax agency see cash coming from nowhere several times into MY account, I'll be having to explain where it comes from, plus the other party knows my identity

Yeah, I do prefer to stay totally bankless (that should work as long as there are peoples willing to have bank account on the other side of the trade, to generate ATM withdraw code or to accept random money)

> <@anhdres:matrix.org> If I put cash into someone else account I'm not disclosing my identity. It's their problem.

> If the bank or the tax agency see cash coming from nowhere several times into MY account, I'll be having to explain where it comes from, plus the other party knows my identity

I see. That is reasonable. However, Rav's method of you selling Monero for USD was that the party providing the USD would generate you a one-time code from their bank account, so that you can withdraw cash from an ATM from their account so it never taints your bank account or even requires you to have one.

I sincerely don't understand why or how so many people do so much p2p here with banks or fintechs accounts all the time. They're very lucky the government is very very bad at enforcing anything.

fr33_yourself[m]: I didn't know that was possible here

RavFX[m]: One day I hope to be as logically consistent and bankless as you :)

RavFX[m]: But super logically consistent is for me to avoid legitimizing banks altogether even as middle-men for on and off ramping Monero. If banks are legitimate then Monero is unecessary

fr33_yourself[m]: Banks are legitimate until enough people accept monero to be able to use monero locally, instead of cash, for groceries, rent, etc etc

anhdres[m]: I don't know if it is. I think I explained it correctly? Rav's mentioning of it was the first I'd ever heard of such a thing

But to be frank, even localmonero or sth like that is more official than it gets here. There are lots and lots of illegal exchange shops that buy and sell crypto for cash, not even publicizing.

We have 50% or more of the economy in black market, cash.

If people want crypto, they know how to get it. Or they can ask and fidn out fast

That vast network of illegal exchange is born of legal and historic restrictions to the usd

Now most of them, or at least many, deal with crypto

RavFX[m]: Banks are not legitimate IMO. I would argue that banks are the root of our current economic mess. However, to dive even deeper the true core root of the problem was that people chose to forego responsibility in securing their financial resources for the convenience of paper commerce.

fr33_yourself: Bank is a temporary tool imo.

It work find to be "bankless" as a way to teleport cash without ID (in latam). But yeah, they are also the root of many problem. And I think the more banks and states cause problem and scam, the more we will get monero adoption.

The states are the bank are a required tool for monero adoption. If bank go byebye tonight, people just gonna use bitcoin. You need more and more banks to confiscate people money on state request to help monero to gain adoption.

> <@anhdres:matrix.org> But to be frank, even localmonero or sth like that is more official than it gets here. There are lots and lots of illegal exchange shops that buy and sell crypto for cash, not even publicizing.

> We have 50% or more of the economy in black market, cash.

Maybe I'll be visiting soon. You're making me want to move to Argentina :)

anhdres[m]: <3

You can pretty much live on cash here, besides paying taxes or a few services

People will not switch to Monero if they don't see why they should switch to monero.

Let the bank and the state fsck them enough so they see Monero as the holy grail.

 

RavFX: how big is the monero community in Argentina and how often is it used, sorry if you already talked about it late to the convo haha

And since the peso is not a store if value, almost everyone has one or two or more of those trusted exchanges to access harder currency.

XMRPriest[m]: Non existent

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> fr33_yourself: Bank is a temporary tool imo.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…9be66f33f534de037fb7073a8ac4d1d93d4>)

anhdres[m]: I like in an undisclosed location in latin america, will not give more info lol.

Just use localbitcoins and localmonero to see offers in many locations

anhdres[m]: Lmao why is that

I don't know. Probably because laws here are more like guidelines.

Sounds like a perfect place for adoption

It is.

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> People will not switch to Monero if they don't see why they should switch to monero.

>

> Let the bank and the state fsck them enough so they see Monero as the holy grail.

Monero is faster and cheaper than Bitcoin. Monero has private tx amounts Bitcoin does not. Monero is not reliant on rising tx fees to secure the network in the future. None of these features of supremacy rely on banks or government's existence.

fr33_yourself[m]: Yeah but everyone know bitcoin, because it's the #first, and the most publitized.

We need tools (states and banks scamming) to help people find better way. Trudeau Canada PM did help on that regard last year :)

anhdres[m]: Yes, every single individual I spoke with in those families said they immediately convert any earnings they want to save from Argentine peso into Physical cash ASAP

Argentineans are professional monetary prisoners. The governments know if they squeeze too much money just leaks out faster.

anhdres[m]: This is what the families told me too. They even said that most crypto usage occuring in Argentina is using third party or custodial services as opposed to non-custodial usage of the coins.

The OGs are the non custodial crowd. Newcomers haven't got their crackdown yet. But they will.

We're primed for self custody

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Yeah but everyone know bitcoin, because it's the #first, and the most publitized.

>

> We need tools (states and banks scamming) to help people find better way. Trudeau Canada PM did help on that regard last year :)

The whole brand name argument doesn't hold weight with me. "The market may be a voting machine in the short-term, but as time elapses it is a weighing mechanism." Meritocracy will likely triumph in the long-run.

People often do the easiest option because people are lazy on average.

That's the unfortunate truth. Many time I sold BTC in the past way early, p2p way by meeting the people. They where all asking me to send there corn to mtgox even if I told them they are going to lose it all, Guess what append? They lost it all 😂

Self custody will execute when state will confiscate from custody account or when more exchanges will exit scam

For example, almost no individual leaves usd in a bank account. They all have physical safes in the bank to store cash. In 2002 the government forcefully converted all usd in bank accounts to pesos at a exchange rate 400% worse

anhdres[m]: Exciting (for adoption), but sad that the circumstances have had to decline to such an extent to trigger logically consistent behavior. I guess that's how markets work though slowly, but steadily testing out the true value

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> People often do the easiest option because people are lazy on average.

>

> That's the unfortunate truth. Many time I sold BTC in the past way early, p2p way by meeting the people. They where all asking me to send there corn to mtgox even if I told them they are going to lose it all, Guess what append? They lost it all 😂

haha

It's all a sad story, yes

People always go to the easy option. unfortunate truth

RavFX[m]: I agree with you completely here. Especially so in the US

AIUI Argentina has a very long history of financial issues in large part due to debt

anhdres[m]: FDR rug-pulled all individuals who held dollars too :)

I rather argentineans used all that time, effort, and fees, to sail and discover new lands, not using buckets to avoid sinking

Argentina only have inflation issue right?

Do they began pillaging people bank accounts?

They did in the past

Not distant enough

We have inflation and devaluation

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Argentina only have inflation issue right?

> Do they began pillaging people bank accounts?

Yes, I think they pillaged accounts in the past. Some ladies told me there were bank bail-ins or depositors lost access to funds as anhdres said above

100% inflation yearly as if now

Banks offering upwards of 70% interest rates at least

anhdres[m]: anhdres question: what do you think those large physical USD cash swappers due with the hot potatoes (Argentine pesos) they receive? In such an inflationary environment it begs the question who ends up holding the stinky diaper in the end?

USA and Canada should pillage bank account eventually. That should give a really nice boost to Monero.

Massive inflation is also a good push to help people stay away from the scam

Just keep the minimum amount of local toilet paper (like Argentina pesos) for a week of living, no more

I find it all too sad to be frank, even if it boost adoption. But hey, if for a slight chance monero gets adopted at scale, I sincerely think it will be an improvement for the world

One of the people I met from Argentina said the black market swappers use the pesos they receive to simply by more dollars from their cheaper, and likely riskier or more secret, dollar supplier. But this only pushes the problem one step further forward as it begs the question of what the dollar smuggler/supplier does with the pesos when he receives them?

fr33_yourself[m]: There's a big spread between buyers and sellers

People also need to sell their saved usd to live, eventually

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> USA and Canada should pillage bank account eventually. That should give a really nice boost to Monero.

>

> Massive inflation is also a good push to help people stay away from the scam

Yes, I'm preparing for bank accounts getting seized or expropriated in USA and Canada. I think we are on the path to 1984 totalitarian surveillance state and the next step for the ruling class is to expropriate the capitalists (i.e. effectively eliminate the possiblity of private property)

Some prices are even rising in USD terms, it's really bad.

I know private property laws in the US are highly protected, it was take a lot for them to destroy them

fr33_yourself[m]: Yep, kind of why I left to latam many year ago. Could smell the scam already a decade ago

RavFX[m]: That's risky though, because if there are power outages I can't send my Monero. Also if there was a protocol level risk event you lose all your monetary resources that you have preserved on Monero's blockchain. Monero is not without it's risks.

In Canada you have to KYC all you're move kinda

s/was/would/

fr33_yourself[m]: I live offgrid, but fair enough, you should also buy some precious metal in case Internet become Splinternet

anhdres[m]: I see. that is true. I imagine cash gets turned over at quite high velocity there

anhdres[m]: Yes, that's what they were saying. They said it's not too bad yet, but that the people have learned to handle the inflation

fr33_yourself[m] milei is a fraud - he's not a libertarian at all

If you sell something for monero and the price is significantly cheaper than with US dollars people will jump through hoops to get a better price IMO

Don't need to be gold or silver, can be lithium (to be kept in mineral oil) or Cobalt or anything the future scams will need in masse

We'll see

Gotta go people, nice chat

RavFX[m]: A wise play indeed. Good foresight and you will profit from your move :)

XMRPriest[m]: What evidence do you have to support the claim that 'private property laws in the US are highly protected, it would take a lot for them to destroy them"?

RavFX[m]: Yeah it's more so that you just don't want to get financially reset to zero in the small chance where something critical happens to Monero.

fr33_yourself[m]: Yep until we repeal property tax there is no private property.

as2333: That's true! I was just reading his wikipedia page where he is self-proclaimed Austrian economist, yet also claims Ben Bernanke was the greatest Central Banker of all time. LMAO

anhdres[m]: likewise anhdres

Dal[m]: I think it is extreme to say that property tax logically necessitates the complete lack of private property, but yes this is my general view on the strength of property rights in the US. You are expropriated to finance various ponzi schemes with hidden kickbacks to cronies.

fr33_yourself[m] milei is a joke, and US agent. You should look up his connection to a guy called eurnekian - who is one the biggest crony capitalists here (owns the airports).

#monero-offtopic:monero.social

as2333: What is your exact beef with Eurnekian? I will look him up.

Starting to slide away from monero and into politics

<fr33_yourself[m]> "What evidence do you have to..." <- Private property is engrained in the constitution with the 4th and 5th amendments plus 100s of cases ruling in favor for private property

But yet you have to pay taxes for stuff you own

What if you don't pay the scamtax?

#monero-offtopic:monero.social ..

XMRPriest[m]: How did that work with FDR and gold?🤔

fr33_yourself[m] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduardo_Eurnekian

fr33_yourself[m] "Aeropuertos Argentina 2000," a consortium led by Eurnekian won a 30-year concession in 1998 to run 33 of the Argentina's main airports.

Lol well played and yes taxation is just pure theft

RavFX[m]: This is my point. Even if you are armed to the tooth and ready to die, you are outnumbered.

XMRPriest[m]: How well did these rights work for Ross Ulbricht?🤔

I’m not saying they can’t do it but depending on how they go about it and how they position the confiscation of private property

as2333: Who built the airports? More specifically, who financed the construction of the airports?

fr33_yourself[m] the government - who else

Does any of thus have anything to do with community?

Thus is s workgroup channel

Kindly shut the front door

fr33_yourself[m]: Drugs are still unfortunately viewed in a negative way, most sheep in the matrix probs supported his arrest and the government thought the means justified the end

XMRPriest[m]: Imagine this: tomorrow morning you wake up and find out your bank account is frozen. How are you secure? How can you pursue restitution? All they have to do is trump up false accusations and you are done-zo

And to go politics in #monero-offtopic:monero.social

Okay sounds good

XMRPriest[m]: The strong property rights you reference are there until their not. then *shocked pikachu face*

strong property rights in the US? LMAO!!!

>civil forfeiture

>eminent domain

and the other 'amazing feature' of the US 'justice system' is plea bargainig - which in practice means : no due process at all

They've moved to off topic. Please continue the convo there

as2333: