<j​oiboi.crypto:matrix.org> #BringBackOfrn

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Who is supposed to moderate matrix channel ? I'm a little dictatorial so community free speech annoys me

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Who is supposed to moderate matrix channels? I'm a little dictatorial so community free speech annoys me

<r​objharr:matrix.org> new member

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> i have problem with this community. common slogan is "money means money" but most people say that you dont hold xmr and must spend it. never hold only spend. one of the 3 property of money is STORE OF VALUE. if people cant save or hold in xmr then it not money and laundromat layer

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> i have problem with this community. common slogan is "monero means money" but most people say that you dont hold xmr and must spend it. never hold only spend. one of the 3 property of money is STORE OF VALUE. if people cant save or hold in xmr then it not money and laundromat layer

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think most of the community is referring by *don't hold but spend* to the important trend of creating a circular economy for monero, that would result in stabilizing its value and latter use it as a store

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> issue with this is the seller side always going to sell xmr. if they sellers dont hold xmr then its not a circular economy. most seller go from xmr->fiat dont hold

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Use it like money imo.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Keep as much money as you can but don't refrain yourself from spending, Money work when people hold some and spend some... You don't spend your back account down to 0 every time you get a pay check (I hope so)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> We need more market than the dnm shit anyway.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> But if you think about it, bitcoin began like that too, initial main usecase was dnm...

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> for monero to be money there has to be a way to hedge against it inflation. currently xmr is going down a lot if u look at the real value. money has saving account. monero...?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> But maybe when the admins going to add more scams, vendors will think two time before dumping all there XMR

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, I want binance price suppression back 😂

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> At least I can accumulate more on the way down I guess

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> maybe one day the admins will scam hard and people will try to run away to xmr

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> bitcoin initial usecase wasnt mainly dnm. it was used a lot there but it was heavily manipulated against trader this was the main one. one day bitcoin go from $30 to $2 because tether was manipulating price to scam bitcoin trader. this proof from CFO of tether

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> 1500x500.jpg

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> What a surprise

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> after this post btc went from $2 low in 2011 to $1000 in 2013. all of the price is manipulated bullshit

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, most time they print, btc go up.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> It's value is totally fake

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Love how there are people out there that just stick to a CC and think they are up to manipulating the world or whatever shit they imagine doing

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> same applies for some monero folks. They need to touch grass

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> exact price after this post

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/SzWEOGvSnwZuxxCgotLmEGGh

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Just waiting for the next massive sell off

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Normies lately began to ask me how to get the corn so I assume it's soon™️

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Or maybe big shakoff for the halving

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> yes but xmr is more fake and manipulated than btc now because of how illiquid it is. read the post again i sent from tether cfo. what is the biggest market pair for monero? xmr/usdt. the manipulation never stops))))

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, your right, it's easy to move the price right now

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> bitfinex also make post on xmr recently after attack on their blog. they watching xmr closely. i wonder why

<s​iren:kernal.eu> what if 24/25 was RavFX all this time

<s​iren:kernal.eu> now he larps as a bitcoin fanboy

one day bitcoin go from $30 to $2 because tether was manipulating price to scam bitcoin trader. this proof from CFO of tether <<>> nice proof. Tether didn't exist back then lol

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> shut up im not the 24/25 troll

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> there literally post from tether cfo from 2012

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> look at it

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> and this chart here

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> tether/bitfinex is what i refer to they the same

price manipulated? ofc it is

<s​iren:kernal.eu> > never stops))))

<s​iren:kernal.eu> sus as fuck russian smiley face that's so ravfx

only Cat doesn't lie

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> how im bitcoin fanboy when i say the price is manipulated and it shit?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> you're not a real one xd

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> im not ravfx but he cool

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Saw that one. obviously they like XMR

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I'm the only RavFX.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> And yes, my XMR palindrome homeserver still have totally open registration(zero p0rn asked).

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> And as I planned, registration will be closed soon

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> do you have logs from 24/25 guy?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I have some of his spam in a json file github.com/sausagenoods/monero2425/blob/master/2425.json

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> It's public room so what's the problem for login?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> As for my homeserver, it's as private as it can (I only see LAN ip)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> monerogoingto0 can confirm it if he check in "Edit devices"

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> It's public room so what's the problem for keeping logs?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> And encrypted chat is... encrypted

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> As for my homeserver, it's as private as it can (I only see LAN ip)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> monerogoingto0 can confirm it if he check in "Edit devices"

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> what an idiot

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> sound like a pajeet scammer

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I might have, from the IRC side

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> dont worry i read only a few and my brain cell all gone

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Logs should be, on my 486 😂

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> When I turn it on it load what's missing from my bouncer

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> PTSD kicked in

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, your right, it's easy to move the price right now -> why doesnt anybody move it up then ?

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> it literally went from $99 to $150?

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> how cant you see that manipulation?

what manipulation ?

i didnt smoke crack as a kid i gfuess like the xmrtraderz

whole sub has braindamage

real coins are dumped on kraken, not paper xmr

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> i agree xmrtrader are retards especially gr8ful over there

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> kraken has shit volume

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> bitfinex has more volume

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> usdt is 50%+ of the xmr volume. look at the post i sent earlier

Kraken has 4x the volume in xmr/usd and 2x in btc/usd

beating will continue until morale improves i guess

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> gateio xmr/usdt is $14,608,615

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> kraken usd is $1,745,009

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> bitfinex is $1,529,397 for usdt

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> + $383,608

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> for usd

it doesnt matter really...what matters isn that real coins are sold on legit exchanges

bitfinex 2x for usdt about the same as Kraken usd

shouldnt the Mm on kraken be out of coins at some point ?

maybe price is just...the real price

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> completely ignore gateio shit exchange with $14 million?

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> of usdt

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> yet btc volume on that same exchange only 200k?

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> when you have dog coins with a higher marketcap i dont think so

you could jujst pump prices on kraken then...and the manipulators would be pants down

wonder why that didnt happen ..

:)

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> same reason why btc is still going

ppl are idiots ?

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> why dont you just short the dog coins if there no manipulation?

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> we know they going to 0

im long all cats and dog coins

i like money u know

maybe thats why ppl sell xmr?

just a thought

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> short xmr too if that the real price

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> you can make money easy

thats what everybody is doing, hence the price

you should sell some too....or who is going to fight the manipulators at 100$ ?

be the change you want to see i guess

like everyone who belives price is wrong...come to kraken, trade some..help improve liq and volume

just sitting here talking about the evil manipulators wont change anything

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> you know the price manipulated because of the differential between cex fucking fraud price and the street price for p2p (localmonero.co/statistics)

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> 135.38 vs 128.09

<m​onerogoingto0:xmr.mx> you can arbitrage right? no because cex require kyc. monero users dont like using kyc

so you base your theory on some widget noone knows how its calculated ?