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<hardenedsteel:monero.social> did matrix.org defederate the monero.social?
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> I think matrix.org shadowbanned monero.social
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> It would explain why it seam to work except for message that dont get delivred
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<hardenedsteel:monero.social> so we don't know certainly, then its better to ask.
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Synapse have shadowban option for users, did not look for federation but if they have for users, they probably do for federation stuff
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<hardenedsteel:monero.social> not surprising, i can't join to #matrix:matrix.org
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nioCat
previously there were issues between matrix dot org and channels in addition to monero social
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<hardenedsteel:monero.social> i did able join but they cant see my messages.
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<siren:kernal.eu> That's not how shadowbans on Matrix work. If we were shadowbanned no messages would go through.
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<admin:monero.social> Hi guys, i made an european group if people wants to join
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<admin:monero.social> #monero-eu:monero.social
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> in both direction?
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<siren:kernal.eu> No
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<siren:kernal.eu> > <@ravfx:xmr.mx> in both direction?
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<321bob321:monero.social> Just ban
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<321bob321:monero.social> 🔨
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<zeus25sky:matrix.org> OLD LOCAL BANKS AND CREDIT UNIONS NEEDED FOR CHECKBOOK DEALS 🏦
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<zeus25sky:matrix.org> ALL USA CREDIT CARD 💳 NEEDED FOR INSTANT TOP UP
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<zeus25sky:matrix.org> ACH LOGS AVAILABLE 🪵
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<zeus25sky:matrix.org> LOGS FOR RETURN CC PAYMENT AVAILABLE 🧾
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<zeus25sky:matrix.org> VERIZON, ATT AND SPRINT NEEDED FOR IMMEDIATE CARTING 🚚
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<zeus25sky:matrix.org> FRESH MD CHECK ALSO AVAILABLE
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<zeus25sky:matrix.org> FRESH IDME NEEDED FOR TAX RETURN
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<zeus25sky:matrix.org>
wa.me/+2347083676583
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<zeus25sky:matrix.org> Kindly Repost *Fresh Zeus Toolz available*
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<zeus25sky:matrix.org> Fresh Yankee 🇺🇸, Canada 🇨🇦 & UK 🇬🇧 bank MD Check’s available. Return Cc Logs for all Yankee 🇺🇸Cc available,Cc logs, Ach logs , Bills pay logs wit , Direct deposit logs!, Unemployment states Fullz available for cashapp and benefit loaders!Dm Company Fullz!, Wire check log, RDP, banks and cc 🔥.
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<zeus25sky:matrix.org> I move wire check with just name and address! Same day delivery! Note: T/c applied 🔥‼️
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<admin:monero.social> ALL USA CREDIT CARD 💳 NEEDED FOR INSTANT TOP UP
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<admin:monero.social> ACH LOGS AVAILABLE 🪵
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<admin:monero.social> LOGS FOR RETURN CC PAYMENT AVAILABLE 🧾
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<admin:monero.social> VERIZON, ATT AND SPRINT NEEDED FOR IMMEDIATE CARTING 🚚
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<admin:monero.social> FRESH MD CHECK ALSO AVAILABLE
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<admin:monero.social> FRESH IDME NEEDED FOR TAX RETURN
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<admin:monero.social>
wa.me/+2347083676583
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<admin:monero.social> Kindly Repost *Fresh Zeus Toolz available*
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<admin:monero.social> Fresh Yankee 🇺🇸, Canada 🇨🇦 & UK 🇬🇧 bank MD Check’s available. Return Cc Logs for all Yankee 🇺🇸Cc available,Cc logs, Ach logs , Bills pay logs wit , Direct deposit logs!, Unemployment states Fullz available for cashapp and benefit loaders!Dm Company Fullz!, Wire check log, RDP, banks and cc 🔥.
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<admin:monero.social> I move wire check with just name and address! Same day delivery! Note: T/c applied 🔥‼️
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<admin:monero.social> Tap Link below to Chat Direct ‼️
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MajesticBank
ehhhhhhh that username
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<admin:monero.social> that what
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plowsof
lol
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plowsof
bad admin!
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<admin:monero.social> who said i'm the admin ?
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<admin:monero.social> the username were free so i took it
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MajesticBank
can you fix our issue with matrix.org also?
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plowsof
lolol
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(both accounts banned now)
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> Can I get help with repo.getmonero.org here?
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<hardenedsteel:monero.social> what's your question?
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> I also can't seem to confirm my registration with matrix.monero.social
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<plowsof:matrix.org> username?
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> I am trying to fork the CCS repository
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> eyedeekay
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<hardenedsteel:monero.social> did you try just using "monero.social" instead "matrix.monero.social"?
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<plowsof:matrix.org> and you created it on our gitlab instance (not using a third party account such as github?) checking now for that username
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> I did login using github
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<plowsof:matrix.org> can you try to fork it now?
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> Just a moment
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> Looks like that fixed it
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> Thanks
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> Something wrong with the SSH server? I can clone via HTTPS but I can't do anything via SSH
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<hardenedsteel:monero.social> i think @idk can't receive my messages because of matrix.org
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<plowsof:matrix.org> i have the same issue.. never had a local git working for the ccs repo
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> Bummer I guess I'll use the WebUI
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> OK MR posted:
repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/454 pretty sure zzz came in here to discuss an earlier version of this but I wanted to nail down the finer points before I filed the MR
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<preland:matrix.org> Wow, all the triple letters are coming in here 😂 welcome!
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<preland:matrix.org> Yeah, I talked with him back then about some of the issues I was seeing back then; the proposal looks good to me, but as you said, others should also probably look at it to make sure the finer points are nailed down
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> Yeah I'm going to stick around to help guide the progress, the finer points of making I2P and Monero's notions of anonymity line up will probably need some discussion
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<preland:matrix.org> That sounds good; most of the anonymity stuff is good, but there are still some sticking points that usually get glossed over, which doesn’t work very well here
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<preland:matrix.org> Also there is a lot of concern regarding Sybil attacks and using I2P; some guidance regarding that may be helpful (after all, with I2P being a closed network, it is a genuine concern, at least during the initial stages of adoption)
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> Sure that makes sense
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> As far as sybil attacks go we can offer guidance to support reliability in the event of a sybil attack and to maximize the anonymity you retain in the event of a sybil attack, these are actually fairlly straightforward in that they are just settings you give your tunnel pool, more tunnels means if you get a bad router in your path you have a different router to fall onto, longer t<clipped message>
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> unnels(up to 3) minimizes the chance that the attacker can get useful information about what you're doing or who you're connecting to
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> The kind of sybil attack most likely to affect I2P is an eclipse attack, so named because the attackers engage in an attack which situates their routers around a router which you need to use, usually one hosting a service, then denies requests to the service
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> This is when you would benefit from multiple or "backup" tunnels in your tunnel pool
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<rbrunner7:monero.social> With all the trolls, and the spam, and the federation problems, just what we need on top of this all is - tada! - a highly misleading user name. Genius.
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> Also a point in SAMv3's favor, you could hypothetically throw out unreliable tunnel pools in some circumstances and rebuild them
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> Unrelated, I see the phrase "blockchain flooding" in one of your comments, could you explain to me what that is in the context of Monero?
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<preland:matrix.org> The short of it is that Monero was recently flooded with an abnormal amount of transactions, which resulted in transaction delays, as well as some other Monero-adjacent services and public nodes being DDOSed.
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<preland:matrix.org> The overall effect isn’t the concern, as it was quite low, but the price of such an attack is (at a minimum of 20 piconeros per byte, doing some quick math reveals just how cheap it is to push data through the blockchain)
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<preland:matrix.org> If you want to learn more, Rucknium is the person to ask, as they are the one looking into the attack and its potential cause (which is still unknown and likely won’t be truly known)
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<preland:matrix.org> There are also some mitigations being discussed, but I can’t personally tell you what will happen on that front
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<preland:matrix.org> Anonymity wasn’t a major concern of the attack (I think; the attacker was the only one who’s anonymity was at stake)
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<hardenedsteel:monero.social> there's already written research about it by Rucknium:
github.com/Rucknium/misc-research/b…d/pdf/monero-black-marble-flood.pdf
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Yes hardenedsteel , matrix dot org wont see these messages until sometime next week
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<hardenedsteel:monero.social> I tried to ask in matrix.org room but admins don't give a fuck. I think its better to put warning about it
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<hardenedsteel:monero.social> the room's description can be great place
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<preland:matrix.org> Yeah, that’s why I told idk to talk to him abt it
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<hardenedsteel:monero.social> who is operating monero.social?
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> There has been no workgroup meeting today ?
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plowsof
every other week so next weekend synthetic bird, will put up the issue soon
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> alr
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<iso_enthusiast:matrix.org> Sup guys can I ask questions in this group?
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<hardenedsteel:monero.social> thats also a question
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> Thanks sorry I had to dip out earlier my hotel caught fire
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<shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> There's something you don't see every day.
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<preland:matrix.org> The bitcoin maxis strike again /j
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<i2pdk:matrix.org> Pretty routine evacuation just an interruption
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a CCS with no person or amount which makes it look similar to how bounties are structured
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there is much info and structure to the proposal in a way hat makes it look like a CCS proposal
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<preland:matrix.org> Oh yeah right that’s what I was gonna say before I saw idk uh
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<preland:matrix.org> What would be the long term effects of making Monero “amnesiac” (ie after some time the details of transactions are lost, and only the current state of the chain is saved)
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<preland:matrix.org> (somewhat important, as this could potentially make the blockchain significantly slimmer)
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<edisondotme:matrix.org> Your memory cold wallet wouldn't work after you get out of prison.
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what about the people that what the details of their txs?
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*that want
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<preland:matrix.org> What if it saved unspent outputs?
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<preland:matrix.org> Basically no XMR would be “burned”
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you must have amnesia sir, i received 1 million moneros last month. can i speak to the manager?
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> depends. If we're talking about recursive zk proof, already saved outputs will still work. You just can't sync them anymore from your seed only
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<preland:matrix.org> Basically, assuming that the end value of all wallets are preserved, but transaction history any further back is gone, would people see that as a positive or negative thing? I’m curious to see what people think
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I need the hx
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<shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> I purposely consolidate my outputs every so often and then move my restore height up in order to remove past transactions from my lists
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<321bob321:monero.social> That new i2p ccs talks about documenting. Where will that be stored ? On non existant docsite?
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<321bob321:monero.social> Also the proposor never heard of them. Bots could upvote
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<321bob321:monero.social> As in the first upvote could be the proposor
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just clone tobtoht (if he feels this is relevant to add to feather)
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when zzz discussed this here, it was said that using trhe sam api would be easier than packaging the i2pd binaries (as has been done for p2pool, which was also completed for approx 20~ xmr iirc). i dont know if easier means to complete or for things to use it.. so im totally lost in terms of figuring out if this is an estimate timeframe/cost
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knowing that there is a working implementation in bitcoin that can be used as a guide
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knowing if its an accurate estimate*
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preland was took up where devhyper left off (packaging the binaries method). but as mentioned in the proposal, this has privacy issues. im not qualified to comment on the severity of them mind
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<321bob321:monero.social>
geti2p.net/en/docs/api/bob
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<321bob321:monero.social> rip
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the person performing the task should make the proposal, its not our job to figure it out amongst ourselves imo unless the proposer would perform that task
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<321bob321:monero.social> nioc
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<321bob321:monero.social> sounds like intergating it with gui
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<321bob321:monero.social> i thought i2pd was recommended not java