Given #monero-pools is going to disappear from Libera Chat, should it get removed from getmonero.org/community/hangouts and be Matrix-only?

until whatever solution is found

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DataHoarder we can make an issue about it, most likely replaced with monero-mining room on matrix (a libera room exists for it but im not sure about its registration status)

Why is -pools being removed?

continuous breach over the years of Libera's Network Policy libera.chat/policies/#unwanted-content-and-behaviour

finally hit the threshold so it's being removed by Libera staff

Cornfeed strikes again?

not related

it's Libera staff

given that channel has been the source of many infractions over the years, no surprise

cornfeed strikes again

Anyway, thats what happens when mods moderate offtopic but pretent pools dont exist

no actually it supposedly is the libera admins this time. But cornfeed in over in -pools pretending to be morally superior

he is morally superior tho /s

Pools has been a cesspool for yrs, but everyone just made it an exception (while over-policing offtopic)

please we prefer the term pool of cess

Dude they are shutting the channel down with a short notice. I think that's an exceptional exception.

I'm not surprised that -pools is getting axe, but its part of why mods needs to stop power tripping and being biased

ofrnxmr: it probably would have been fine until you went to support channels and threw a fit about free speech

ofrnxmr: it is very possible that you are the reason this is happening

maybe if we didnt have mods killing offtopic bridge and users getting k-lined, and answer when being questiond, then there would have been to need to ask about your ops

i never mentioned -pools, i mentioned that we had some unknown mod going overboard in offtopic

And arent you the one who reported users to them? Lol

ofrnxmr: why did you get us shut down. Shame on you :/

I asked a question. Cornfeed reported ppl

ofrnxmr: no, you are grasping at straws. I never reached out to staff about -pools. it's not my channel

ofrnxmr: you have continually made up bs

I never reached out about pools, not did i report anyome

it's not ofrnxmr it's probably cornfeedhobo

this is dumb

ofrnxmr: look, make up what ever you want. I've never messed with any other channels. you went to staff to complain, and then staff reached out to me about -pools. I tried to save -pools, but then you guys went super nova and bugged staff even more.

but sounds good plowsof

staff reached out to you about pools and then pools shutdown

ok

yes. i've been on this network a very long time. they have seen me around. and that is the last i'm going to say on the matter.

hero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ""<c​ornfeedhobo> you did break libera rules and i did have a conversation with libera already""

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i dont need to make up anything

i literally just said i spoke with staff. like you're posting a revelation.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> you claimed you didnt report anyone, but you were having convos with libera staff about what??

also, related to previous conversations during last summer plowsof, the New(TM) bridge is going to go through some testing first on P2Pool channels once pigeons has the appservice enabled. Should allow for opt-in double puppeting on IRC (and everything will be a puppet on Matrix side), and map more events nicely

Source code is WiP and on git.gammaspectra.live/WeebDataHoarder/matirc

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You also JUST said you spoke with staff _after_ i complained about your trash moderation. But your quoted statement predates me asking them about the kline

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> weasle fuck, don't try to spin your stitching onto me

o​frnxmr: you can spend all night combing your inconsistencies. i'm done responding to you in this channel. you are offtopic.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Snitching*, go kline yourself

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Do something about it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fact: you posted "<c​ornfeedhobo> you did break libera rules and i did have a conversation with libera already" days before i asked libera who was controlling chanserv and if juliu was klined

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Everyone knows you're a weasel. I don't need to convince anyone. My consistencies line up just fine.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> maybe we should bridge to oftc or self-host irc and defed from cornfeed managed channels

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> oftc has dm's across the bridge as well

-pools I think as of this moment is getting set up on rizon

not necessarily permanent

note, OFTC channels are registered from 2020 by a no longer active person (due to Freenode transition)

so those are unmanageable

Rizon one was just registered by elucidator and once the dust settles it can be transferred or managed properly

If the decision comes out as oftc we can request it from oftc ops as well

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Old oftc channels?

I won't comment about this here anymore. Both offtopic and controversial

yeah, though OFTC network rules if you want to keep -pools as its current purpose/topics could find itself in conflict with OFTC policy on "No hate speech"

hate speech is however the ones in charge want to interpret it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> -pools needs moderation, that goes without saying

it doesn't

it was chill

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Without moderation it shouldnt have been on getmonero as a mining channel

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its not exactly a good place for normal ppl to show up looking for help mining. But getmonero advertises it as such

there are pool operators there

And even the most incompetent people got help there by pushing it message by message. Unless they smell like a malicious miner.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah, but and you _can_ find help there, but its not a nice place if all youre looking for is mining

I meant help for mining

I agree -pools is not mining specific

I don't think moderation would have made more people turn up with mining-specific questions

Filled with nerds we talk about networking, Linux, kernel modding, android modding, AI stuff, web stuff and much more.

sech1 is there, M5M500 there, they can answer mining-related questions but most randoms coming in ask about gpu mining or something

the random channel noise doesn't stop the gpu hopefulls

probably doesn't stop people who know more about what they are doing

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> :sadface: -pools is where i first started.. with that kiwi web client. and it was fluffypony that responded to my cries of ermagerd why can't i get this working. but yeah, if a pools website links to a different room that ends up more user support focused, that'd be good

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<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the above types of spam are always redacted / banned by matrix mods

kayabanerve: Your slide mentions that a release candidate will most likely be released at the end of the year for Serai (pending audits etc.)

After this is released, how far off of mainnet are we?

Can one of the r/Monero mods approve this? reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1gqyiw…_is_a_friend_to_monero_not_an_enemy

I don't have access currently

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<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the above types of spam are always redacted / banned by matrix mods <<>> IRC sees them 4ever #nocensorship :D

I could relay a message "the above message was redacted"

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dEBRUYNE thread approved

I still can't view it

deproved it temporarily, please hold

the suspense!

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> dEBRUYNE: Please ask Diego Salazar: for when the full quote for auditing the entirety of Serai (60-80k LoC) will be ready and when they've scheduled it in. They have not been prior asked to perform this task, and aren't actually being asked now, but I am willing to avoid answering your question by pushing it onto Diego, the unsuspecting bystander.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Hi its me the unsuspecting bystander.

diego wen

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> hoping to get the quote done today

w0w

btw I know wen FCMP++, aka Rabbit, will be live on main net

wen the bear starts

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<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Diego Salazar: The monero-serai quote is distinct, I'm joking about a nonexistent request for a quote for the entirety of Serai :p

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> But dEBRUYNE: There's a slew of audits and reviews. monero-serai, our DKG, the processor, our ETH SCs. The runtime itself...

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> So it really depends on when auditors schedule us and how long auditing such a massive effort takes. It also depends on how long we have to wait due to organizing funding.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I'll also note that we are using Cypher Stack for some portions, which raises how Cypher Stack is currently over utilized and our audit timeline is in conflict with Monero's accordingly. We are also dependent on some Monero audits.

Will you be asking for quotes from other companies as well? Seeing that sarang now works for Alpen Labs, I’d be interested in knowing who at Cypher Stack would be tasked with the audit.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> geonic: For what?

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I'm not planning to ask CS for a quote on the ETH SCs at all so inherently yes, I plan to seek quotes from other companies.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Cypher Stack currently employs Brandon Goodell.

hi monero community! I would be interested in onboarding my local businesses to monero. Is there any pamphlets or informational material that could be used to familiarize myself and others with the typical arguments and benefits?

<h​yolobrika:envs.net> I'd also be interested in that

<h​yolobrika:envs.net> There used to be two shops near me that accepted BTC. Now there's just one.

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> mebbe this getmonero.org/press-kit

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> the Quick-Facts Sheet sounds right