<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Pot calling the kettle black. iirc, comit and farcaster came after 2019

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> comit-network/xmr-btc-swap 818e522 sept 2020

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Even kayaba's asmr was 2020 MerosCrypto/asmr aef2a9e

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So please, take your own advice. you dont even know who came first, but you talk about what "already exists" as if bsx didnt predate comit and farcaster

nice link from 2019 but it doesn’t mention monero once. BasicSwap added monero in 2023 so yes, comit and farcaster already existed

as the author of this article at least acknowledges: particl.news/bidirectional-part-ano…mic-swaps-now-live-on-basicswap-dex

maybe educate your team members instead of going all histrionic

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Monero never fails when it comes to drama.

neva

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> accurately displays public interest in xmr

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> As soon as you sell your XMR and call it quits, I think XMR will regain its position as one of the top 3 coins again. This is hilarious.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <g​eonic> nice link from 2019 but it doesn’t mention monero once. BasicSwap added monero in 2023 so yes, comit and farcaster already existed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> it was added in nov 2020, noob. Learn to use git

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bi-directional swaps were added in 2023. Learn to read

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> basicswap/basicswap 0e2011e

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Truth hurts

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Basicswap pioneered atomic swaps, period. And afaik, they were the first to add bidirectional swaps as well

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> If the chairs were full, then you were late to the party.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "<g​eonic> maybe educate your team members instead of going all histrionic" << youre actually retardes, Aint ya? i dont have a time. Ofrn's solo, idiot. Nobody works for me and i work for nobody.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dont have a team*

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> I always go for after party

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Without BSX, we wouldn't have had any liquidity for Wownero.

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Wownero the saviour

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> tecnovert @ particl did xmr atomic swaps in python a month or so after I was first ofrnxmr geonic

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Your initial comit says the opposite

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Maybe wrong repo?

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I don't know when it was merged into BasicSwap but I can personally confirm they've worked on it for yeara

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> MerosCrypto/asmr aef2a9e

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> basicswap/basicswap e242f50

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: ASMR follows the paper by about two months and was first.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> BasicSwap may have existed a year earlier but not existed with XMR atomic swaps.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Wait until Serai before becoming disappointed with Monero. All 'reserves' will be public and unrestricted. Arbitrage/LP bots will also be running on it. Then, you'll see the true demand for Monero.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I was just trying to share, regardless of BasicSwap timelines we can now track for years via git, I can confirm their work has existed for years.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Right, yes. xmr swaps were nov 2020, 1 month after asmr

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> That would track what I said :p

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes sir 🫡

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Also, googlemozilla, I posted my post in MRL. I meant to ping you but you aren't there.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> @kayabanerve:matrix.org Are there any developer fees that you earn from Serai, similar to those earned by the Ethereum Foundation from their fund?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> and heres link to kayas post: gist.github.com/kayabaNerve/dbbadf1f2b0f4e04732fc5ac559745b7

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> The EF got a premine, not fees. Serai has no premine/dev fees.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I'm unable to join the MRL room due to an unknown reason. The message states 'You are not invited to this room'.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> You're in lounge, right?

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Thank you.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its set to invite only 🥲🫠

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Probably best to discuss this there if for some reason you can't access lab

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Yes.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> > The point of the 10-block lock is for Monero nodes and for users to not be affected by small reorganizations which are accepted as part of Monero relying on Proof of Work. The Monero Research Lab did recently revisit this topic, doing a new analysis given Monero's current status, and came to the conclusion that 10 blocks still makes sense for now. I believe the way this would ch<clipped message>

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> ange is if Monero adopted a Proof-of-Stake finality layer.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> 👀

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Wrong room for this

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lounge or #monero is a better

tx for clarifying kayaba

got an answer to my question from the COMIT people: imgur.com/a/UhOoQa7

“BasicSwap has support for a ton of Altcoins (PART, Decred, …). Written in Python. No network privacy to my knowledge. Requires you to download the entire blockchain for all coins you want to use.

We route everything over Tor. Written in pure Rust. We do not require you to download the entire Blockchain. Mobile support is coming within the next 2-3 months. We only support Bitcoin <> Monero (for now).

It’s still a bit challenging to run a maker (to sell Monero, rather than buying)”

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lol, literally everything in basicswap can be routed over tor

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Maker support requires blockchain for comit afaik

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If by "comit people" i think youre referring to binarybaron, who literally _asked_ in basicswap matrix barely 48hrs ago about use of tor

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bsx even configures the blockchains, incl monero, to route over tor

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And i can use basicswap from mobile today (by connecting to a desktop instance's api)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Also its not complicated to run a maker for bsx - every user is a maker, which is why blockchains are required

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> binarybaron:

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Do you require bitcoin node for makers?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Funny that you list "PART, decred .." but intentionally leave out LTC, BCH 🤡

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its really no competition. Last i checked, unstoppable didnt even support smart fee selection and had badly handled failure cases as a result

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Privacy of providers on unstoppable is poor, if i understand correctly. You must select and swap with a specific provider. Bsx makers (and takers) can have new identities (or opt to reuse old ones) with every swap

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So "difference between unstoppable and bsx" = unstoppable is implementing features now, that bsx has had for yrs. Also, bsx has bidirectional swaps and support for coins that are usable, like ltc and bch.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "Also its not complicated to run a maker for bsx - every user is a maker, which is why blockchains are required" required is a strong word. Bsx doesnt _require_ blockchains. Its currently designed to use them to ensure trustlessness, but it can function without them if relying on an external source to pull on chain info from

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "no network privacy to my knowledge" is totally absurd binarybaron: . Do better when spreading bulllshit, kthx