<3​21bob321:monero.social> Should there be a rule for ccs which limits how much llm can be used in a proposal ?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> tobtoht x.com/MoneroSpace/status/1872476670319554959

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> nitter: xcancel.com/MoneroSpace/status/1872476670319554959

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> [@4rkal:monero.social](https://matrix.to/#/@4rkal:monero.social) x.com/MoneroSpace/status/1872476828839092444

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> nitter: xcancel.com/MoneroSpace/status/1872476828839092444

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Unstoppable money wallet. x.com/MoneroSpace/status/1872477104744665313

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> nitter: xcancel.com/MoneroSpace/status/1872477104744665313

you might be doing it wrong if your tweets need advertising. just saying

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> geonic do you call that 'advertising', you autistic moron?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> I'm paging the author of the CCS proposal tweeted out, that way they know they are getting some eyes on them. Feedback is crucial for CCS decision process.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Why don't you go work on your next best-selling indie movie, or go ask for more bullshit 'hit pieces' for Topia?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Best at recording calls without consent and growing obsessions over men online! ❤️

Ah, I see the true Christmas spirit of love and harmony persists even now, after the Holidays

<m​alori:xavi.lu> average rottenwheel moment

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> monderbull: love is in the air 24/7!

poor rottenbrain can only take criticism personally. stop spamming the channel bud, everyone here is aware of the ongoing ccs proposals

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> geonic since when are you a moderator in here?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Thus far the only person whining like a wuss about it is you.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Good morning and merry Christmas, Mr. Enforcerer!

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Forgot one!

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> x.com/MoneroSpace/status/1872671279574339615

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> nitter: xcancel.com/MoneroSpace/status/1872671279574339615

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Enjoy!

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> This episode criticizes us all. And I think it's worth a listen.

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> podcast.simplifiedprivacy.com/just-my-one-thing/index.html

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Could we host getmonero on ipfs or arweave?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> As an alternative?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Definitely not a full migration. How would normal ppl access it>

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Alternative would be great yeah

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Doesnt this, sort of, contradict the podcast?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And double down on our tunnel vision?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I didnt listen 2 the podcast (just read the description), but it appears to be pointing out that we have tunnel vision and that we forget that we are a minority who intentionally focuses on niche demographics. Following up with "lets host on ipfs or arweave" seems to double down on that

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i posted this on simplex earlier today, was arguing with ppl who had a perspective that monero users should maintain anonymity, and that without being anon "what is the point"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> > The world is a much bigger place than a bunch of faceless keyboard warriors. You do realize that most of monero devs, simplex creator, signal creator, etc are all public figures? Being anon is great and all, but at some point you need to reach the masses

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Actually it's the opposite monderbull

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Right now we gave all the control to an possible adversary (cloudflare)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> An adversary that have access to all the data (The TLS is not TLS for cloudflare intarnal lane, everything is in clear for them, that's how cloudflare work, meaning they perma MITM us)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Having more diversity in hosting (having mirror on different system is a very good idea imo)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Ideally just ditching cockflare would be a very good idea (But it make us vulnerable to DDOS)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> So for normie-net, would have to choose between MITM or "Can be DDOSed"

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> At least on IPFS, if you have a website, you can direct visitors to your domain and then your domain forwards it to an IPFS gateway. So to them, it looks like a normal website, but it's actually being hosted on IPFS.

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Something in the dns txt records

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Not sure about arweave

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Were not using cloudflared ddos protection on getmonero.org

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> He was complaining about us using Cloudflare and the reason that we use Cloudflare to my knowledge is for its denial of service protection. So I would think hosting it on something like IPFS or arweave would prevent denial of service attacks.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We use cloudflare for no apparent reason afaik

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We use cdn etc for ddos, and we have a lot of data usage. Cloudflare is uaed for dns but (afaik) not any ddos protection on the main site

transcript of podcast episode here: gist.github.com/sneurlax/084dcf4ce5d6b6c49c53010b9130d3a2

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ty

shitty transcription but it gets the gist across: cloudflare bad, they could be correlating transactions or replacing addresses and swiping funds (not sure about the feasibility of that or the context in which it'd be possible)

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> I can't stand this guy's voice. 😅

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> how csn cloudflare do anything te transactions? Thats peak fud

yea tbh this guy did not justify his assertions at all, it's pure fud imo

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Getmonero.org isnt some centralized node

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> What it sounded like to me was that Cloudflare would replace the address that the website would give you with one of their own and then would send the website the payment you actually intended to make themselves minus like a penny or something like that.

first off, they need to be able to make more from that scam than they do from being an honest business. cloudflare and other large centralized services are only likely to steal funds if they were compromised, they'd lose much more legitimate business if news of shadiness got out. my 2 cents

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> If you host something using the cloudflare tunnel/ddos protection, Then they essentially MITM you.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> What that mean is that you can have a site with a donate address and cloudflare could replace the address with another address, and when a user send fund to the address, would send it to the real address. Essentially becoming a "EVE".

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> > Does R we've have have all the answers. No, the R we foundation, they're on discord support. You can only get support for R weave on discord and at first the devs made you beg on discord to get to get an R weave name through the blockchain when they were in test. Net censorship resistance without privacy is just a permanent record of your thought crimes. If you're mouthing off a<clipped message>

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> bout the government and you're on R weave, the only thing that's protecting you is hiding who you are. Otherwise it's just a permanent record you can't undo. That's that's going around. How do they not see that Discord has no privacy? How do they not get it? Every one of these people from the Linux users with the socialism to the Manero with the cloud flare, to the Tom Woods with <clipped message>

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the Noster, to the Noster people with Damus leaking their key to Dave Smith with Gmail to the IRS, to James Corbett, Not seeing that, are we?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> what does that have 2 do with getmonero

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> I think he was just railing about us using cloud flare in general because it's a centralizing service.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cloudflare being used for ddos protection (mitm) is a problem with using mitm to solve ddos, not a monero problem, and has nothing 2 do with getmonero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Should we use a different dns provider? Maybe. But we're not using the cloudflare mitm. (Again, afaik)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The actual servers that host all of the infra are centralized tho. So..

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Well, if we did use IPFS, for example, then the info would not be centralized on one server anymore. And if whatever IPFS gateway we directed the domain to was to go offline or something like that, we could either set up our own IPFS gateway or transfer it to another IPFS gateway in rather short order.

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Idk enough about arweave to say anything

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i'm not seeing what problem this solves for the main website

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> And I figure that Git Monero is probably popular enough that it would be replicated enough on IPFS that even content pinning wouldn't be an issue, although that could be set up as well.

the important stuff that's on getmonero.org is also on github, gitlab, and multiple private giteas/forgejos

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The website is build from a git repo, meaning it can be redeployed in seconds on a different server

mirroring is first step towards decentralization but it's not really decentralization imo. if centralized services embargo monero then development can always revert to private channels like email (lol)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> How is ipfs good for privacy?

i don't think anyone would object to anyone mirroring getmonero on ipfs/arweave/whatever ... except now the person who mirrored it is now a MITM again

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Well, really nothing now that we know it's not using DDOS

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> But keep in mind that a lot of ressources that access the Monero are using cloudflare MITM.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I just checked Trocador and that one is safe too

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I guess the person in the podcast indeed just complain because some cloudflare services might be used (DNS)

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> To the best of my knowledge, it's not. It's good for decentralization.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^^

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> hem em hem

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I tested two of the getmonero IP

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> There cloudflare IP........

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Which domains?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> getmonero.org

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I was just ssl testing it

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/cXsIalBmjUvOWDJHdtClSzOC

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/SfQJJDmmVeMLOXJFCNGJCahx

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/RkbzihwLkfpMHRFxTJDEUXfH

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ccs, repo and docs should all be something different. I don't know the intricacies about how www.getmonero.org is hosted. iirc there a doc about it somewhere

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/BvwVyZfTGxOTYwUYrurpcAtr

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> 😂

<j​effro256:monero.social> Decentralization of those services is also inherently good for privacy since you don't have singular entities which can keep records of all activity and traffic related to that data

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not good for the privacy of the people hosting tho

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Similar to how running a node exposes you as running one. If everyone uses hetzner, then thats not exactly a solution to centralization

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If ppl use their home IP's, its hurts hosters privacy as well as allows an entity like linkinglion to run (or run proxies to) a majority of the infra

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah nah would listen the simplified privacy

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Wouldn't*

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 127.0.0.1

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Getmonero use cloudflare cdn

<3​21bob321:monero.social> And bounty use google certs

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> 😂

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, I remember

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> 10.something.something.something best node during the stress test

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> simplifiedprivacy.com/working-monero-nodes/index.html

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Oh, it's still there... He removed 192.168.0.?? but left 10.150

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> clipboard.png

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> So my node did Win again Dan node!!!!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Sorry CCS is google, plz don't sue

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Famous!

<s​iren:kernal.eu> they're embarrassing ngl

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I did made an apology not long after we posted the 192.168.* and 10.150.* and told him to remove theses.... 😂 And still did not remove 10.150.*

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> They are journalist that like privacy but have no clue about how thing actually work