[CCS Proposals] plowsoff opened merge request #661: koe: remove repurpose/closure note repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/661

New Year's resolutions revisited repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/issues/241

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<pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> cf tunnle's problem

<pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> speed ok?

<pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> 1-10s:very slow(about 50kb/s)

<pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> 10-20:to be about 1.5-2MB/s

<pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> then: 1.5-3MB/s

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<pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> The speed can be over 5mb/s

<pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> The speed and synchronization issues have been resolved. Next, we need to work out how to synchronize PRs and issues.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @pyxmr2025:mozilla.org: Cant forgejo do this?

<jpk68:matrix.org> Pretty sure it can, actually

<syntheticbird> no

<syntheticbird> it can synchronize wiki, but not PR or issues

<syntheticbird> idk why guys have this impression

<syntheticbird> iirc @hinto:monero.social even proposed to make a bot to mirror these on librejo

<jpk68:matrix.org> Oh, I guess it was the other way around then

<jpk68:matrix.org> According to this article you can do it if you have tokens

<jpk68:matrix.org> xrstf.de/notes/migrating-from-github-to-codeberg

<syntheticbird> Oh

<syntheticbird> it was in plain sight and somehow my brain just erased it

<syntheticbird> probably because i never bothered putting a github token of mine into my librejo account

<hbs:matrix.org> GitHub wiki should be avoided at all costs since it is impossible to open a PR on the wiki > <@syntheticbird> it can synchronize wiki, but not PR or issues

<user2570:unredacted.org> whats libjero ? > <@syntheticbird> iirc @hinto:monero.social even proposed to make a bot to mirror these on librejo

<syntheticbird> @user2570:unredacted.org: Anonymously sponsored Forgejo instance i made for mirroring all the monero ecosystem repositories and other monero-related purposes.

<syntheticbird> PostgreSQL database ended up corrupted because... well because fuck PostgreSQL. and the backup was cooked.

<syntheticbird> so it's dead

<user2570:unredacted.org> Wow anon sponsored with monero?

<syntheticbird> yeah

<user2570:unredacted.org> good idea

<user2570:unredacted.org> is there a link? and onion?

<syntheticbird> @user2570:unredacted.org: it was librejo.monerodevs.org at the time

<jpk68:matrix.org> Who owns monerodevs.org? Plowsof?

<user2570:unredacted.org> But do you plan to revive it or not? > <@syntheticbird> PostgreSQL database ended up corrupted because... well because fuck PostgreSQL. and the backup was cooked.

<syntheticbird> @jpk68:matrix.org: yeah

<syntheticbird> @user2570:unredacted.org: At the moment no

<syntheticbird> but I'm not closed to the idea

<jpk68:matrix.org> Honestly, if a lot of people check the instance, does it really matter if it's run by core?

<jpk68:matrix.org> e.g. if people with GH commit perms are willing to merge Forgejo PRs or something

<jpk68:matrix.org> It could be the "de facto" mirror

<syntheticbird> plagia rule

<syntheticbird> doesn't matter who is behind, if you're more famous than the original, you become the original

<syntheticbird> so yes, a mirror used by everyone can become the de facto repo

<user2570:unredacted.org> Why not have a comprehensive plan to abandon github and migrate to codeberg?

<syntheticbird> on librejo i enabled Github oauth2 because i wanted people to avoid having to make a new account

<syntheticbird> i know people are lazy

<jpk68:matrix.org> Would be epic tbh

<syntheticbird> @user2570:unredacted.org: at least half of the people in this chat secretly hates codeberg

<jpk68:matrix.org> @user2570:unredacted.org: According to selsta, core is too inactive for it

<jpk68:matrix.org> +1 :)

<jpk68:matrix.org> Not impossible AFAIK though

<user2570:unredacted.org> @syntheticbird: ok but why

<syntheticbird> @user2570:unredacted.org: politics, ideology

<syntheticbird> OH COME ON

<syntheticbird> plowsof

<jpk68:matrix.org> An "ethical" centralized service is a lesser evil maybe, but still an evil nonetheless

<user2570:unredacted.org> @syntheticbird: plowsofs name as argument haha?

<jpk68:matrix.org> It's a ping to ban the spammer

<syntheticbird> @user2570:unredacted.org: im just pinging

<jpk68:matrix.org> *for him to

<user2570:unredacted.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: ah ok

<syntheticbird> you just type the irc username for the irc user to get pinged

<user2570:unredacted.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: another possible option is Radicle

<syntheticbird> Radicle has been proposed a lot

<user2570:unredacted.org> bounties.monero.social/posts/207/6-…2p-tor-nostr-monero-project-zymogen

<syntheticbird> but it is still not ready

<user2570:unredacted.org> @syntheticbird: last time I checked it was not developed and suitable enough

<jpk68:matrix.org> Why not just self-host it

<jpk68:matrix.org> It would be so much less of a headache

<syntheticbird> @jpk68:matrix.org: it doesn't have CI/CD => dead

<jpk68:matrix.org> Git is already somewhat decentralized

<user2570:unredacted.org> @syntheticbird: exactly

<user2570:unredacted.org> is lack of CI/CD big broblem or can we deal with it?

<user2570:unredacted.org> Mor manual steps but anon contributors are much more welcome

<syntheticbird> its a big problem

<syntheticbird> its costly and secure setup is difficult to maintain

<syntheticbird> in forgejo case there is no github action compatibility even tho the syntax is similar

<syntheticbird> and you can't use VMs

<syntheticbird> or at least without a little bit of ugly hacking

<user2570:unredacted.org> how about Forgejo Actions

<syntheticbird> I remember someone in the forgejo general chat saying he was working on it, but really it is meant with docker in mind

<syntheticbird> @user2570:unredacted.org: I'm speaking of Forgejo actions

<jpk68:matrix.org> I think he means making yml files for those too

<syntheticbird> only two other realistically usable CI/CD for Forgejo are Woodpecker which has literally no benefit and fucking Jenkins

<user2570:unredacted.org> oh no Jenkins

<syntheticbird> exactly

<jpk68:matrix.org> I noticed recently that the GCC codebase now has Forgejo CI support

<jpk68:matrix.org> github.com/gcc-mirror/gcc

<jpk68:matrix.org> Plus GH of course

<jpk68:matrix.org> If enough people want it... maybe core would merge it to GH too

<jpk68:matrix.org> The Forgejo actions code, that is

<syntheticbird> that would be

<syntheticbird> worth asking in an issue

<syntheticbird> but someone gotta do the job of making forgejo ci and if maintainers aren't interested i doubt they will accept a contribution without guarantees

<jpk68:matrix.org> I can't ;)

<user2570:unredacted.org> yes someone gotta do

<jpk68:matrix.org> I'd be up for tinkering with it

<syntheticbird> catch a break bro its 10 minutes you've been typing

<user2570:unredacted.org> @syntheticbird: Someone can create a new bounty or ccs proposal for testing monero repo migration to Forgejo + CI . Is this a good idea?

<user2570:unredacted.org> Or would somebody do it for free? If not, then this might be the way to actually ensure and migrate.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No

<user2570:unredacted.org> ok :)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Raising money for something that wont be accepted is always a bad idea

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Just wastes donors money

<syntheticbird> what

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The elephant in the room is that CI isnt free

<syntheticbird> donors aren't just cashcows?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ..unless youre using github

<syntheticbird> weird thought

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero uses a fuck-ton of ci hours

<user2570:unredacted.org> wow

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Every pr, every merge, every revision

<syntheticbird> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: trust me, use my server at my gramma house

<syntheticbird> it is powered on cookies

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Our tests run for over an hour on each of them

<syntheticbird> free ci hours

<syntheticbird> Having a proper dedicated server for doing CI would start at 300$ a month

<user2570:unredacted.org> I didn't know we are that dependant on github

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Were nor dependwnt on github

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> But is m$ is gonna pay the bill, why would we switch to paying 20k/mth on compute at codeberg etc?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> We arent a dev fee'd coin with premines and VC money

<syntheticbird> github.com/Cuprate/cuprate/actions/runs/23438889064/job/68184076131

<syntheticbird> cuprate windows ci takes 2h15min

<user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Meaning there are other mirrors of repo just in case?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Everyone and their sister has a copy of the repo

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I probably have 12

<user2570:unredacted.org> Congratulation

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> for whay

<user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: well, I have 0

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> git clone github.com/monero-project/monero

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Can add --recursive to the end of that

<user2570:unredacted.org> yeah I know how to do but currently do not have a need

<jpk68:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: PRs

<jpk68:matrix.org> "Free" in the same way that Google services are "free"? > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> But is m$ is gonna pay the bill, why would we switch to paying 20k/mth on compute at codeberg etc?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> of course

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its only free for public repos

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> monero is MIT so who cares if m$ or google is reading, using, copying, etc the code

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> BSD*

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> theres also a public notice that m$ will start training AI on your stuff

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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I read wrong