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<siren:kernal.eu> Cool password geonic

<siren:kernal.eu> geonic you might wanna delete that

it must be one of my toddler's passwords :d

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> why not use llm to translate > <@plowsof:matrix.org> the loophole is that creating video content / running a site / contributing to docs is ok but direct translation of words e.g. x$ per word is not realistic anymore. the CCS was scammed years ago by a few machine translators

<plowsof:matrix.org> kiersten yep LLMs can translate but as of a few months ago, the best model still had some odd translations and required a human reviewer to make some small corrections and approve, weblate gives us a nice ui for that

<rbrunner7> I once refined a localization of Cake Wallet that was the result of machine translation, and one important theme there was the following: Some terms in connection with Monero wallets are so awfully specific that you best do not translate, but let stand the original English word.$

<rbrunner7> Example, for the page with the display of private key material: Do not translate "private spend key", but let that stand as-is.

<rbrunner7> Also, for the language at hand, it was a good idea to let wallet stand as wallet and not to translate to the local word for something that people carry around with money and credit cards in it. This may well depend on the target language however.

<rbrunner7> These are all subtleties that LLMs don't have any idea about.

<rbrunner7> I am convinced that for many users, a badly done localization is worse than not having one in their language and having to work with English texts.

<321bob321> Claude fable required

> 10:57:43 <br-m> <rbrunner7> These are all subtleties that LLMs don't have any idea about.

Even human/professional work has issues there

<torndev:matrix.org> x.com/unbankXMR/status/2074102889426080231?s=20

<ivan8or:fireship.rip> @torndev:matrix.org: funny, i had the same idea for a payment service a while ago but never followed through on it

<ivan8or:fireship.rip> dreadytofatroptsdj6io7l3xptbet6onoy…rad.onion/post/3dec6d8e586798580b8e

<torndev:matrix.org> @ivan8or:fireship.rip: XMR to everybody!

<plowsof:matrix.org> we are early for a payment gateway that uses xmrchains api with viewkey + address? exciting

<plowsof:matrix.org> @torndev:matrix.org: disclose your affiliation with that link - so far it looks low effort with no source and your opening message after joining the room (even though confirming payment with viewkey+primary address is overdone and nothing new)

<pw:xmr.mx> his avatar is some creature wearing a BTC hat.. nuff said.

<torndev:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org: Hi nice to meet you )

<torndev:matrix.org> I already built the service and public release is underway

<c99e:matrix.org> @torndev:matrix.org: cool project, but I have a hard time wrapping my head the kind of audience who'd use it. I run a service that accepts XMR for LLM tokens and rolled my own watcher via polling (for reasons). As plowsof said, it's pretty much just viewkey + address, not too complicated.

<c99e:matrix.org> Simplicity of the site is also nice, but you should consider doing a little redesign when time allows it. Claude / Claude Design often chooses cream backgrounds, orange primary colors, and italic mid-headings, subtitles above headings. Little bit of a dead giveaway 😅.

<c99e:matrix.org> @321bob321: If you want it, I got it

<torndev:matrix.org> @c99e:matrix.org: Hi man , thank you really appreciate the feedback. Application release is underway

<jpk68:matrix.org> You have a car

<jpk68:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/qSDnQDNxxxiXnHrTouDksOga.png (clipboard.png)

<jpk68:matrix.org> The Bluetooth device is ready to pair

<torndev:matrix.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: This is a perfect example!

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> why > <@rbrunner7> Example, for the page with the display of private key material: Do not translate "private spend key", but let that stand as-is.

<ivan8or:fireship.rip> @kiersten5821:matrix.org: i thini agree with rbrunner, its the same as translating any other technical word - for example you also probably would not want to translate LLM or AI if you were writing about those topics in another language

<rbrunner7> "translating any other technical word" Basically, yes. But again, it always depends on circumstances, the language at hand, and the context. Take your very example AI for artificial intelligence: In German there is a long-established translation that everybody will understand and that won't sound strange if you use it. It's künstliche Intelligenz, abbreviated as KI.

<rbrunner7> Other languages lack this, and you will probably stick with AI.

<321bob321> Languages have nuances that AI won't use

<remsee99:matrix.org> Hello

welcome

<remsee99:matrix.org> I’m here for Monerokon drama

still happening in the MK room :)

<@TheFuzzStone:matrix.org> @remsee99:matrix.org: There's no drama here. Someone lost the vote—plain and simple.

<@TheFuzzStone:matrix.org> But that someone decided that he was the owner of MoneroKon, who had a dream about non-profit angels who ordered him to keep fighting for the non-profit (but to get paid for it).

<@TheFuzzStone:matrix.org> Should I keep this little spark of drama alive?

<@TheFuzzStone:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/QjsNSqeylDCIHgoIFdrtWfyw.png (2026-07-06-21-19-02.png)

<@TheFuzzStone:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/UEjfizfYKIyrtZXiQkJFTGSc.png (2026-07-06-21-19-14.png)

<siren:kernal.eu> I don't like that dark.vegas joined right before all this. And the venue vote appears to be rigged. 4 votes from RIAT rest probably from dark.events?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i think this all just reinforces that mk7 will be hosted by orangefren 😃

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> cant just start playing dirty and then expect to win the respect vote

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/DqqJEivZjrQPXiqUkHIHhRyr.png (image.png)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i disagree with "kill the next mk"

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Agree. I regret saying that

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> the only thing it will kill, is ajs reputation

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> its akin to someone posting that shit from @monero

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> abusing his position

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> he has his own twitter account (i think). should have posted it from there

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> orangefren could have posted from that account, and didnt. ajs is just having a temper tantrum and using official comms for it. totally unprofessional and childish

you have a different bridge there? mk-relay lol

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> ajs is notably absent, after asking us to move to the discussion from MoneroKon room to here.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> pinging @ajs_:matrix.org:

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> im not in monerkon room, because ajs has always been like this

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> wanted to hold votes years ago on things we disagreed on (like how him and msvb acquired prague blockchain week assets, and planned to use TE for it.. before TE ever hosted a monerokon). and he kicked me from the room right before the vote, so he could have his vote without my influence

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (he lost there too)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> im guessing he wanted to move the discussion here, for a wider audience, since he cant win in the group that contains all of the organizers? @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> and wrt being notably absent, wasnt mk26 not supposed to happen? i recall ajs saying that he would not be involved with monerokon unless a)monerobull started a company that would be liable b) there was a nonprofit for the liability. he said something to that effect.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> kxdarkprague, never heard of ya. where ya from?

ofrn not justifying you being banned from the MK room long ago but that was during your more obnoxious time, you have grown since then :)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i havent grown at all, and i wasnt banned

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> or wait, yeah, i was banned, but only for the meeting

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> and it was from events room. ive never been in the mk room

<kxdarkprague:matrix.org> @siren:kernal.eu: Nope, not me, I abstain from all the votes. No clue who dark.vegas is either.

I hope that we all improve over time :)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> sadly, i hit my peak in 2023

<siren:kernal.eu> character development, new character arc > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i havent grown at all, and i wasnt banned

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> time for my villain arc?

<siren:kernal.eu> slay

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> The ostensible reason that @ajs-xmr:matrix.org cites for this community review, is receiving DM complaints after the unanimous vote yesterday. I'm curious if those complaints overlap with the Nextcloud vote that was held where riat and darkfi appear to have composed 9 votes for prague, but later were almost entirely absent in the MK room.

@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx's villain neko arc

<comradeblin:matrix.org> hi? wen vote?

wait, there is @ajs-xmr:matrix.org and @ajs_:matrix.org which is right

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @comradeblin:matrix.org: what are we voting on

<kxdarkprague:matrix.org> Polis 😁 > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> kxdarkprague, never heard of ya. where ya from?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> DataHoarder: underscore, pretty sure

<comradeblin:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I don't even know at this point tbh.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> can we make me president of the monerokon org?

supposedly next community meeting, wonder if ofrnxmr and plowsof know about it?

<stnby:kernal.eu> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Take the seat

re voting^^

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i dont know anything about it

<stnby:kernal.eu> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx for MoneroKon dictator, throw a thumbs up.

MK was first held in 2019 and was set up as a technical conference by the MRL people

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof hasnt relayed anything to me about a vote at a meeting, so not sure if he knows either

conferences have 1 purpose, networking

only reason I go

<ct:xmr.mx> @comradeblin:matrix.org: popcorn with sugar or salt?

<siren:kernal.eu> i heard @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org makes good jalapeno popcorn

🍿🍿🍿

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> @siren:kernal.eu: If you have to watch drama, better to do it with spicy corn

<stnby:kernal.eu> Tabasco on 🍿 is GOAT

<comradeblin:matrix.org> @ct:xmr.mx: butter

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> why not salted butter

I vote salted butter

<321bob321> Who puts sugar on popcorn

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> D: All of the above

<comradeblin:matrix.org> @ajs-xmr:matrix.org: Can you please explain the calling of this meeting so people know what's going on? I'm sure many are confused. (Even the people who were present at the vote)

<ct:xmr.mx> @TheFuzzStone:matrix.org: Typically the mk5 team would discuss posts like this before hitting send. This did not happen here, so to my best knowledge this has been posted by ajs himself.

<ct:xmr.mx> Regardless of what the post says, do not interpret it as a message by monerokon, but as a message posted by ajs' personal account.

<stnby:kernal.eu> Very important MoneroKon community meeting. Sat, 2026-07-11 16:00 UTC monero-project/meta #1417

<stnby:kernal.eu> Main question being: Should MoneroKon be converted into a privately controlled commercial enterprise, or should it remain a non-profit public-good initiative?

<stnby:kernal.eu> It will be at #monero-community:monero.social room must join!!!

<stnby:kernal.eu> @stnby:kernal.eu: @plowsof:matrix.org: could you pin this? Or anyone else capable.

<321bob321> Meta issue ?

<321bob321> Kon is NGO

<comradeblin:matrix.org> lol

<@TheFuzzStone:matrix.org> @ct:xmr.mx: Yes, I understand that. It’s always a good idea to take screenshots so that nothing gets “accidentally” deleted in the future, and so that the person doesn’t get off scot-free.

<@TheFuzzStone:matrix.org> Everyone who has been active in the MoneroKon chat room over the past four years understands perfectly well what he’s doing.

<@TheFuzzStone:matrix.org> He openly lost the vote. But he decided that he owns MoneroKon.

<321bob321> @321bob321: Ignore

<ct:xmr.mx> My reply serves the same purpose. Feel free to screenshot any of my messages in any public room

<comradeblin:matrix.org> @TheFuzzStone:matrix.org: mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/iCYVxMHyVaksViVZwyFwPSkR.png (image.png)

<stnby:kernal.eu> I have a feeling even in this 4k member room there will be like 10 people max voting :D. Unless all the alts wake up.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @stnby:kernal.eu: less

<comradeblin:matrix.org> @stnby:kernal.eu: I mean. that 7 still can be bumped by 3, don't get me wrong.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> it will me like 3 of those 7, + me nw

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> so he'll get one more no-vote

<stnby:kernal.eu> Who wants to add to the agenda ofrnxmr for MK dictator

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> its currently NOT a non-profit > <@stnby:kernal.eu> Very important MoneroKon community meeting. Sat, 2026-07-11 16:00 UTC monero-project/meta #1417

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @stnby:kernal.eu: yes, add that to the MK agenda please

<comradeblin:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Oh yes. Let's add that MK6 was organized under OrangeFren's LLC

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: TE is a non-profit. Mk isnt, iiuc. Mk is just a name attached to a conferenxe that is run under TE sometimes

<comradeblin:matrix.org> Under 6 months (or less), flawlessly.

<stnby:kernal.eu> @comradeblin:matrix.org: I only got to know that post conference :D

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> To paraphrase ajs "anyone can run a monerokon, it doesnt have to be TE"

<comradeblin:matrix.org> @stnby:kernal.eu: Didn't read the fine print, did ya? :D

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Supposing there is a wider "community" vote, what's to stop astro turfing the vote?

<stnby:kernal.eu> @comradeblin:matrix.org: Invoice had TWED on it

<comradeblin:matrix.org> @stnby:kernal.eu: oh lol

<stnby:kernal.eu> Much legal

<stnby:kernal.eu> Can next MK we accept SEPA or CCs?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: Weighted voting

<comradeblin:matrix.org> Did you make OF aware about the invoice thing?

<stnby:kernal.eu> Getting XMR these days is difficult chicken and egg problem. I went to MK to buy XMR

<comradeblin:matrix.org> @stnby:kernal.eu: If it will be LLC based, I'm sure OrangeFren doesn't oppose the idea of it.

<stnby:kernal.eu> @comradeblin:matrix.org: Yes but I doubt he will remember. I will remind when org begins

<comradeblin:matrix.org> @stnby:kernal.eu: Better to remind this month, so if something needs to be changed he can storno the invoices and issue correct ones.

MK7 was going to be an LLC, the question was.... whose?

<stnby:kernal.eu> We also need P2P desk

<stnby:kernal.eu> with curtains

<stnby:kernal.eu> P2P photo booth

<stnby:kernal.eu> It was shady to do the P2P trades at MK6 open area

<comradeblin:matrix.org> @stnby:kernal.eu: Don't you know that this kind of stuff is like cocaine? You do it in bathroom stalls instead of at the front of the venue.

<stnby:kernal.eu> I went to everyone asking if they sell XMR

<comradeblin:matrix.org> @stnby:kernal.eu: great way to start a convo next to someone in the restroom /s

<stnby:kernal.eu> Best deal I got was 5:30 in the morning

<wvrld:matrix.org> @stnby:kernal.eu: for the coke or for the xmr ?

<comradeblin:matrix.org> :'D

<stnby:kernal.eu> @wvrld:matrix.org: for the XMR.

bathrooms have built in privacy booths, very convenient

<comradeblin:matrix.org> (He had a worse deal on coke sadly)

<comradeblin:matrix.org> For real though, 10 PLN for 2L is no joke

<tomdooley:matrix.org> nioc: perfect place to buy a glorious whole monero

<comradeblin:matrix.org> Just one?

<@TheFuzzStone:matrix.org> It's boring. There's no drama. The owner of MoneroKon (a.k.a. Da Bozz) isn't participating either... I guess we'll have to wait until Saturday to see the main event.

<@TheFuzzStone:matrix.org> By the way, if you’re up for it, keep track of the number of participants in the chat, or create a bot to see how many new people join the chat by Saturday, their usernames, and how many of them will be those very “non-profit angels” that Da Bozz dreamed about.

<@TheFuzzStone:matrix.org> Have a nice day/evening/night.

<comradeblin:matrix.org> Oh the irony

<comradeblin:matrix.org> @TheFuzzStone:matrix.org:

<tomdooley:matrix.org> @comradeblin:matrix.org: just trying to 'fit in' a glory hole joke

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> monero-project/meta #1417#issuecomment-4897754422

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> retard booked an emergency meeting at the same time and place as the regularly scheduled one

@jykrwn_bot:matrix.org joined all rooms to track all conversations

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> did it bring enough popcorn tho?

@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: taking over a meeting is an effective way to inflate people attending

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> also adding emergency to the title

<comradeblin:matrix.org> ./kick ajs "non-corporate meeting raider"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> good marketing

<comradeblin:matrix.org> /s

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i dont like how the context flat out lies

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> > Since 2019, MoneroKon has operated as a non-profit Monero community project. On 4 July, the MoneroKon MK5/MK6 organizing teams voted 7–0–5 in favor of moving toward a for-profit model.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> this is simply not true

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> operating at a loss, is not the same thing as a non-profit

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> the translation of this into reality is

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "Since 2019, MoneroKon has not been self sustainable. As a Monero community project, it has required donations from the General Fund and CCS just to break even. After 2 profitable years, and the most recent conference, MK6: On 4 July, the MoneroKon MK5/MK6 organizing teams voted 7–0–5 in favor of no longer intentionally operating at a loss

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> #4 is also false.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> > 4. Question: Should MoneroKon be converted into a privately controlled commercial enterprise, or should it remain a non-profit public-good initiative

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> MoneroKon is NOT an entity. it cant be converted, becasue it doesnt exist

<321bob321> Tbh do people care aslong as they get there conference > <@stnby:kernal.eu> I have a feeling even in this 4k member room there will be like 10 people max voting :D. Unless all the alts wake up.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> It is has been operated by individuals, LLCs, and a non profit org. none of which are MoneroKon

<joel:kernal.eu> I thought "ajs llc" was also up for voting, why now all of the sudden it is bad?

<orangefren:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I should stress that me and my team were selected only to organise MK7, not to take over MK for good. We do not wish to "take MK over"

<orangefren:matrix.org> @joel:kernal.eu: Because nobody wanted ajs llc

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> monero-project/meta #1417#issuecomment-4897991560

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "hosted by ajs (4lice LLC) or as the Orga under MK Governance Framework"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> monero-project/meta #1413v

<jpk68:matrix.org> DataHoarder[m]: Can we get rid of the dumb tracking bots, please

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> not really

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> you can get rid of the known one, but not the ones that are unknown

<jpk68:matrix.org> Should get us 80% of the way there :P

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> out of the 4k people in this room, probably 3900 of them are tracking bots :P

<jpk68:matrix.org> They should just scrape monerologs :P

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> they can do one better, and just scrape the rooms from irc

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> im not saying "dont kick the bot", im saying, i doubt its the only one. iirc, matrix themself added a bot to crawl every room at one point

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> for a public room, i dont really expect there to NOT be people logging everything in perpetuity

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> also curious where they found the rooms, since there are a few with them not in it (yet)

Not up to me jpk68 but it is why I brought it up

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> personally, id probably lean towards BH-ing it, but just noting that its probably not helpful, since they can just rejoin with a less-obvious name

im logging everything everywhere sorry

matrix room is of itself a perpetual log that is available on demand to anyone requesting it off any matrix server

<jpk68:matrix.org> I know, it's just dumb to have bots logging stuff for no reason

<jpk68:matrix.org> Ones that aren't ours, I mean

<321bob321> plowsof: Compliance

comply first, comply often

<stnby:kernal.eu> @me:afk.pm: Hi, I see you are enjoying the popcorn too :D