<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> would anyone know how to extract a hash from FEATHER wallet .keys file?

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> lost a good amount - and don't have the seed (i accidentally deleted text file i stored all my info in)

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> i have the keys file. so technically, if i can somehow figure out the password i could still access the funds.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> however, the password is 20+ character, random characters, letters, numbers.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> was thinking of trying to use HASHCAT to brute force it.

the keys there are derived via Cryptonight V0

I don't think you would get there with 20+ characters

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> probably not, heh.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> ...but maybe good to keep the long game in mind on this one.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> any idea on how to extract it?

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> probably not, heh.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> my expectations are low.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> ...but maybe good to keep the long game in mind on this one.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> any idea on how to extract it?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> IMO you probably need a custom-written program for brute-forcing it. First, the encryption algorithm of the file is proprietary, and the check "Success, this is the correct password" is also highly specific - you would need to check for some characteristic bytes that a Monero wallet file *in particular* has to decide whether decryption succeeded. And as DataHoarder already said, w<clipped message>

<r​brunner7:monero.social> ith a fully random 20 character password probably forget it, for runtime alone.

yeah. I implemented the decryption/check and it also depends on ... version it was created

<r​brunner7:monero.social> I mean, frankly, we want to be it almost impossible, right?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> If anybody can just lift off Monero wallet files with a trojan and then sprinkle a bit of HASHCAT over it to open, that would be in dire need of improvement.

should use RandomX for derivation nowadays :)

there are Cryptonight ASIC after all

specially V0

"and don't have the seed (i accidentally deleted text file i stored all my info in)"

don't wallets tell you to write down your seed on a piece of paper :P

i mean the official program really tries to make you write down your seed

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> figured as much. this happened a while ago so every once in a while i check in on new possibilities of maybe one day being able to unlock it.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> recent recommendation was attempting with something like Haschat,

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> but also continuously imagining something custom to give it a shot with.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> as tech evolves, maybe one day it could be possible.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> older version, probably mid/late 2023ish.

never_ever_quit: if it's just uppercase and lowercase and numbers

the number of possibilities would be 62 ^ 20

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> nah, that actually would've been safer, haha.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> was working w/ encrypted textfile in sandboxed environment.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> had just done some wallet consolidating,

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> created new wallet/seed for storage of the funds, wrote fresh seed/pw in a new file.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> boom. txt file was obliterated accidentally when my laptop ran out of bat and hadn't saved it.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> usually always have backups otherwise.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> big mistake.

62 ^ 20 = 704,423,425,546,998,022,968,330,264,616,370,176

number of possiblities

if it's really fully random, then it would be much much higher than that

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> yeah, was a mix of everything.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> uppercase/lowercase letters, numbers, special characters etc. heh

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> the only thing i could maybe provide is a rendition of the 'style/gesture' of my key presses.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> i notice that many of the pw's i would make for wallets around that time (which there were many), would share some similarities.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> buy beyond that, nothing really. no keywords for potential bruteforce.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> maybe one to save for a quantum era.

well, yeah you're fucked

nah quantum is only good for key exchanges

quantum can factorize very large numbers easily

but it cannot bruteforce a password

infact, it'd be much slower than a traditional computer at that task

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> there's several pw i created from that era that have similar starting 3-4 characters.

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> would chances increase enough to make it worth a try if I was able to piece together a string of sequential characters?

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> no guarantee that this one had exact same structure,

<n​ever_ever_quit:matrix.org> but there is small possibility and amount is sizeable enough that i'd like to exhaust any options.

.merges

done

will monero-oxide ever have functions to generate wallets?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> #cuprate better place 4 rust qs imo

on IRC?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think so

yes, it's bridged

i'm just reading monero's source code to figure out how to generate a wallet

i really wish i remembered what DataHoarder said

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Cindy, what project are you working on?

a XMR gift wallet generator, it'll generate a wallet, listen for transactions, and then generate a PDF document (after the user stops it)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> old and offline version for reference @ github.com/xmrdotgift/xmrdotgift.github.io

<r​ucknium:monero.social> And you don't want to use `monero-wallet-rpc`?

no because that'd involve running a seperate program

ideally i'd want everything to be self-contained

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So you want monero-oxide to generate a pdf?

no

i already generate a PDF myself (through 300 lines of manually writing PDF opcodes)

manually writing 300 lines of PDF opcodes*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> so

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Whats wrong with wallet-rpc

it's because i have to run it as a seperate process and possibly deal with it wanting to store files seperately

and other stuff it might want

<r​ucknium:monero.social> This is good. Cindy can encounter all the `monero-oxide` sharp edges first so the rest of us don't have to.

true that :P

or i could run a WASM interpreter

with monero-wallet-rpc compiled to webassembly

i just don't really want to manage a completely seperate program running at the same time

Cindy: making wallet, you mean making the key material?

DataHoarder: yes

then that's just edwards25519 operations plus secure rng

deriving 2 private keys from a seed

i see

20:44:10 <Cindy> i really wish i remembered what DataHoarder said

i thought it was super complicated like uhh

it's in libera logs. I mentioned the ways you could do this :)

monero-oxide ofc also has similar things

biased hash to point or something

well. you'd use monero-oxide or mine which implement the underlying.

do you have documentation on how the algorithm works?

i can't find anything about how the wallet generation currently works, and i don't wanna dig into monero's messy code

example "NewCarrotSpendWalletFromMasterSecret" git.gammaspectra.live/P2Pool/consen…/monero/address/wallet/spend.go#L94

move this to #monero-community-dev

#monero-dev is for monero C itself

fair