<j​winterm:matrix.org> Is there anywhere to watch the Ukrainian guy anarchy video now?

<c​t:xmr.mx> nope. intentionally not uploaded.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Will be available slide by slide at my twitter acc

<a​khavr:matrix.org> x.com/akhavr

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Let's see how fast I'll be deleted from this channel? :)

<c​t:xmr.mx> you are free to publish your slides

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we also didn't call the police lol

<c​t:xmr.mx> yes

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Slides were online the same day.

<c​t:xmr.mx> again, I have no issue with that

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Complacent or complicit? :)

<a​khavr:matrix.org> x.com/akhavr/status/1801219472763572318

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> aren't you the one asking for the org to dox a non-speaker

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> look, i have nothing against tshirts and the guy who called the police is obviously the one in the wrong here.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i believe ajs just provided the same info available on the monerokon website and explained the situation to the police after you were already gone. we didnt call the police and i personally have no idea who even called them

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Guys, I've posted my feelings of this incident almost one month ago. In public.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> No one cares - I'm ok with this.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> But you know what was the favourite exuse in Nurember trial?

<a​khavr:matrix.org> "I've just executed an order".

<a​khavr:matrix.org> If you don't get it - I've failed to convey my message in my talk.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> I'll fix this.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Using this example, of course.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lmao what. holocaust comparison, really?

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Have you been in Bucha-Irpin after it was liberated from ruzzians?

<a​khavr:matrix.org> I've been.

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> > unironically compares disliking genocidal t-shirts to supporting the Holocaust

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> yeah ok

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i still don't know what we should have done differently

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> monerobull: if you want a non-troll answer for improving things for next year, my suggestion is to have an official policy indicating that t-shirts that say "Kill $DEMOGRAPHIC_GROUP" (including but not limited to "Kill Ukrainians", "Kill Muslims", "Kill Trans People", or "Kill Neurotypicals") are not permitted and will result in being asked to leave. It's insane that this is neces<clipped message

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> sary, but well here we are.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Well, I don't care.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> I've been telling ukrainian cryptocommunity for 8 years that they will get bombs on their head - noone cared 'cause "we've got the money and the state protection".

<a​khavr:matrix.org> So I'll extend my clairvoyrience onto you: you'll get boms on your head too untill you'll return to reality.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Feel free to kick me from this chat

<a​khavr:matrix.org> I've requested different change of policy: calling the police on any of the visitors shall

<a​khavr:matrix.org> - immediatelly kick you off the conference

<a​khavr:matrix.org> - permanently ban you from any further MoneroKon

<a​khavr:matrix.org> But if you want to be cooperative with thugs, who am I to tell you're wrong..

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you think we are the enemy but we really don't care for censorship

<a​khavr:matrix.org> If you don't care for censorship, where's the record of my talk?

<a​khavr:matrix.org> If you're afraid of potential legal persecution, you could publish just slide and voice. But you've decided to publish neither.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> So you're complicit. Period.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i didnt decide anything, wrong guy

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i didnt decide anything, youre talking to the wrong guy

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Sure. Nobody did nothing.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Learn the history.

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> Yeah, so 13 years ago I organized a conference in which one of the participants engaged in aggressively shitty behavior during the participation that would have been published on the conference website. We did the right thing at that conference by not publishing their content. Kudos to MoneroKon for doing the same.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> You have not a least ammount of understanding what an "agressive" means.

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> You're right, at least they didn't endorse genocide. My bad, it's not directly comparable.

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<a​khavr:matrix.org> This is genocide.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> This is genocide

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<a​khavr:matrix.org> I'm perfectly ok with you don't care. Because you're complicit

<a​khavr:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/HGEjaKRfwloqxbINgwfecmSj

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Be happy with ruzzian killing civilians

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<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i dont doubt it, no reason to post it in this room though

<a​khavr:matrix.org> OFC, nobody is complicit in anything.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> But where's my talk published?

<a​khavr:matrix.org> No talk online => complicit.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> And you had tiime to publish it censored. Now It has to be published uncensored. With t-shirt

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> id put it on my youtube channel if the tshirt isnt in it. not because i care about the tshirt but bcs we have fucked up hate speech laws

<a​khavr:matrix.org> I fuck hate speech laws, so what?

<a​khavr:matrix.org> What I have to do to protect my family if "hate speech laws" protect those, who declare their aim to hurt my family and property?

<a​khavr:matrix.org> You still don't get it

<a​khavr:matrix.org> If ruzzian troops moved mere 5km forward, my 2 teenager daughters and my wife would be raped and murdered. My two sons would be murdered.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> OFC before this they would murder me.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Now you protect them as $Dash people did - 'cause I may harm some $dash users.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Of course I hate ruzzian.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Of course I'd kill any one at spot at the conference if anyone would at least indicate a though for agression against me, my family, my property.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Yet, I've left your conference at notice of a potential conflict, just finishing my cappuchino

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> So anyways, what'd you expect to get from wearing the t-shirt on stage?

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> > Of course I'd kill any one at spot at the conference if anyone would at least indicate a though for agression against me, my family, my property.

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> Well thanks for confirming that it was correct to ask you to leave

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Or what is it you expect to get back from ranting about this in here?

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> Seeing as death threats are, y'know, not wanted at conferences

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Nothing? That was just a statement?

<a​khavr:matrix.org> What would you expect from t-shirt "USD suks, XMR rules?"

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> A retarded one while at it.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> good luck

<a​khavr:matrix.org> I'll apply for next MoneroKon and make public your denial

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Good luck getting the submission approved. 😂

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> > What I have to do to protect my family if "hate speech laws" protect those, who declare their aim to hurt my family and property?

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> Translation: "Kill Jews." --An equally racist Palestinian.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> So, would you call a police on a retard?

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Would you explicitly deny publishing a talk of the retard w/o caring of his ideas?

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Would you deny his application to your further events?

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Your fascist community already did or does this.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> No. Yes. Yes.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> I don't fucking care about your approval.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> It will make a better notice: "this talk was censored even on @MoneroKon".

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Oh wait, it just was..

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ok, now gtfo. Thanks.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> So, I make a conclusion that the #Monero community is as much retarted as #Dash community is. Or was in 2022 when they refused Dash Electrum because it posted a notice about the aggresssion.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ok, just leave.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Admins can kick me any moment.

hm

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> Also can I ask that a moderator please remove the unsolicited war footage that was embedded above? It's likely to traumatize people who didn't opt into seeing that shit when they joined a "Monero Events" channel.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ploooooowsoooooof.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> P l o w s o f.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Ah oh... It sooooooo hurts your feeeeeelings :)

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Banhammer bot isn't here. This is your fault!

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Of course, no one cares WHY this started

<m​asflam:masflam.com> why is the talk intentionally not published though?

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Where's my talk published?

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Why it was explicitly censored?

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Who the fuck called the police?

<a​khavr:matrix.org> I 100% sure orgs know the person.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Because of the fucking t-shirt? Retard.

<a​khavr:matrix.org> I have a hint but I don't want to claim anything I'm not ready to proove

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> More like "I have empathy for people", hence why my talk at another conference a week earlier contained clear content warnings for stuff that might traumatize people

<m​asflam:masflam.com> don't tell me we're not putting up the footage solely because of a stupid fucking t-shirt

<a​khavr:matrix.org> We've supported Dash Electrum wallets for years and as soon as it was against #Dash guidelines we've been defunded.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I would say so. So what?

<a​khavr:matrix.org> So, the situation is copy of the 2 yr old with #Dash.

<m​asflam:masflam.com> so it's a really stupid reason?

<a​khavr:matrix.org> You're same retards.

<m​asflam:masflam.com> youtube won't censor a video with anti-russian t-shirts

<a​khavr:matrix.org> Because it hurted someones feelings?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Thank God.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> plooooow

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> that was a speaker

<c​t:xmr.mx> yeah and he was baiting you all

<m​asflam:masflam.com> well, it's dumb either way

<c​t:xmr.mx> thank you for falling for it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you just gave him what he wanted

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> #monero-resolutions , as ive caught the tail end

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Anti Russian is one thing. Calling for assassination of a whole population is another. Don't play stupid.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Oh nooo, we fell for the bait, what are we gunna dooo.

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> plowsof: ^

<s​asha:monero.social> To see those of you defend the wearing of that tshirt is highly disspointing

<c​t:xmr.mx> shit situation overall, worst part is the drama it creates

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> sasha: agreed, it's ridiculous that apparently we needed a formal rule prohibiting such t-shirts. You'd think the community would be able to behave itself without such guidelines.

<c​t:xmr.mx> its a monero conference. If you are not willing to sit at the same table as any other moner user, you are at the wrong place

<c​t:xmr.mx> That applies to both the speaker and the caller

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> akhavr is a speaker? "Of course I'd kill any one at spot at the conference if anyone would at least indicate a though for agression against me, my family, my property."

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> though[t] crime? ..either way, strange/alarming comment

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> yeah, uh, not to put too fine a point on it, but this raises questions about the (lack of) vetting of speakers

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> @monerobull

<c​t:xmr.mx> As usual, ppl are louder online then irl

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i am alarmed and threatened by that statement knowing i could be murdered by a speaker if i make a wrong move

<m​asflam:masflam.com> i'm not defending wearing it, and i don't agree with its message, but it's just a damn t-shirt, the dude never actually did anything but wear it

<m​asflam:masflam.com> (before this chat)

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> given that some of my work colleagues, and some of my family members, are Russian, I would also be wary of attending a conference that's also attended by someone who said shit like that

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Not expressing my opinion about this matter, but the wearing of the shirt was against the law.

<m​asflam:masflam.com> in cz? i doubt that

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I'm not sure why his talk wasn't uploaded though

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> It is EU law, inciting hate. I posted the specific sections that prohibited it a while ago and I can do it again but I would have to look for it

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> rule of thumb: if someone asks to be banned, generally it's OK to give them what they want

<s​asha:monero.social> Sorry, defend was probably too strong a word

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> To be clear, this guy was an aberration. Everyone else I met at MoneroKon was nothing but kind.

<s​asha:monero.social> I did speak with him briefly and one thing i learnt is that he'd faced a lot of violence in his life. Seperate from that, I find that violence, if normalised, tends to breed antisocial behavior

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> sasha: sounds entirely plausible. Alas, MoneroKon is not the correct venue for him to get therapy. (I know you're not saying it is, just observing that he was in the wrong place.)

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> Generally speaking I'm fine with having a neurologically diverse attendee base. It's a good thing, even. But when death threats start getting involved, there's a problem.

<j​eremy_rand_tor19:matrix.org> I do hope that he eventually learns that ethnic groups aren't his enemy. Plenty of other people have learned that lesson.

<j​winterm:matrix.org> We're all dogs on the Internet

<c​t:xmr.mx> dont tell that nioc

<a​khavr2:matrix.org> Oh no, how that may come?

<a​khavr2:matrix.org> We're all snowflakes, let's stay this way and believe that the sun won't burn us to the ground :)

<a​khavr2:matrix.org> That was reply to matrix.to/#/!gclBVGbCMQJYuMOAYr:mon…org&via=monero.social&via=kernal.eu

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Wear sunblock people