Same

Just my two cents, but I strongly feel you should name the p2pool when it’s released from beta testing. The Esperanto word for pool sucks, but mine is mino and mining is minado. What about Mino? I like it. Announcing Mino, the new

p2pool for Monero!

Short. Easy to spell, pronounce, and remember, the three crucial qualities of any invented proper noun

IDK. p2pool says what it is. Not everything needs to be in Esparanto. Makes it easier to grok what it is and does for this familiar with the Bitcoin or other versions.

wow, 3 blocks in 48 minutes

Very bad luck

Hello

Can I mine with a single 8kh/s cpu on this pool?

On p2pool ? Sure, it's fine.

I read some reddit comments about the 300m difficulty and that p2pool more for big rig ownerd

Yes, if you want frequent income from it. Otherwise the hashrate doesn't really matter

so I set difficulty to 180000 but it set to 100000 instead

300M difficulty is still 1000x easier to find a pool share than a Monero block in solo mining

ok I'll let it run

2021-09-05 09:24:08.2069 SideChain status Main chain height = 2442687 Main chain hashrate = 3.089 GH/s Side chain height = 43958 Side chain hashrate = 31.097 MH/s Your hashrate (pool-side) = 0 H/s PPLNS window = 2160 blocks (+53 uncles, 0 orphans) Your shares = 0 blocks (+0 uncles, 0 orphans) Block reward share (est) = 0.000000000000 XMR 2021-09-05 09:24:08.2069 St

when I will start to see the hashrate after connecting client?

you see your hashrate in Stratum server status

Pool-side hashrate is not 0 when you find pool shares

I'll probably remove this pool-side hashrate because it's only confusing

so my miner is working?

sech1: or make if available -with-some-flag

you miner is working, but it's not synced with other nodes yet

Side chain height should be over 40000

god how long the sidechain syncs

does running it in a vm slow it down?

it doesn't seem to use over 10% of cpu

is it even syncing? What does P2PServer show in status?

now it's synced

looks good

one last question. do I need to run the miner 24/7 or can I run like only x hours a day? what I mean is that do I only get payouts for past shares only while I'm also mining?

you get payout when p2pool finds a block and you have shares in PPLNS window

so up to 6 hours after you find your last share

you don't have to be mining

also what is the "current effort" which is 2% for me currently? does it need to get to 100%?

it's the effort you spent to find a pool share

it doesn't need to get to 100%, you can find a share at any %

can be less than 100, can be more than 100, it's random

average effort should average out close to 100% after many found shares

thanks for helping and I'm sorry for bothering so much

Sorry but just to confirm, work done by a p2pool is persistent across stopping and starting p2pool correct? Such that it if p2pool was stopped for 5 minutes, in which a block was found, your work would accounted for?

if you mean your node by "stopped" then it's persistent. Your shares will be on p2pool sidechain and other nodes will keep it

so you can get a payout up to 6 hours later if you stop p2pool right after finding a share

Gotcha, thanks!

argh, block found was too late again :(

um what

I was mining for 1 hour before the block was found

and didnt get anything

I found a pool share 12 minutes _after_ the block :D

so didn't get a payout

mightysnowman you must have "Your shares = 1 blocks" to get a payout

before pool finds a block

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Any thoughts on what you might name the software sech1 ? Does something like Mino sound like an interesting possibility?

the name is p2pool

^This

Wouldn't setting custom diff always be preferred to be sure you don't have stale shares etc?

As network diff is already quite high?

Calling it something else would just confuse users

(Setting custom diff on XMRig, I mean).

if I understoond, stale share = uncle share = -20% less reward

but still you get paid for stale shares

you can also mine someone else's uncle share and get 20% from it, so it evens out

So custom diff has no advantage in making sure work is recorded on-time on the sidechain?

I understand diff well with normal pooled mining but want to be sure it doesn't act differently than I understand here.

I keep getting `[2021-09-05 13:58:37.556] net oldpc:3333 read error: "connection reset by peer"` error in my xmrig... and p2p looks like it's syncing

s/p2p/p2pool/

sethsimmons sidechain only records pool shares which have high difficulty. Custom diff only makes for better accounting in stratum server locally

Hey

is the height going down in p2pool?

No

but it's syncing from top to bottom when you start it

okay, thanks!

also do I need to forward tcp or udp traffic for p2pool?

<sech1> "Seth sidechain only records pool..." <- OK, so similar function to normal pool diff.

Thanks!

you need to open port TCP 37889 for incoming connections

and forward it on your router (if you have any)

Okay! Thanks

`192.243.103.185` new peer with this IP should be available

`2021-09-05 12:11:32.8378 StratumServer SHARE FOUND at mainchain height 2442755 with effort 100.001%` does that mean that I'll get a payout :D?

If a block is found within 2160 sharechain blocks.

right, and last thing: can multiple users mine at same p2pool with same username?

If that "SHARE FOUND" was before you synced, then no

you were mining on a separate sidechain

multiple users can mine, but each wallet address requires a separate p2pool node

cool, thanks!

ya'll should do more advertising for p2pool?

its better for everyone if more miners right?

not yet

After next point release of Monero when it has full support for p2pool

I don't understand tho how is it possible to update how cryptocurrency functions if it's decentralized

Can you change how visa does its thing ? No. It's centralized.

Here, everyone decides to update to the next version. If the next version were to add a million monero to me, nobody would decide update.

ooh makes sense

So it's down to a form of ad hoc voting.

but like what happens when half the world uses old monero and other half new?

Yes, that could happen. You get two chains.

That sorta happened before, where some asic makers were sad they could not milk the pre-randomx chain. Or the pre CNv1 or whatever it was.

But close to nobody followed them.

Because it was the equivalent of adding a million monero to the asic makers :D

Well, not quite, but you get the idea.

this is also what happened when BCH split off from BTC, and later BSV split off from BCH

and XMV split off from XMR

so far there has been no fracturing of the XMR community, so all such forks were zombies from day 1

why would I be against mooo getting a million moooneros ?

One more question, what is the probablility of finding a share with `diff 325M`? and 1kh/s

Maybe you'd end up the lone miner on the new chain then :)

sech1: sounds like you need to monero-project/monero #7902 to allow newer boost versions to build

need to cherrypick*

(or, I guess, rebase the branch against latest release-v0.17?)

wait so changing difficulty client-side doesn't make finding a share faster?

Correct

rebased

Finally got p2pool up and running on a VPS so my wife's old laptop can rest... it was starting to sound like a jet trying to take off (spinning disk + fans).

Still haven't got any payouts with my piddly 2ish kH/s, but I'm glad to be helping test and maybe I'll get lucky lol.

PoolVerificationMessage.POOL_DIFFICULTY_TOO_LOW... Error

Aww.. can't use nicehash on p2pool :(

Isn't nicehash a scam?

pretty much

jaska087 you can use if you set fixed difficulty

in NiceHash pool config "x+1000000" where you usually put wallet address/user

OH SNAP!

D:

thanks!

iirc sech1, you said it's okay to run p2pool in multiple locations for same wallet, right? Right now have some miners pointed to my internal p2pool at home and some pointed at my VPS IP.

yes, it's fine

Cool thank you.

status only shows for that particular daemon, i.e. if I get a pool share on one it wont show on other p2pool instance? Or it'll show global stats?

status shows all shares for this wallet

even from other nodes, because they run on the same sidechain

"SHARE FOUND" messages are local though

sech1: not sure if you noticed, but static builds (i.e. , `-DSTATIC_LINUX_BINARY=ON`) will fail "out of the box":... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…f8fa3e4fe4e42827ac73643a2ed8e53204f)

as intended

I'll use it to build release binaries

because it requires a specific distro to build a binary that's actually static

that's fair - are you planning on going the submodules route?

Probably. Is it safer to create my own forks of all 3rd-party code and point submodules to my forks?

In case 3rd-party repos go 404

I'd say so - i've seen quite often EnTeRPrIsEs (e.g. at my fiat job) "mirroring" every in an internal gitlab instance - even though the submoudules/deps don't explicitly point at them, it's archived there and _if_ necessary we could point at them any time

every dependency*

* quotes there on `mirroring` because you don't want an exact mirror - force pushes would not be appreciated :p

This is going to sound dumb because this is probably like duh, but xmrig switches pools automatically from the config if I stop p2pool on one or the other yay! So nice.

I just feel dumb for not ever realizing that and setting up a "backup" pool.

I hate how minexmr and similar pools are the first that popup on google and regret mining on it and now have pending balance there. It took me several searches to find this p2pool and other smaller pools that are better than big ones

Well p2pool on mainnet has only been running for a week I think, but yeah. Centralized pools with high payouts suck.

And I ain't leaving them my 50cents

895M means it should be a p2pool share. Check p2pool status

for what exactly should I look?

heyo, trying to build monerod from the provided fork and proper branch, make release-static errors in the end with multiple "undefined symbol" including strlcpy, and basically all ProtoList::* and similar entries. This is built directly from a debian:bullseye-slim docker image, with the provided dependencies installed

DataHoarder: `mkidir b2 && cd b2 && cmake .. && make`

s/mkidir/mkdir/

this is for monero not p2pool part btw, but I will try to make a default build via that

yeah I had same problem with monero

if that wont work let me know, I still have the history of commands

github.com/SChernykh/monero/blob/p2pool-api-v0.17/Makefile#L105-L107 seems like that's all release-static does

I'll try just release

but it have the static flags which are problematic sometimes

CzarekNakamoto[m: that didn't work?

release does not seem to have STATIC=ON

otherwise make would default to all

which... does the same but also builds tests I guess

I'll give it a try, anyhow, both should work

missing strlcpy means you need to ad libbsd in the link step

your build platform is probably not the ideal version for building. you should try a gitian build instead.\

Now that I'm running a non-NAT'd p2pool I'm seeing banned peer warnings for invalid JSON from random IPs. I'm assuming that's just someone port scanning or something not another p2pool peer?

you shouldn't open stratum port in the firewall for everyone, open it only for your IPs

if you want to make it open so you can access it from anywhere, I'd put it behind an stunnel, with certificate-based authentication

using your own generated CA cert and server & client certs.

Lots of words to Google, but thank you.

but reaally I can't see much reason to open the stratum port to use from anywhere

unless you want people to mine for you

it's not like you'll be mining while traveling on battery power

hm, I guess

it can be a form of donation - "mine to this IP:port"

I didn't have to open any ports on the firewall on my VPS, I was simply able to connect. Is this something normally that would be blocked unless explicitly allowed?

or web mining thing again, primo etc

random port scans will clutter the log, but are otherwise harmless

sech1: That's what I do c:

Sure pity hashes can point to quickbasic.xyz:3333 lol. :-P

hyc: web mining with almost 400M difficulty

Or to `mrcyjanek.net:3333` ;p

yeah I don't see it ever being competitive with ad impression revenue

I did see an interesting monero apache integration thing where you had to pay to access data, but I think it was a PoC and not fully fleshed out, but yeah web mining will prob never work.

though i could imagine something like a patreon site with long-form content

imagine that you send out the blog content in e.g. 80x25 screenful chunks at a time

lol

and the reader has to webmine for the entire duration of their reading the content

so at the end of one chunk they press a button to get the next page, etc.

I'm honestly surprised nobody has made a successful OnlyFans clone with crypto.

chunking like that to prevent just downloading the entire article and reading offline

hm, yeah a video site that streamed in realtime could webmine like that too

I think someone already did that with a video site, but I was just saying a site with web wallets for creators and easy fiat off ramps, so Visa and MC can't force you to stop letting your users sell smut. Web mining the typical video for it's duration still wouldn't be enough.

true, the mining payout is still too small

I once thought it would be interesting to have a sidechain that you could mine "site coins" for to pay for content. (Or mining "emeralds" or "tokens" for an online game.) Where the site operator gets paid in Monero by using their hashes to mine the primary chain. The could have people install custom tailored mining apps to do it. People play "idle games" on mobile, so I think they'd grok the concept.

PoW mining always reaches an equilibrium where total investment in mining equals total mining reward

I guess there's no way to build a system that requires e.g. $1 setup and pays of $10/hour or whatnot

So, for instance if you had an online MMORPG, while not playing you could use your hashes to gain in game currency and the game operator gets paid.

Every AV software would mark mining activity as a virus, no matter how much you sugarcoat it as a feature inside "X" product

I'm not sure that's always going to be true.

I suppose if you have a miner in a signed exectuable, it could be whitelisted

Right now yeah, but maybe not 10 years from now once crypto is more mainstream.

I wonder what happend to Avast and their Eth mining plans

I thought that was Norton 360

Honestly they should do it with a RandomX coin like Monero because the type of people that are still using Norton 360 installed by their OEM aren't going to be the same type of people that have a decent graphics card that's capable of mining eth.

I thought eth pos is imminent anyway

"if you had an online MMORPG, while not playing you could use your hashes to gain in game currency" - that sounds like a great idea, someone should do this

is that a hint?

It's a free idea, just make sure I make it somewhere in the credits.

I don't like pay to win games, and this is borderline.

hyc: platform was x86_64, just within docker. Indeed just not having a static build worked

yes, because sharedlibs enumerate their own dependencies, while static libs usually don't

I added a feature to gnu binutils to allow static libs to list their dependencies too, but it hasn't been adopted by any distros yet

The problem with the idea is that it's backwards; Many online games with economies struggle with making sure that there's enough gold sinks. You're actually giving your players more ways to bring gold into the economy by letting them mine offline exacerbating that problem.

QB: really? I find myself running out of gold all the time in Idle Heroes

I mean "real" games hyc. No shade intended, but the design of those games is completely different than a game like Diablo 3 or Path of Exile or World of Warcraft. Mobile games are designed to make you get stuck, Facebook Mafia Wars style; Zynga started this mess; they want you to buy currency in game with real money.

And I suppose then in that regard, If you could mine the idle heroes sidechain of Monero and get currency in game, you might want to do that. I'm honestly surprised there aren't any Android games with integrated miners yet, because I could see some of the idle games giving people it in game currency for their hashes by leaving their phone on overnight.

And I don't think it would be that difficult of an of a UX problem to sell the concept to non-technical people.

I'm not sure if that breaks the Google Play terms of service though. It's probably in there somewhere.

for the moment I think the UX would suck. on my old phone with 4GB RAM, the miner eating 2.3GB is always getting OOM killed because of so many other android background processes

We might need some new easy to use Qt thing that merge mines all the things.

I already mentioned the notion of a hash daemon, that every other process talks to

e.g. monerod / xmrig / p2pool

that's pretty much what tevador already wrote

of course I'd use a simple binary msg protocol and not http

over a unix domain socket

The issue isn't really the daemon but the chain of proxies.

hyc if you're running xmrig in Termux it's not going to be the foreground app, so LMK driver in Android will kill it before other apps.

right

another question, for p2pool, what is the directory where it stores any of its data files? For example, its chain state or peer listings

I assume current working directory but haven't checked yet - waiting for yet another monero node to finish syncing

looks like cwd to me

that is at least where the logs are ending up indeed

if so I'm set here, setting stuff up in containers for easier time updating

also, according to outputs from blocks mined, it seems like most of the hashrate comes from a single "entity" and the rest is split up towards smaller outputs

I guess we will see how it increases after it's out from testing :)

yeah someone owns at least 20MH

more blocks in average for the pool in the end *shrug*

Wait how long do I have to mine at 8kh/s to get a single payout?

I dont seem to get any single share in any block

Do I get a lot less than in regular pools?

no, it all works out the same

on 3khs it took me 3 hours

more here because there are no fees

# | DIFFICULTY | EFFORT % |

1 | 895M | 36.39 |

min is 0.0004 XMR, isn't ir?

which on average you will get at the same rate

just not at less granularity than that if I'm not mistaken

I got 4 payouts in last 24hrs, 3.5kh

mightysnowman 8 kh/s = 1 pool share every 11 hours on average. Can be 3-4 times more if you're unlucky.

Yeah seems like I'm unlucky af

it's kind of solomining but reduces the waiting times, averages things out

No shares for 8 hours

how does xmrig mine its dev shares? does it talk to your stratum server, or to one of its own hardcoded?

own hardcoded afaik

so you wouldn't have just lucked out and had your winning hash go to xmrig shares

not that that would work here anyway since p2pool has the target address

mightysnowman I mine with 30 kh/s and got payout only from 2 blocks today, and pool mined 8 blocks today. It's just bad luck

github.com/MrCyjaneK/xmrig-pack here is an donation-less package if you want

It's crazy how anyone can make a crypto related project, add 1% fee to it, release built binaries and profit since most people too lazy to open source and built by themselves

donation less? yeah just compile it yourself

aka "cli tax"

lol

I think it's fair, it's really a laziness tax

we spent cpu time to build this, pay :)

better than closed source and with dev tax

*ignores the countless hours and braincells it took to code it*

Interesting: paste.debian.net/1210539

half of p2pool was mining on top of this Monero block which ended up orphaned

but not my node

Bruh moment

Also what irc client to ya'll use

finch

Is there an irc client that stores history?

runs in screen on my linode, full history

I just don't reboot and don't close IRC, lol

mightysnowman: You can join on matrix ;p

I'm also on matrix and discord in case my IRC client goes down

there are a few mightysnowman, an alternative is to use a bouncer like znc to keep connected then your client connects to that

sech1: wait what, where cab p2pool discord be found from?

there's no discord, but I'm on discord in Monero channels

*no p2pool discord

No payout since 2441939 (36ish hours) on 2-2.75kh/s normal?

normal if you didn't find any pool shares

you can check logs for "SHARE FOUND" messages

Even then, I found a lot of shares that fell out of the PPLNS window before a block was found, so even though you see the SHARES FOUND, It doesn't guarantee that you'll get a payout, Tonux.

Yeah, I can see 4 shares I found since my last payout

So I found a share at block 2442711 and the pool found a share at block 2442828 so I should have had a payout from that?

if you restarted p2pool around that time, it wasn't a proper share if it wasn't synced

Right, can I filter out these in-proper shares from the log?

they're not different from p2pool perspective, just you were mining on your own sidechain until you synced

Although, I presume its the ones with dodgy effort percentages? Such as 50.005%, 110.011% (which appears twice)

they're different in the way that they have much lower difficulty, but it's not in the log yet

yes, exactly

Right I think I get it now, the only not dodgy one does appear to fit into pplns window for the payouts

Then at some point I must have loglevel-d 0 because I had another few payouts but can't see what share that related too

random question, does anyone know if CakeWallet scans coinbase outputs fully? So it can find the outputs from p2pool

Not yet, I checked it

got a few view-only keys attached there to monitor, would be nice

It needs an update

alright thanks

maybe a feature request would be in order

IIRC they use wallet2 API, so they just need to pull the latest code from Monero repo

any insight why this optimization was done (seems to be on Monero base too), given there are not that many outputs per coinbase transaction? or is this a bit more expensive case, given different way of expressing outputs

I can only theorize

probably because coinbase transactions had many outputs before, all to the same wallet

ah, that is why there is that mode where it just checks first output only

22:46 <@sech1> IIRC they use wallet2 API, so they just need to pull the latest code from Monero repo <-- yes, it should be just updating a submodule for them

which they should do anyway due to other fixes in 0.17.2.3

heh, p2pool.log is 1.2G, shouldn't have started it as it syncs

setup logrotate to handle it

shouldn't get that big after it's all synced up, either way

damn, 9th block found today so far

9 outputs

10 outputs

oh, clicked previous indeed

p2pool.io says: Current effort: 2956.54%

probably not right given we have only been looking for 11 minutes :)

it's me messing with api json formats

ah

neato

btw, I guess performance won't suffer much even without allocated hugepages on p2pool / monero part?

xmrig instances do have it elsewhere

they'll check PoW slower

so maybe you'll be losing 1 millisecond when switching to new p2pool block

:')

assumed so, then I can adjust difficulty from xmrig itself to send less shares overall to checker

with the hashrate here it should be no problem

p2pool only checks shares that have enough difficulty for p2pool

it just straight says "OK" for all other shares

this way you can have 1000 shares/second flood and it should in theory handle it

thinking about the other way around, rising from 100000 diff to about 500-800K

would probably reduce load on p2pool given enough hashrate

hmm

but share count indeed

yeah nah, cannot have higher than 100000 without losing share numbers

given actual difficulty of them doesn't count, just number of them?

more shares only matter if you want better hashrate estimates in stratum status

also, is p2pool / related repositories going to move to an organization on GH?

lol no

sad, no p2pool/p2pool then

it's already taken

RIP

was gonna say

I guess specific contributors can still be added on a personal repository

Pull requests from other people and me approving them should be enough

Hey sech1, I'm trying to build p2pool on Archlinux and I am able to do it and run it fine but it was sortof a pain mostly due to the libgss library which I had to symbolic link to libgssglue. I guess that is where Ubuntu and Arch diverge as far as packages/system libs go. Anyway, I'm thinking of making an AUR package for p2pool so it is easier for Arch users to build it in the future. I might have some questions on dependencies/build

process, if you are available here to answer.

daedera[m]: afaik you can just remove libgss from cmakelists

did you try that?

I didn't. I don't know what libraries are important and what isn't.

I can do that though.

I'll try my hand at creating the AUR package and testing it a few times in different environments. You can link to it too in the README.md if it goes smoothly.

I'd also like to setup a systemd service file so people can run it at startup on their computer without having to open a terminal and mess about anymore.

sech1: I mean, in the distributed sense, so there is no single point of failure, that said, project is in an early stage and could be carried by some other people given open source

it's git, everyone can fork it

yes, selsta, but given it's trying to make a distributed project that some might not double check (their issue, yes), having a bit better assurance there is sometimes nice

but yes it's open source and anyone can check it

Nice to see the submodules newly in the repo

I just had to figure out how to include them in my build script. Never used them before, pretty cool though.

I got three payouts today! I just refreshed my wallet.

It really is amazing software

Yup with my low hashrate it means that I wait months for a threshold. At least with p2pool I can get lucky.

How long have you been running p2pool QuickBASIC ?

Since 1 day after sech1 announced it was being tested since I had trouble compiling at first.

So $0.38 for 5 days haha.

Oh cool, started running it today and no payouts yet. I'm guessing it takes a while for the PPLNS windows or something.

You gotta find a pool share that doesn't expire within the 6 hour (2160 pool block) timeframe. If you have a low hashrate you kinda got to get lucky, but it'll average out over time.