is there a conceivable way to have multiple real spends in a ring. Like say 2/22 instead of 1/11

I guess I should ask if there's a known sol'n

Known solution to which problem?

IIRC artcurus has rings with more than one signer.

(though its security was found wanting IIRC)

of course it's possible to just duplicate the rings, but I'm assuming you want more space efficiency than that

and probably compute

Oh, about XMR-BCH atomic swaps? I talked with kayabaNerve and they think that it is probably possible. BCH fixed transaction malleability through non-SegWit means.

See bitcoincashresearch.org/t/monero-bch-atomic-swaps/545

I'm not even thinking of space, just that, having two rings 1/11 seems to reveal more information than having 2/22, even if with 2/22 you *know* there's two real ones

I'm not sure if it can be determined from outside how many 'real' spends there are tho, and if not then I guess allowing 2/22 would mean not being able to really enforce ring size by consensus

mmmm, now I'm wondering if the current protocol would allow a 2/11 transaction (spending two real outputs in a single ring)

but it sounds like nah

I just told you how it's possible...

you certainly know how many real spends though

sorry I guess I didn't follow what you meant by duplicate the rings

two identical 22 member rings, sign one with one key, sign the other with the other

ohhh I see I see, interesting

Is the Matrix-IRC bridge broken? Seems like Matrix can see IRC, but not the reverse.

you mean like see you? or something else

Oops, Ok I guess my comments were just ignored haha

:D