<bbmatrix:matrix.org> Hi, could someone give me a hint? How could I get the Secret Key from a transaction I did on Feather Wallet using my Keystone Hardwallet?

<bbmatrix:matrix.org> The feather wallet is view only and does not show the secret key right now

<bbmatrix:matrix.org> How is the tx secret key generated in general? Can I always reproduce it if I got my seed phrase?

No

tx key is generated locally then discarded, as it is not needed for normal workings

Only the wallet that generated this transaction has it, and is usually discarded soon unless the wallet saves it

<bbmatrix:matrix.org> Thx for the reply, so a view only wallet connected to a hardware wallet wouldn't show this information? And I won't be able to regenerate the key again?

<rbrunner7> @bbmatrix:matrix.org: For all I know, correct. That transaction key is lost.

This is a design feature, so it can't be found in the future by someone that got hold of your viewkey

And try to guess who you sent coins to

(Or spendkeys even)

<bbmatrix:matrix.org> So I did a trade on fixed float and it says trade expired, but the xmr was sent and arrived, of course. Now they insisting on secret key just to check the trade 🤕

you may need to provide a SpendProof instead getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/prove-payment.html (Prove transaction under advanced), instead of tx key

this is research lounge so otherwise you probably want monero support channel

re: FCMP generators, I'm able to reproduce them all. tracked down a bug (feature) where specifically the SetBytes implementation ignored the topmost bit for the field element decoding, instead I have to feed it a 64 byte slice to have it handle it

also pass all hash_to_point / hash_to_ec tests in monero repo which also is great

> Consistent with RFC 7748, the most significant bit (the high bit of the last byte) is ignored

<bbmatrix:matrix.org> Thank you for your help. Where would I find the support channel? > <DataHoarder> this is research lounge so otherwise you probably want monero support channel

#monero-support on IRC

<datahoarder> #monero-support:monero.social on Matrix

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> DON'T WORK ON MONERO. MONERO IS A SCAM. DM ME FOR OPPORTUNITIES RELATED TO ZCASH. YOU WILL GET PAID UNLIKE MONERO > <@monoid.cat:matrix.org> hi

<helene:unredacted.org> she's not there anymore man

<basses:matrix.org> @monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org: send me 1XMR so I can know you are serious

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> send 100zec

<sgp_> For those keeping score, this is the second time that "space-time" has been presented to the Monero community, with hilarious results. Some of the older Monero crowd will recall the first time 😅

<sgp_> monero-project/research-lab #147#issuecomment-3361122405

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Waaat there's a first time?

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Spill

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> I want that tea

<sgp_> Ask Diego or hyc

<sgp_> :)

<sgp_> (it was a different type/context/use of "space-time")

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> And they say Zcash is filled with feds we got 2 speaking here

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> Justin "I work for the FBI" Ehrenhofer and Luke "I work for the CIA and scam people with unfinished coins" Parker

<monerobullsoldthebottomsmart:matrix.org> Banned me for speaking the truth about Serai

ignoring most of that proposal, this part is gold "PoT is fully backward-compatible with existing RandomX mining software, requiring only minor updates to compute and submit deadlines from valid hashes."

> fully backwards compatible > requiring minor updates

???

> I have no such time or desire to aid in the forced mental clarity of the fogged mind.

> Menero is easily forked (new fork: menero)

<ofrnxmr> Idk what sent bro off the deep-end

<ofrnxmr> Is ANNE a blockchain?

<ofrnxmr> want to speak to monero's creator was the part that had me lifting eyebrows

<ofrnxmr> You have 1. Anons and 2. Andrey (zano). Neithet of which invented pow

<sgp_> they were off the deep end before: x.com/MRScatman_dev/status/1954936638154354737

<sgp_> x.com/r_a_d_a_n_n_e/status/1954944959007895734

this user has a repo that is empty

so no idea

<sgp_> space time: youtu.be/PRSRHakFS3g?t=416

<spirobel:kernal.eu> youtube.com/watch?v=EVllL4tNZsI so many variations of PoS are possible

<spirobel:kernal.eu> solanas proof of history was discovered by toly after he had 2cb (two coffees and one beer) sounds similar

<spirobel:kernal.eu> ... maybe we should talk more some about scaling. This zcash push around tachyon contains a lot of semi truths.

<spirobel:kernal.eu> they sell this as a solution when clearly they pick a certain tradeoff

<basses:matrix.org> signal.org/blog/spqr

<basses:matrix.org> > Signal Protocol and Post-Quantum Ratchets

<rbrunner7> Dropping this here for visibility, question from today: old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1n…rchived_orphan_block_alt_chain_data

<rucknium> @rbrunner7:monero.social: Suggest that they come here to Lounge.

<rbrunner7> Ok

I can provide a dump of all blocks gathered across the nodes I look into. They could directly scan them from blocks.p2pool.observer but I can also just give a dump of block headers

Rucknium also has the ones from their node, but I also dumped those as well :)