<articmine> There are also very significant scaling issues here with respect to.

<articmine> 1) Turnstiles. The need to move the entire blockchain through the turnstile in a reasonable amount of time. The issue especially of the turnstile is being rushed and users competing to get first through the turnstile.

<articmine> What I see here is the need for a significant surge capacity over a matter of a few months. [... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/-IKvr8wKeF82Q1dH ]

<articmine> My point here is that a robust and fast growing peer to peer on chain adoption of Monero together with a very strong reserve surge capacity is a critical component of the defense.

<articmine> Typo I meant BS not VS

<boog900> @articmine: for 1, we can add special scaling for the turnstile if/when we code in the turnstile, there is no point planning our scaling for that now.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 1. Txs expiring after 72hrs

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 2. 600mb txpool default size limit

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> These are the problems for turnstile, not scaling imo

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Because you can increase the txpool size to infinity, but txs will still expire if there are too many submissions.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> fun fact (i think): if you flush_txpool, you can reset the tx seen time, and extend the72hrs. I dont think this is supposed to happen :P

<gingeropolous> ugh. i think i've blissfully forgotten that there's probably a turnstile in our future

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> CARROT attempts a PQ recoverable framework so all that's necessary is moving to a post-CARROT wallet, not moving across the PQ barrier itself.

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> If done successfully, it'll give _years_ of time for the turnover

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Even if it culminates in one final explicit time period before invalidation of historical outputs

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> The sooner we prepare today, the less of a rush we'll be in tomorrow

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Fund PQ research now

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Spend $10m on several research teams

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> *or a reasonable amount to qualified individuals like people @ CS