<fireine:matrix.org> to be brutally honest, so is MRL at this point. I sincerely hope that changes. > <@321bob321> Blind leading the blind

<fireine:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/LEpxwzZlIcPmQfipiNpjkuKK.png (Screenshot 2026-06-03 at 10.03.36 PM.png) > <selsta> they also used Claude to implement that fork containing the fix, messing it up in the process by setting the fork height too early lol ZcashFoundation/zebra #10673

<fireine:matrix.org> claude is stupid. I know this because it thinks my bullshit is non-trivial.

<fireine:matrix.org> hopefully things improve in 5 years or so.

<fireine:matrix.org> at AI in general

<fireine:matrix.org> its too...artificially intelligent. lol

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Welcome to the Lounge, @fireine:matrix.org !

<fireine:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx. It’s nice to e-meet another alleged “borg entity” at the internet. Looking forward to future interactions.

<yushanren:matrix.org> monero research lab is so mean...

<yushanren:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/yjDJRKGrUmJkIEAAdRlAcTtd.png (image.png)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @yushanren:matrix.org . I cannot see the image! In your opinion, what makes monero research lab mean? If there is something we can do to improve, I'd love to hear it!

<fireine:matrix.org> @yushanren:matrix.org: it's comprised of both genius and crankpottery.

<fireine:matrix.org> which explains the broken protocol, respectfully

<fireine:matrix.org> it has great promise.

<fireine:matrix.org> with a little effort it'll be pq and certainly non-trivial at the context of genuine privacy

<fireine:matrix.org> but don't listen to me. I'm just a crank

<fireine:matrix.org> By the way, they reached out to me first.

<fireine:matrix.org> Decent human beings.

<yushanren:matrix.org> i was new to this room, but i followed monero for years, and i was banned because of low level to talk

<fireine:matrix.org> @yushanren:matrix.org: Aaron is great and monero is great. But there are some crankpots

<fireine:matrix.org> im not criticizing anyone

<fireine:matrix.org> just an observations

<yushanren:matrix.org> i asked a few concerns about FCMP++

<fireine:matrix.org> @yushanren:matrix.org: valid concerns.

<fireine:matrix.org> as a retail investor you have every right to do so

<yushanren:matrix.org> i am not blaming anyone, but i don't like ignorance

<fireine:matrix.org> so don't feel bad

<fireine:matrix.org> @yushanren:matrix.org: everyone is ignorant - they can't help it

<yushanren:matrix.org> it depends on whether i will continue to trust monero team to make privacy and security stable

<fireine:matrix.org> perhaps they have something to prove. who am I to cast shade on that. maybe it keeps them going

<fireine:matrix.org> @yushanren:matrix.org: Well — Aaron is competent.

<fireine:matrix.org> so there's hope.

<yushanren:matrix.org> fine, readonly room

<yushanren:matrix.org> matrix is better than github comments, because smart people are answering my real questions

<fireine:matrix.org> @yushanren:matrix.org: when @rucknium:monero.social removes the arbitrary shadowban we can continue to engage at dialogue related to actual protocol bugs. banning us won't refine a broken protocol. but if we are allowed to contribute (with the help of trusted colleagues - who include bitcoin primitive OG's) we might be able to begin taking active steps at the pq context.

<fireine:matrix.org> perhaps he did it for reasons he cannot disclose.

<fireine:matrix.org> lets give them the benefit of the doubt. for now.

<fireine:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/dQBfeHScsQFhbpFKAOzisAKh.jpg (NIST.jpg)

<fireine:matrix.org> actual picture of @rucknium:monero.social shadowbanning me after posting dialogue related to my retaliatory preprint targeting his friends at NIST

<fireine:matrix.org> (this is a joke)

<yushanren:matrix.org> i don't mind too much, it is not 20 years ago

<fireine:matrix.org> @yushanren:matrix.org: and people wonder why bugs are exploited

<fireine:matrix.org> By the way, I'd never do such a thing.

<fireine:matrix.org> understand that when bugs are found and exploitable i'd argue most people would exploit them and run off with the liquidity

<fireine:matrix.org> "If you find a bug / exploit at a smart contract....exploit it" - Ozan Onay, probably

<fireine:matrix.org> crunchbase.com/person/ozan-onay

<fireine:matrix.org> @yushanren:matrix.org: smart? if we were smart ~ I'm not so sure we'd be here (for the most part. for example I think you're smart). but if we all were, perpaps we'd be taking active steps to be doing this

<fireine:matrix.org> docs.scion.org/en/latest

<fireine:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/prjEDePWkNpmkfxgqFZkAVrn.png (Screenshot 2026-06-03 at 10.54.42 PM.png)

<fireine:matrix.org> ^ the actual reason I was shadowbanned.

<fireine:matrix.org> @rucknium:monero.social why on earth would you shadowban someone who's work is provably endorsed (with dkims and dmarc signatured) from the MRL research chats by the founders of the bitcoin primitives? if prof menezes never published this data - bitcoin wouldn't exist and neither would your work on monero. I didn't even insult [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/1o--0IkLWlhkX19W ]

<fireine:matrix.org> perhaps this isn't the first time? if this is a recurring pattern it woudl explain the bugs at the protocol. pushing away competent people who would otherwise be actively contributing. This is a problem!

<fireine:matrix.org> Monero came to us. It's not the otherway around.

<fireine:matrix.org> Respectfully, please consider lifting the shadowban at some point. Thanks for understanding.

<yushanren:matrix.org> you talked too much...

<fireine:matrix.org> @yushanren:matrix.org: without dialogue bugs won't get fixed.

<fireine:matrix.org> and monero will fall to logical qubits

<fireine:matrix.org> this is serious. pq is serious

<yushanren:matrix.org> create an issue at github

<fireine:matrix.org> @yushanren:matrix.org: i'll just dm the core developers (who reached out to me first) and voice my concerns if the arbitrary shadowban is not removed at once.

<jpk68:matrix.org> You were not banned, the whole room was temporarily muted. > <@yushanren:matrix.org> i was new to this room, but i followed monero for years, and i was banned because of low level to talk

<fireine:matrix.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: which is rather unhelpful bc pq is non-trivial

<fireine:matrix.org> dialogue is non-trivial. these bugs are very real.

<fireine:matrix.org> ignoring them or halting dialogue — will not solve the problem

<fireine:matrix.org> I am usually a very quiet person. But this is monero.

<fireine:matrix.org> if you love privacy as much as I do, you would understand why I am pushing back

<yushanren:matrix.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: i know it

<fireine:matrix.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: wasn't bitcoin about ensuring ones voice cannot be censored?

<fireine:matrix.org> monero isn't bitcoin

<fireine:matrix.org> but to be brutally honest — orangefren (bitcoiners) are supporting monerokon. like what the hell?

<fireine:matrix.org> perhaps there are some things I do not yet understand at the context of this community

<fireine:matrix.org> but I'm willing to learn

<fireine:matrix.org> so will just patiently wait until those external to the Cabal are allowed to resume active dialogue to refine a broken protocol

<fireine:matrix.org> pq is non-trivial. arbitrarily halting dialogue is — I trust you can understand rather unhelpful for monero

<fireine:matrix.org> but this is trivially obvious.

<fireine:matrix.org> I found a bug once. If we had exploited it (or sent the audit to a friend / partner) we could have taken 700,000 USDT.

<fireine:matrix.org> This is the kind of insanity (arbitrary shadowbans) fuel actual theft — arbitrary rulings against decent human beings.

<fireine:matrix.org> It's never a good idea to cause negative emotions for the hell of it — even if it feels convenient and low risk.

<fireine:matrix.org> the protocol in question is now out enterprise partner.

<fireine:matrix.org> moral of the story is — arbitrary rulings aren't cool. neither are cabals.

<fireine:matrix.org> if there are community standards — they should be publicly displayed

<fireine:matrix.org> @yushanren:matrix.org: that's like banning an actual mad scientist from the lab (we know at least one at mit) because they're engaged at too much dialogue related to conducting non-trivial research. it's a research chat. this is obviously rather unhelpful.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Pure noise > <@fireine:matrix.org> without dialogue bugs won't get fixed.

<fireine:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Cry more.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> to put it bluntly: your noise:signal ratio is fucking fucked

<fireine:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: which simply proves you're not too clever

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Mad ramblings with a sprinkle of useful information is just a dos of any research

<fireine:matrix.org> x.com/badcryptobitch/status/2059083753096388957 > <@fireine:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/prjEDePWkNpmkfxgqFZkAVrn.png (Screenshot 2026-06-03 at 10.54.42 PM.png)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Nobody has time to read you 1001 messages, looking for the single one that has any relevance

<fireine:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: that's like saying you don't have time to harden the protocol against quantum attacks

<fireine:matrix.org> which would be stupid

<fireine:matrix.org> and surely you aren't that

<fireine:matrix.org> Lets just all believe that you are a super genius — and I am but a retard. Just to make you happy

<fireine:matrix.org> I'm more than happy to play that game

<fireine:matrix.org> If you like :)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Orangefren is a bitcoiner? since when > <@fireine:matrix.org> but to be brutally honest — orangefren (bitcoiners) are supporting monerokon. like what the hell?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Perfect example of "mad ramblings". None of this chatter belongs in this room either.

<fireine:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: orangefren.com

<fireine:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: maybe you're just incompetent.

<fireine:matrix.org> which is fine. so am i

<fireine:matrix.org> but to pretend that you somehow have secret information proving im a crankpot

<fireine:matrix.org> is laughable at best.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Why was the room muted? Because (specifically) you are sending 1000 messages and nobody has time to read the backlog.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Research lab is supposed to be a lab for research. Not some place to act like a mad scientist, ramble, rant, call people idiots, talk about random shit, etc etc. Keep your posts short and to the point

<fireine:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: thats all cap.

<fireine:matrix.org> my dialogue is related to research in general.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If you want to discuss researxh casually, that js what this room (lounge) is for.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> if its not about research (orangefren) it doesnt belobg here either

<fireine:matrix.org> not going to lobotomize myself just to stoop to your level

<fireine:matrix.org> but thanks for suggesting it

<fireine:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: there's nothing casual about the way I do research

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @fireine:matrix.org: Its ok, we dont have to mute the whole room. We can mute individuals as well

<fireine:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: logical qubits can mute monero. but we wouldn't want that now would we

<fireine:matrix.org> this requires dialogue — naturally

<fireine:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/WnwnyrljkCjaSWKixhkTPfgc.png (Screenshot 2026-06-03 at 11.34.42 PM.png) > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Perfect example of "mad ramblings". None of this chatter belongs in this room either.

<fireine:matrix.org> I forsee a day when Claude isn't entirely incompetent

<fireine:matrix.org> If anyone was ever curious as to why monero has bugs in general — perhaps the arbitrary shadowbans are, in part why ; - )

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @fireine:matrix.org: Yeah, no.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> nobody was shadowbanned. The entire room was muted because some people like to perform ddos in research/development

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> We have chat rooms for convenience, not for spamming. If what you have to discuss is so important put it in a monero research lab github issue

<fireine:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/wJcMueJRFxpaAoPXRvbIXTvR.png (Screenshot 2026-06-03 at 11.41.03 PM.png)

<fireine:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I'll just inject the data at a github issue.

<fireine:matrix.org> Or await another email from monero core.

<fireine:matrix.org> if you need us, just ping @reuben:firo.org. take care.

<sundjr:unredacted.org> Your level is very low already > <@fireine:matrix.org> not going to lobotomize myself just to stoop to your level

<syntheticbird> x.com/v12sec/status/2061401842324820205

<syntheticbird> Zellic found a loss of funds bug in Thorchain, causing their bounty program to be closed. They are now threatning to release DoS vulnerabilities to the public

<boog900> not the first time

<boog900> Their immunefi is gone because they didn't pay out for a vuln

<syntheticbird> incredible

<sgp_> > <@fireine:matrix.org> not going to lobotomize myself just to stoop to your level

<sgp_> This is not your personal room. It’s a community space. You’re free to leave your stream of consciousness in your own personal notes. You’re not entitled to post your stream of consciousness in a community space, even if you think (but no one else does) that those thoughts are research related. Sorry. Take a step back, e [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/yryJ4YkLM0lFQXQ5 ]

<sgp_> @syntheticbird: Not closed just because of this afaik, but them generally not paying several people led to this

<jpk68:matrix.org> Just realized that you can fit a 400-character Jamtis address into a single IRC address :))

<jpk68:matrix.org> *IRC message

Up to 420 characters

<aillia:matrix.org> @rucknium:monero.social: fyi, the certificate for moneroresearch.info expired on 6/4/2026.