<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> Hey, I work on EgalChain; is a Monero fork (RandomX, ring sigs, stealth addresses intact) with a consensus-validated state layer on top — signed ops in the coinbase tx.extra, executed each block into an LMDB registry, committed to a Merkle-sum-tree state root. It's testnet-stage, pre-audit. The source code is not yet public; [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/5tny-pYLZ0V5Qi1C

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> Here's the design tension I want your reasoning on. The base-layer txs keep Monero's privacy — but the cooperative-banking layer on top is transparent by construction: ops are ed25519-signed with persistent keys, amounts live in a public registry, and the Merkle-sum-tree exists precisely so balances and conservation are prov [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/5tny-pYLZ0V5Qi1C

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> So my real question isn't just "does the country_code leak" — it's whether it's coherent at all to run a deliberately-transparent, identity-bound ledger inside a chain whose base threat model is unlinkability. Does the pseudonymous state layer already dissolve the privacy guarantees enough that the passport binding is just the final nail? Where's the worst linkage I'm underestimating? Thanks.

Ok... maybe first explain why you *think* a monero layer would be useful.

I'd also make the harsh statement that no one who doesn't know 100% what they're doing should be starting a new crypto except as a hobby.

<jeffro256> @egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org: My personal opinion, and sorry to be blunt, but why in the name of all things holy would I, jeffro256, use an objectively worse version of Monero when Monero is right here, with larger p2p markets and actuall good monetary properties?

<articmine> I am with jeffro256 and UkoeHB and ask Why?

<articmine> I will add one question regarding the Passport / country code. How do you propose to support people who hold multiple citizenships, I hold three, or who are stateless?

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> What's to stop an attacker from voting with stolen credentials?

<rucknium> What are we voting for? No one knows.

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> @jeffro256: Fair pushback, and I'll take jeffro256's warning straight: I largely agree with it, which is why this is testnet, pre-audit, and why I came here to be refuted rather than to announce a launch, and Monero is years ahead in terms of community, so yes your point seems logical.

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> On "why" — I'm not proposing a better Monero for payments. If you want private cash, Monero wins, full stop, no argument from me. EgalChain isn't competing on that axis. It adds things Monero deliberately doesn't have — Sybil-resistant identity, provable reserve backing, on-chain cooperative credit, settlement calculation [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/5bewhZcLUUJJU1RM

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> And identity plugs in two ways, neither of them uniform:[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/5bewhZcLUUJJU1RM ]

<thomasbuilds:matrix.org> please don't copy paste AI as is

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> right

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> it isn't except for the verification in the code

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> this "Permissions graduate with the strength of your proof — it's not passport-or-nothing:

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> wallet only → base access (hold, transfer, anything needing no Sybil-resistance);

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> passport-verified (eMRTD/NFC → nullifier + country) → full rights: the per-country poll, governance, constitutional participation;

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> community-attested (K=3 already-verified members co-attest in person — the path for people with no passport) → a socially-bounded identity class: full economic access immediately, governance rights graduating in after ~1 month.

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> And consensus doesn't count by the passport everywhere. In a poll it's one vote per registered identity (a passport, or an identity with no country — that still counts). In standard governance the passport only gates eligibility; the vote is weighted by mining shares (quadratic, √shares). Dividends are distributed natively [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/j825hZcLbWwtVEFI

<thomasbuilds:matrix.org> I'm not against AI at all - it's just inconsiderate to expect others to spend time reading something you took no effort to write because this is clearly copy & paste

AI again? Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Can we add `AI copy paste = ban` to the chat description?

<thomasbuilds:matrix.org> ok that's not written by AI lol

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> UkoeHB: I just tell you that yes it was IA that's scrap the code on this part of the answer.

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> Thx, in any case, the passport sybil, works to solidify a protocol ruled by economy and disponibility on each feature, even without passport EgalChain will works, it was to mesure what human thinks, what opinions they have, to make anonymous voting by design, AND recountable by any journalist, NGO, governement, the protocol it [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/svjthZcLQjgwQjlU

<thomasbuilds:matrix.org> bro you just replaced every ponctuation with a comma....

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> @thomasbuilds:matrix.org: read maybe ?

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> What stops someone from hacking a country's passport database and getting 100,000 "sybil resistant" votes?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> you dont need id to vote

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> :D

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> not sure if that was on topic, or if were all offtopic atm?

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> right, just the highest graduation of permissions as per the message a few above

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> @jbabb:cypherstack.com: on which type of vote ?

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> oh, second-highest under community-attested

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> so I can get my 100,000 fake people to all attest to eachother

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> yea, i didnt / am not reading all dat. im happy for you though.. or sorry that happened

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> Just don't put passport numbers into your system in any way unless you want everyone to eventually get all those numbers

<jbabb:cypherstack.com> plz 🙏 thx

<jpk68:matrix.org> *in the US > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> you dont need id to vote

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> @jbabb:cypherstack.com: People who can attest someone are NFC verified, I had to difference the MRZ path and the NFC chip path, if someone get 100,000 identifier, they won't have it physically, or it is an entire state attacks (and if, identities created by the 100,000 stays on chain if the number became too much for a tim [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/g6aShpcLX2hfcXpo

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> @jbabb:cypherstack.com: And no, don't worry, passport are only useful to count, and instilled additional confidence, but never remembered by the chain, only the nullifer, that design is in build and made to be build above, as Monero, Bitcoin, in the spirit that's keep me working, to show that is possible

<jeffro256> @egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org: So it's only Sybil resistant if you personally investigate and correct Sybil attacks?

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> nope, because imagine, create 100,000 even 1,000,000 or more identities, if you want what you will do ? except for voting in the world poll, or/ and do p2p by yourself (by doing it you place your own values so EgalChain is not in danger), and to create more identities to sell it to people who don't have passport (I am kidding [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/97S0hpcLazB5YkpW

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> So yes an attack as is on the world poll, which is on the paper made to let the world speaks out whatever they want is a problem and must be stopped by a team or by users who denounce it (because miners can organise to delete account, target them on the explorer, and a register "EgalChain needs you" is made to use case (I didn't put it in the actual frontend for Testnet Purpose)

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> While everything is transparent with the MST, by everybody, not people in the office who have the informations and the power to changes thing, my bet is, to share this power (informational/ praticable) and install it on the right rails

that's some AI blogpost

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> ?

<egalchain_pioneer:matrix.org> a video where I do a Backflip ?

Feel like I'm reading an aneurysm

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats why i left school early. Cant have that happen if you dont know how to read

<intr:unredacted.org> @grok summarize