<c​hch3003:monero.social> Hello ! Hope you are all well. I was wondering if there were some news regarding the new website proposal ?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> There's a meeting this Saturday, you should probably be present in case anyone has questions or comments about your proposal.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> There's a meeting Saturday 05/25, you should probably be present in case anyone has questions or comments about your proposal.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> monero-project/meta #1008

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Ok I will try to be present. I am travelling just before

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You can also read the log of the last meeting. There has been questions regarding your proposal: monero-project/meta #1002#issuecomment-2111160581

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You can write out the response in comments in your pull request so that we have matter to discuss, in case you are not present

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> from what I remember, concerns about the lack of CMS integration in Astro, someone wanted to know if you were up for using a SSG like Hugo instead of Astro.

<b​asses:matrix.org> if Astro is going to introduce any inconvenience for contributors then another SSG should be picked

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Only real inconvenience I heard is the CMS. markdown files can be added to folders and be rendered, simplifying the process of writing blog posts. Its not the same but still sufficient. Honestly I do not support the "NO JS" policy regarding the website write. If at the end it ship zero js to the client, and do not need server-rendering, it's exactly the same

<c​hch3003:monero.social> SyntheticBird: Ha thank you, I didn't know! Will do that

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Regarding translation, yes I am more convinced everyday that AI translation with proper LLMs like latest GPT 4 or LLama 3 can do the job very well.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Does anybody seriously ask that it should be possible to *author*, to *modify* the website without using any JavaScript? Maybe I misunderstand the issue, but for me personally it only ever was "No JavaScript when viewing the finished, rendered and deployed website".

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I may have misunderstood but thats what has been said by someone, yes.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> For now the English content is "hardcoded" into .astro files. But with translations content will be moved into json I guess

<c​hch3003:monero.social> So if you can edit the content without changing the layout, you just edit the json

<c​hch3003:monero.social> That's for the regular pages. For blog posts and maybe documentation (not started) it will be Markdown

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Now Astro supports plenty of CMS docs.astro.build/fr/guides/cms

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I don't think it is necessary but it is possible

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Now Astro supports plenty of CMS docs.astro.build/en/guides/cms

<c​hch3003:monero.social> And yes we could use X, but I choose Astro because this is the best :)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Astro because this is the best :)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Truth has been told 💯

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Might be a good idea to post these replies in the comments section below your proposal like someone else already said, so others can read.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Maybe with the link to the last community meeting logs, that way everyone can read what you are replying to.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/450

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Yes I will post my comments there also

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Regarding rates/hours adjustment, in my opinion the first milestone is on par with freelancing rates in Europe. I take into account the time already spent, the back and forth with the community, I think we should take this opportunity to really improve and update the content but it is maybe too optimistic, the fact that I still need a designer to help me with some remaining tasks <clipped message>

<c​hch3003:monero.social> and I proposed to pay him out of this first milestome payment, etc.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Yes 10k will help me for a few months but not like I am ready for jetset life lol

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Anyway, we can discuss

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Regarding the second milestone, the amount of work is unclear to me, it could be much less than what I proposed. Totally ok to adjust that.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Regarding third milestone, it's coming from experience that the last 5% of the work takes a lot more. But again we can reduce that, maybe skip it totally, I don't really know for now

<c​hch3003:monero.social> The third milestone is because I anticipate that once the website is ready to ship, lot of people will wake up last minute and ask to change this and that

<c​hch3003:monero.social> But I may be wrong

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Or once it is live and a broader audience is accessing it, requests will come

<c​hch3003:monero.social> By the way, it is still unclear if we should include the documentation in this website. The first proposal assumes it is the case.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Alright, I responded I the CCS page repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/450#note_24566

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I think that people not believing that AI cant translate a website are not following the space. I can use the chatgpt app to translate in real time, understanding the environment, audio, vision. We are close to AGI but it cant translate a website ?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Seriously

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm myself sceptical about AGI anytime soon. But yes, LLM are absolutely terrifying.

Tey and translate the entire existing site in all languages and get it deployed

Try*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It would not work

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> as LLM can't deal with specialized context without training. So it can only serve as a basis for now.

Review the pull request

Lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah don't worry I did

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I agree with janaka on the fact that it can serve as a basis. to accelerate translation

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> people would just have to correct the sentence

Contributions to existing site would go > 0 if a PR containing tens of thousands of translations auto generated, although reviewing would be an issue

Place holders still have to be reviewed

Ctrl+f machine translations (under automated teanslations)

We dont have CI enabled or a stable weblate ..........

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> So everyone at the moment is just Ctrl+f text ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm saying that but it looks like no translation exist

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I mean. the FCMP blog is in english

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> whatever the locale

We have a feature rich solution that is barely online with none of the bells and whistles because there is no employed person / trusted to eun it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i don't understand. You mean, no one is daring to setup CI and weblate? or Do we have one but no one is making use of it ?

We have a volunteer to set all that up

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh thats good news

Hence the issues with weblate stability etc. CI integration should have been enabled as soon as.... Netrik made the issue

Anyway, machine translations are built in to weblate

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Not trying to say you're wrong. But I feel like there is a significant difference between LLM translation and Translation-specialized models. LLM are better at understanding the context than Translation APIs. Meaning, when translating the FCMP blog, an LLM will continue to use Full-Chain-Membership-Proof (FCMP) instead of translating it to whatever language automatically.

"The support for several machine translation and translation memory services is built-in." All bad?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nah

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you're right

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> there must be useful model in it

<c​hch3003:monero.social> By the way my day to day job is in a AI company

<c​hch3003:monero.social> And I translate a lot everyday to learn a new language in a new country

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I am not just saying things like that without backing

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Once I have a json with all the english strings I can easily translate to whatever. I can give additional context if needed but I dont think it is even necessary

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I am talking about the regular pages, not super technical blog posts.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> But even that we could try

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Skynet is here!