hrm. isp indicated it detected cobalt strike from my ip

I got k-lined from freenode, even though I didn't write anything in the last 10 hours.

Seems like they banned everyone from IRCCloud.

Probably not intended, your nick seem to be back now.

New ops, probably higher probability of fuckups while htey get used to admininstering the thing.

I also did as well. Sort of felt good, if I am honest

.faucet

Mo​chi101: Of 0 ? 4​, which is 4

4

Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000037 XMR to Mochi101 [f6c3b3f7] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0156168

midipoet: Why did it feel good?

.duckcall

bschwarz6: ・゜゜・。。​・゜゜(')> 🦆 'QUACK QUACK!!'

.bang

bschwarz6: YOU GOT IT! Time: ≈4.55 sec Ratio: 5 of 5 Bullets: 1 of 2

.beg

bs​chwarz6: Of 2 <-> 1​, which is 1

1

bschwarz6: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000025 XMR to bschwarz6 [57582150] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0156143

.bang

muhkey: WTDuck you shootin at? They'll come when they're ready or try .duckcall

.duckcall

muhkey: No duck for you! (Try tomorrow or add a bribe to the call)

racist!

.beg

m​uhkey: What number is ​ZERO

0

muhkey: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000025 XMR to muhkey [c559c9e0] Wait ≈1 day 1 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0156118

yey

anyone else get banned from freenode? ...

UkoeHB: you can rejoin, the current freenode operators don't seem experienced

they banned all irccloud users

zzz

thanks selsta

lol, nice

this whole freenode thing is terrible, seems now half the users are over there and half are here, channels both places.. What a nightmare

don't get me wrong, I do understand and appreciate the move. Glad that libera was launched.

.faucet

T​hanos: How many le​tters in thick

5

Thanos: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000046 XMR to Thanos [a9fa29bc] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0156072

rojiro: right. it seems to have fragmented a lot of communities even further. Wallet supports in-bot bridging between any channels the bot is in on any platform even which could be enabled either temporarily during transition or permanently if it turned out the community was remaining on both

not like monero has had much activity as far as real conversations for awhile now anyway. but splitting what few active users there were between multiple platforms without any sort of bridging just makes conversation even less likely

Bill48105: yeah, it's a shame.

beyond that figure official channels should be limited to fewer platforms & shut down some

yes, i think people should just plain shutdown their freenode channels so people know where to go

oops lol

wb :)

whoops sorry i dropped if there was a reply. lol

typed quit instead of part in another channel.

that helps with fragmentation but doesn't likely help with healthy activity since many won't bother to sign up on a new platform and some arent bright enough to figure out it moved

yeah, it took me several days to finally get here, since I don't use clearnet at all and had to jump through a lot of hoops to get signed up. Also had to wait for the hidden service.

that's basically happening for #dogecoin too.. it's roughly half active on both. bridging is enabled so users are joining & getting caught up on what happened & signing up if they want but many refuse

I use IRCCloud as a convenience for non-critical conversations. Freenode banned all IRCCloud users, so I'm just not going to reconnect.

right there are huge obstacles for many to sign up vs service they already use

it's unfortunate that a few people abuse things & ruin it for everyone

rojiro: how is the Tor support for Matrix btw? If you know.

matrix is cool in many ways but it sucks how slow it is

rehrar: I was able to connect through one server, but haven't used it much. Let me check which one I used.

rehrar: I have an account on matrix.org. Connected through the web client. If anyone has a hidden service matrix server they would let me connect through I am interested.

I am hoping to connect in through a text based terminal though. So I haven't tried finding a text based client yet.

Hmm...I wonder what it would mean to set up a specific Tor-based matrix server that still communicates with the clearnet ones

rehrar: it should be trivial. Just setup a matrix server on a vps and then add a hidden service for client connections.

i would be willing to donate funds, but I do not want to take the time to do the maintainence.

what would be the point if what is said gets relayed

hoping no one can track the source?

Bill48105: you could connect to it anonymously

or psuedoanonymously really

right but what exactly does that mean in internet realm & why bother

and right pseudo

more ripe for false sense of security than actually accomplishing much

It means no one knows what you IP address is. Which matters to some people.

Your IP address isn't exposed to the server, but if you're logging in under a pseudonymous name then that's that, ye

But if you keep your pseudonymity pretty secret in terms of location, then the IP address hiding thing is pretty major

if you're that worried about ip you can use vpn, proxy, burner cell, etc

VPNs are not guaranteed to keep no logs.

as if anything is

that's where the false sense of security comes in

Bill48105: i mean if you are questioning that then you are questioning all of tor, and If you don't know the value of tor, then yeah, you probably don't care at all

then use tor

I mean, Tor reduces the risk expontentially as more nodes would need to be compromised rather than just one of the VPN

remind me again how it's foolproof though

Was there a claim that it was foolproof?

Bill48105: the difference between using a VPN and tor is pretty dramatic

sounds like someone's paranoid

In the same way that Monero may actually be overkill when it comes to "good enough" privacy. Some may say people using Monero are quite paranoid in that sense.

nah i was asking why you care so much to bother

Bill48105: labeling TOR users paranoid is an opinion you have which we are not going to convince you out of :)

Bill48105: in regards to me, if the Monero community wants it, it's kind of my job to see about making it happen. :P

right you're a bit defensive eh

I mean, if it goes live, the people that don't want to use it don't have to, and those that do want to use it can do so.

Everybody wins.

I'm not the one calling people paranoid, I am just stating facts.

i don't recall saying don't do it

I wouldn't use it myself. Just stepping into the shoes of someone who might to see their perspective.

that's where pointing out paranoia & unnecessary defensiveness comes in

For people like me in the first world, it's probably a bit unnecessary, yeah. But not everyone is as lucky as I am. Some are in more oppressive regimes and would like such resources to be available to them. Their threat model may mean they're less paranoid and more realistic.

obviously different people have varying views on privacy & security as well as varying NEEDS

ye

Bill48105: can you explain how I have been uneccessarily defensive?

I don't see much defensiveness tbh. Maybe you are reading too much into the messages.

and yes not everyone is as lucky to have excess of privilege to be blind to issues others have

There are poeple contributing to projects that have a lot to lose. Who live in jurisdictions that are not friendly.

not sure what to tell you. immediate rebuttable is sign of defensiveness

i simply made statements & got attacked

there are multiple ways to mitigate privacy concerns. few people actually understand the issues or the pros/cons/limits of each attempt at a solution

Bill48105: I was, in good faith, trying to explain to you why it would be valuable to have a communication mechanism that doesn't expose your IP, but I realized you don't see value in that. Which is perfectly fine.

see but i never said there was zero value

yet somehow i'm the one who doesn't get it..

No worries.

I apologize if I made you feel criticized.

it's cool was just carrying on conversation. wasn't meant to be argument in any way

If you don't want to argue, in the future I would refrain from calling people defensice and paranoid. :)

i don't try to tell people what kind of underwear they should wear (if any) or what level of privacy they require

but if you tell me you wear 5 pair i'm gonna question if that is reasonable solution to whatever issue it is you are trying to solve

rehrar: I have never setup a matrix server, I am also not really privy to the architecture and therefore system requirements. I'd like to setup a matrix client, I've barely used it afterall.

rehrar: there may already be a matrix server that runs a hidden service. In fact, I would be surprised if there wasn't

would you question who runs it & if you trusted them

Bill48105: are you saying that using tor is like wearing 5 pairs of underwear?

yes it could be depending on what problem the person is trying to solve.. that's the Fn point

Bill48105: i don't know who runs libera (really) I don't really need to trust them for my needs.

kek except you were talking about matrix

reminds me of people who get bent out of shape about public logging of a channel with 100's of people in it when there's NOTHING stopping any user from logging or sharing.

one can not like the idea of public logging but it's asinine to freak out about it yet still participate

same goes for being paranoid about someone knowing your ip yet opening URL's sent in chat or having client that auto-previews links.