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<t​amlotamlugufum:matrix.org> CrazyRDP

<m​oneromaster:matrix.org> Does anyone know who runs the Monero email list? and how often it goes out? lists.getmonero.org/postorius/lists…monero-announce.lists.getmonero.org

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> Lol when it works

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Feel free to reach out if you need information :)

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> chowbungaman: Where are you?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> *you’re not in MK channel

<t​amlotamlugufum:matrix.org> yes

<m​oneromaster:matrix.org> An outline of some practical steps to building a Monero circular economy youtube.com/watch?v=yo-HEU4K3P0

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I think the talk at MK that mentioned creating open hardware is relevant for creating a circular economy

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Really you need enough participants with practical skills to offer. And resources and methods within the community for producing tools,structures,and consumable goods.

My only useful skill is probably tutoring English.

Wonder how much chance there is to tutor someone's kid for XMR lol

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Time to learn more skills. But you don’t necessarily have to learn more skills to sell your labor. You can just learn the skills you need to self-sufficiently provide for yourself.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Private currency is important but you don’t necessarily need currency or even trade to provide for your self with your existing property.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I think individuals should strive to eliminate their dependence on trading with others to meet their own needs.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> But when that’s not an option, private currency is the right tool for the job

IRL I can just work for cash, rent for cash, etc

Tutoring can at least be done remotely, so use for Monero.

What we need is non-technical services for it too.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Well if there’s a demand for non-technical services and you’re willing to provide it then sure. I’d say that’s gonna be more than welcome in the circular economy.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> But I wouldn’t say it’s a necessity because people can survive and thrive without non-technical services.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> That’s being said whether or not there will be a demand for specific non-technical services is a very important question. Demand for these services tends to be a lot less certain. So I think it’s important to prepare for the possibility that there isn’t that demand.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> That being said whether or not there will be a demand for specific non-technical services is a very important question. Demand for these services tends to be a lot less certain. So I think it’s important to prepare for the possibility that there isn’t that demand.

My point was not about "being welcome", but rather "being needed", because any economy NEEDS non-technical people in general.

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> bold of you to assume i need to eat non-technical food

Tbh I cover pretty much all my expenses with cash. The only ones not covered by it are my VPS, domain and video game things.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I don’t think non-technical people are needed in an economy for people just trying to survive. But people often are willing to pay for non-technical services for a variety reasons including some practical reasons.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I wouldn’t take offense to this either. You shouldn’t care on a personal level whether or not an economy needs you or if people think they need you. You should just care about doing what you need to survive in a way you’re happy with.

To each their own, sure. But people want things like commissioning art, for example.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Yea plenty of people want that.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I’m just saying the bare minimum for a circular economy is having participants with the raw materials and skills necessary for their survival.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> And in the case of an economy that depends on crypto currency. We also need participants capable of manufacturing the tools necessary to make crypto currency payments

In a survival situation, cash would be better. It does not require you to have an internet connection and to carry a smartphone/computer.

Crypto is the digital extension of cash.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Well I’d agree that a physical currency is simpler, has less dependencies, and has certain advantages in terms of stability.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> However there are some practical reasons to use a crypto currency even for basic payments between locals if you have the luxury of having a crypto currency at your disposal.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> For example using multisig deposits disincentivizes violence during disputes because you need both parties to agree to release funds. And that’s not gonna happen if you’ve incapacitated the other person.

Yea, as long as it and physical currency COexist.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Definitely. I don’t think crypto would work out on its own

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> Crypto can be used as a backing currency for cash though (by printing the secret key of a wallet as a qr code and sealing it)

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> if things keep going the way they are (with large entities moving to bitcoin) there will be no useable physical currency in the future anyway

<j​ohndoe427:matrix.org> Why monero price = up?

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> It’s still below 500

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Anything below ATH is not UP

<j​ohndoe427:matrix.org> ... it hasn't been this high since the major exchanges delisted it for one, and for two its up about 10% since I last looked. No need to be snobbish... I asked a simple question.

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Yes and it’s nothing to get excited about, it’s still ~0.002 btc

<j​ohndoe427:matrix.org> Anyone who isn't an asshole here to answer my question?

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Monero isn’t “UP” because of any news

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Just less sellers than buyers

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Localmonero gone = supply gone

btc up >60% since xmr binance delisting while xmr is "up" to the same price it was

also this is not the channel for price discussion

oh wait, imma talking to matrix dot org

I wonder when they will see this lol