<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> if there is chain reorg, txs using some recent decoys become invalid & if real decoys are spent again they are exposed ; dont know why we need unlocktime after fcmp as entire chain outputs would be decoys

<i​mprevisto:matrix.org> makes some sense, thanks jack_ma_blabla

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> unlock time would be depreciated

smk, I really don't like arguments about how no information could've been given out, like for Mullvad and Signal. I think that if the server is not in your control, it is safer to assume not what server IS doing, but what it CAN do.

Yeah, they might've really been not keeping logs - but they could easily be forced to do so from some point onward without telling anyone.

<s​mk:private.coffee> You're absolutely right, and I actually agree with you

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> is it you? private coffee

<h​bs:matrix.org> Is there a way for wallet-rpc to open multiple wallets simultaneously? If not is that something planned for the future?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> So far, no

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> monero-lws may be worth looking at. I don't think concurrent opening of wallets is planned with rpc

<h​bs:matrix.org> monero-lws is great for view only wallets, I need to control multiple wallets for emitting txs

<w​use:matrix.org> Fucking hell, some enthusiast should do it for monero

<w​use:matrix.org> At least as fake news, maybe the retarded media will fall for it and write about it.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> for real, this is next-gen marketing.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm sure it would still be legally possible to make a non-profit association in some target country and receive donations in XMR. Then manage with difficulty to convert it into fiat and launch a marketing campagin

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm sure it would still be legally possible to make a non-profit association in some target country and receive donations in XMR. Then manage with difficulty to convert it into fiat and launch a marketing campaign

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Tho who is gonna have the bravery to associate itself with le heckin terrorist money

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I mean whoever is going to do that will have to at bare minimum assumes 3 seizure per month

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> police seizure. whatever this is called

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> when police came in and steal your hard drives

"I mean whoever is going to do that will have to at bare minimum assumes 3 seizure per month" <- going diskless/deviceless is the key, thinking the last two years already about it, and have a concept for it in my head

share me your head

<w​use:matrix.org> yeah share a head

Essentially it envolves a provider (what I wanted to do with a SIA grant, but I get my bank accounts kicked so frequently and it devestates me every time because of this "normal life" system burocracy crushes me..., So involved is XMR as payment, passphrase which you create a detereministic key, so all you need is that in your head, until now I found no better way then a provider which you pay in xmr and the provider pays in sia for

your encrypted storage, which you can access via hidden service out of tails and and application running on tails where you simply enter your password and it handles your storage via FUSE and an layer like a database for things like KeepassDX or similar. That is also the reason why I hoped that you could in future still lock payments in time, so you could keep the provider at least somehow on track, I mean it would not completely

avoid an exit scam but it would lower the temptation IMO, best of course would be if it could be done like a smart contract, but didn't find yet a solution with only monero and sia involved - although I would prefer xmr only.

I was already thinking to make the service with xmr and tahoe-lafs, but I think, sia gives the better anonymity set and better security that your data does not vanish.

"vthor (~thor@user/vthor) has left this server (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)." <- getting disconnected while writing about stuff like that, makes me paranoid. :D

at the moment I'm not sure any more if it was 3 weeks or 3 months, where you need to renew your contracts on sia, for what you run (at least for time to time) renterd (it actually makes sure that you have enough hosters replicate your data), but you don't want to run renterd itself, because sia is obviously not xmr, second, you never know what happens, suddenly you have no way to connect the internet for weeks, months or even years. So

depending paranioa level you want to make sure your storage will get paid for at least 5-10 years, and as soon you are physically able again, you can purchase a notebook, a pen drive, flashing tails and restore your life.

this it is essentially, there are some other tricky parts. But I have seen what brutal power it is when gov stripes you completely naked, and you can't at the end not get even data from your disks, luks helps you that the have no access, but it avoids not that you have no more access. The next thing is like laws in the UK, you can't be sane and enter the country with any device that stores anything - catch 22. And I think it will

become more common in more countries, everybody is a terrorist if you question the narrative and everybody is suspected to be on the verge to be a terrorist. So IMO, the only sane way is to have your data in the "dark cloud" and your devices are all ephermeral (and best when you cross borders, go naked).

EOF :D

<e​scapismgalore:matrix.org> interesting read. i'm not that paranoid yet, but certainly makes sense to make sure one never loses access to the most critical personal data like password database, wallet seeds etc.

<w​use:matrix.org> about catch 22, is there really such a law?

wuse, if you travel with encrypted data into the UK and you reject giving up the password you can be detained indefinitly: catch 22

In the US as far as I know at the still reject only your entrance or put you on a love list...

<w​use:matrix.org> damn

germany wanted to do something similar, although I think in bavaria the law can be bent in that way, too. You know terrorists....

In France you can go for 10 years to jail for providing encryption without permission from the ministry of interior (even if a french person and you are neither a french person nor was sold in france) for up to 10 years, pretty sure that is the same thing what pavel got told, too. It doesn't get better on all that fronts...

<h​bs:matrix.org> you don't need permission, you just need to declare you are doing so, which telegram forgot to do

<w​use:matrix.org> OK, rickroll encrypted with 172800 iterations on its way to the UK.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> vthor In France, this only apply if a judge consider that the encryption method (which IS NOT EXCLUSIVELY used for control integrity or authentication) represent a national threat, such that it has been designed for this purpose. Very vague obviously 1984 federal type of trust but this isn't completely black. The two first paragraph of the law article explains very well that the u<clipped message>

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sage of cryptography is completely free for anyone.

"you don't need permission, you just need to declare you are doing so, which telegram forgot to do" <- wrong, you need, at least 7 years ago.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> source (use translate): legifrance.gouv.fr/loda/article_lc/LEGIARTI000006421577

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> warning: french

and, the next thing is that france will lock you up first and 3 years later you will have your process....

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> vthor happens very rarely. maximum lock is 1 year in jail, if they haven't managed to get any proof by that the governement can be sued (and you practically always win)

won't discuss it further here in public, but I can asure you, you need - if they want...

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> understandable

"vthor happens very rarely. maximum lock is 1 year in jail, if they haven't managed to get any proof by that the governement can be sued (and you practically always win)" <- you win your time back? :S

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah for real. really shitty system

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but at least its not UK ig

SyntheticBird == s​yntheticbird:monero.social

?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes

vthor, you mean they inspect all incoming devices or what?

1 year in jail? That is enough to destroy the person completely though, so what's the point of suing if the trauma has already made your life hell?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer, no the law is self explanatory. Any cryptographic algorithm that doesn't serve control integrty or authentication (meaning message encryption) have to be declared and approved to the ministry of interior (you have to provide the source code obv). Any break of this will get you into jail.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This is the same type of shit with *le Hacking tool*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> this law was a fucking meme

and of course if they want access you will provide it, or....

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Any *tool that is capable of breaking an information system (computer)* must be registered to the ministry of interior, and you cannot possess it, or you go in jail for up to 7 years

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> my nigger in christ

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> 😆

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> my keyboard firmware

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oops sorry for the slur didn't mean it

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> What??

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> This is UK?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> my minister in christ

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Hard to believe that this law exists

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm talking about France

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Even worse... just ban all technology then 🤮

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Is that the verbatim legislature? Can you send a link? No way this is how it is worded

"vthor, you mean they inspect all incoming devices or what?" <- don't know, I would not travel to UK ever

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> hold on im searching it rn

"Hard to believe that this law exists" <- really?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Hyperbole

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I can fathom its existence, but it is unruly

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> recanman: legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI000028345220

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Thank you

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Detaining a program that has been conceived or capable of commiting the infraction (hacking) without authorization from the ministry of interior will lead you to being punished with the same amount of years as if you commited the infraction

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Detaining a program that has been conceived or capable of commiting the infraction (hacking) without authorization from the ministry of interior will lead you to being punished with the same amount of years as if you commited the crime

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sry irc people

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Hahaha

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This is peak France justice system right here

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> netcat can send malicious payloads, shut it down!!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> for real

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Ban computers because they can be repurposed for hacking

and it is like everywhere laws don't apply to the gov or will not be enforced either, but hey, not dramatic at least it is in a country what has "democracy" :D

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> 😄

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> The US is at least a little more competent about these things, but still not good

will not say anything about that....

syntheticbird, I meant is its use guaranteed to be detected when you enter?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer no

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> like anything in France. a cops arrest you then scroll the book and see if he can convict you

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's really dead simple

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Same in CZ

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> You can pay your fines with PayPal or credit card

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> (or cash)

<b​asses:matrix.org> F*ench?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> for real

it's everywhere the same, gov is THE organized crime - everywhere, and always.

Well yeah - so I guess you can only get in trouble for encryption if you get randomly picked out?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer yes

vthor: yep

That last message from vthor is the only thing I've read so far in this channel today.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> That is where LUKS falls short, but VeraCrypt has plausibly-deniable encryption

"Well yeah - so I guess you can only get in trouble for encryption if you get randomly picked out?" <- you can get in trouble for what ever and if there is nothing it can be fabricated, really.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> recanman: fwiw in France, if the cops is telling this disk is encrypted and you say its not, you're getting into jail

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Wh... what?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> they don't understand a fucking shit about level of entropy or headers

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> either you have the money to get a good lawyer that will explain these basics, or you are screwed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> because not giving your encryption key is obviously a crime

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dont get me wrong, you should always have plausible deniability, but in practice its far more complicated

you can only proove ther is nothing encrypted if the whole disk contains 0's btw...

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Certainly

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah that level of convicted until proof of the opposite

Yeah, and in such a situation charges could be made up anyway... As I like to say, real life has random crits - you can be destroyed by random bullshit.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Easy solution: Don't live in France

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> 😄

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Exactly

:D there is no safe plae on this f... earth. And I suggest to not trust "your" lawyer either, he has a finacial incentive to have you in instead of out..... learn the language and search for loop holes is yields mostly the best results...

<b​asses:matrix.org> see 5.18 section in gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/-/…lyAskedQuestions#5-security-aspects

If you think that the US is better, there are plenty of examples, and there worse (for non US citizens or US citizens abroad) is that they are like the germans and think all is in there jurisdiction..., and instead of "Easy solution: Don't live in France', I think always best is: "Don't live where you hold a passport or residence, being tourist is the best joker card you can have" - as long they don't really want you so much, then you

are fucked anyway....

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Looks like I was very misinformed, thank you for clearing things up

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I agree with you vthor. I was half-joking

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> In terms of the raw legislature, US is clearer. But in practice... no

all teather, I'm always shocked how much "people" trust in gov, and then when somebody get locked up the rest: "if he didn't do anything he would not be locked up, we are not in China or Russia...." :D

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Yes, of course, because in US, the main adversaries are CN and RU

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> So they always have someone to blame

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> And additionally, a lot of idealism

I read from time to time it news from germany and since some years I get sick reading comments there - and wonder how someone like that could end up in IT...

Yeah, vthor, the tendencies are global

gm

wrong room

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Lol

hey

do you guys think there is a future for monero? i see monero always getting regulated, and by regulated, i mean making it harder and harder to buy & sell as fiat.

its not regulation as in going through some kyc and having it linked to you and/or held in a cex

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sn0wbytzz. when humans see something as rare as privacy they will always take risks to access it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> now you can pray my son. Pray for our god monero-chan

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Her light will always reach monero users

<r​ealprodisty:matrix.org> are you part of the gay faggot community?

what

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what

<r​ealprodisty:matrix.org> SyntheticBird: are you part of the gay faggot community?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what is the gay faggot community?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Okay multi trolls

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no bro i'm transphobic/homophobic/racist/antisemitic/islamophobic

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Monerophobic

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Im a real piece of shit like you

<r​ealprodisty:matrix.org> so you're not a part of the gay faggot community?

what the edgyness

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what the skibidi

<r​ealprodisty:matrix.org> i think you're a gay faggot

<r​ealprodisty:matrix.org> hey listen faggot

<r​ealprodisty:matrix.org> did you know

<r​ealprodisty:matrix.org> that the majority of predators are actually gay?

<r​ealprodisty:matrix.org> did you know that faggot?

nice monero discussion we got here!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> there is no way. as a faggot i didn't know

sn0wbytzz: I think monero is the best bet on freedom. The issue is still that xmr is measured against fiat, screw fiat, screw the state and stop enslave yourself. Of course there are still issues, how it will hard to buy product like gas which are mainly taxes...

<r​ealprodisty:matrix.org> did you know that the majority of predators are gay nigga?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no you're kiddin

<r​ealprodisty:matrix.org> did you know that the majority of predators are gay nigga did you know that the majority of predators are gay?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bro you're enlightened

money is a piece of "material" ( whether it can be digital or not ) that is agreed upon being traded for resources. cryptocurrency will never outperform fiat, because the government is too powerful, and we, the people, simply have no control

but i believe you xmr is the next step to freedom

did you know that the IQ from realprodisty is actualy bellow room temprature (in celcius btw)

<r​ealprodisty:matrix.org> did you know that gay faggots are the majority of predators, they abuse their partners more than normal people, they are much more likely to get stds and spread it they are very likely to end up dying to themselves. Gays must be removed from society.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but tell me tell me realprodisty how can i stop being a faggot

guys i think the matrix <--> irc should be abandoned wtf is this

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sn0wbytzz: first time?

on your irc channel, yes.

i participate in the monero telegram group chat and let me tell ya its less edgy

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i can believe you there is only two mod in this channel

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix side i mean

one of them is waiting for matrix to load

2 mods for matrix?

<system> file mosque.mp4 too big to download (6249952 > allowed size: 1000000)

<r​ealprodisty:matrix.org> mosque.mp4

theres 3 mods for this irc channel

<system> file brenton_aura.mov too big to download (3531924 > allowed size: 1000000)

<r​ealprodisty:matrix.org> brenton_aura.mov

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> somehow i don't wanna see the thumbnail of what he just sent

will links be deleted in your matrix chats

<r​ealprodisty:matrix.org> what did i just send???

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof can i be mod too ?

"one of them is waiting for matrix to load" <- loading the 12 gauge :)

do you guys only hold monero? lel

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sn0wbytzz I hold LTC as well

nice lol

how about btc?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> why would I own a currency that make me lose approximately half of my fortune in transaction fee?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof! attack ban,

<i​amagayfaggot:matrix.org> i have turned into a gay faggot now

<i​amagayfaggot:matrix.org> i am a gay faggot now

you're gonna lose a dollar..

<i​amagayfaggot:matrix.org> i am gay now

when you pay for the pees

i pay half a cent for the fees and it goes well

plus bitcoin has more support in merchants that accept crypto

i buy my domains on namecheap with bitcoin.