<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> No. Telegram only. Bull had a Discord bridge going at some point though...

<m​odul8:matrix.org> I can't believe this thing hasn't been shut down

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> The fact that it have no future/margin probably help not getting offed

Why just telegram? The one thing that's hard to use anonymously? I would be scared doing this from my main account...

Has been a while since I needed to use my wallet - just tried to launch monerod --detach --pidfile <path-to-monero-data> but was hit with "E Failed to open specified PID file for writing"

I guess it's a permissions issue on the directory, but no luck from chown/mod'ing to allow group access for the monero user

Did something get changed?

Might I be screing up the perms somehow?

s/screing/screwing

Used chmod 774, and chown <user>:monero

Using v0.18.3.4-release

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> U dont need a pid file

I also just realised that I needed to provide the full path including a filename, not just a directory

I suppose I don't need it....true

<j​ohndoe427:matrix.org> ... How is Telegram hard to use anonymously? Do you not know how to buy accounts? lol

You mean that allows you to use it without the official app ever being involved somehow?

And anyway, where do they get thw accounts? Do they usually jusy register them for sale, or they're hacked? The latter would be deeply, deeply unethical to buy.

<k​ey_brolin:matrix.org> why I can't post here

<k​ey_brolin:matrix.org> 😃

<k​ey_brolin:matrix.org> hello

<o​we_addams:matrix.org> Hey, guys, can I ask you, if you consider Monero as an investment? or it's just a working horse for anonymous transactions?

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Primarily the latter but if you’re good at forecasting it potentially can be an investment.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Confidential* transactions

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Anonymous is a bit of a misrepresentation

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Monero is on the verge of becoming an asset is antifragile. If certain conditions are met, Monero could be seen as an investment opportunity that benefits from uncertainty and chaos.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Monero is on the verge of becoming an asset that is antifragile. If certain conditions are met, Monero could be seen as an investment opportunity that benefits from uncertainty and chaos.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> The fact that the price remains stable, development continues, and volume on trusted sources like DEXes is growing despite being delisted from the largest exchanges is truly surprising. No other cryptocurrency could survive such events as well as Monero, which is a good sign, but not conclusive proof of antifragility yet.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/QoiotubJHyvdGoZMiHPTJkDS

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> It may sound counterintuitive, but one condition I'm hoping for is that Monero gets delisted from Kraken, KuCoin, and the remaining major CEXs. If this happens, Monero will be set. I think this can wait until Serai comes out, Haveno UI improves, and more people use BSX, though.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> We really need serai before that

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> once serai is here, i am all for total CEX delisting

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and haveno needs the 0% encrypted offers option

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if all CEXs vanished tomorrow, including instant swappers, it would be VERY hard to get even the 0.1 XMR needed for haveno

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> once serai is live, not an issue anymore.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not if u use basicswap to swap some ltc or btc to xmr to get your deposit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also, were working to make bsx integrations into swappers easy

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> right

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if you can manage to install it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> swappers like wizardswap and exch use their own reserves. This would make it possible for them to use basicswap as a source of liquidity, and also allow swappers to swap with swappers automatically

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> then again you could also list something on moneromarket or bazaar to get coins

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Basicswap-bash = easy as fk to install_ even on windows

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but those are just not realistic options for 95% of peopl

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> a terminal probably scares off 99.8% of people 😅

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm talkong about: exch would use basicseap on the backend

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the biggest problem is if ppl install, THEN get scared away

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Basicswap-bash is simple to turn into a deb, appimage etc, but not doing that until the post-install experience is smooth

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> like me

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i love the idea

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> we recently (temporarily) removed the windows exe as well. If you cant copy and paste 1 command and follow prompts, then basicswap is too early for you.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> BUT having third party integrations allows big entities to provide and take liquidity seamlessly

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i tried like 3 times but every time i shut it down after the initial install, it never comes back up

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> once it blew up my entire machine (i assume because it couldnt handle the sudden load of syncing multiple chains?)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> That should be fixed now, but still a few weeks until we have a better flow for buying

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Basicswap-bash doesnt add all cpins at oncr, it includes a helper program/script (bsx-addcoin) that lets you add coins one by one

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Do we need BasicSwapDex if we are using Haveno?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they are quite different and both important

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Use them both and youll have a better idea of each others strengths

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Theres no way to be an automatic market maker on haveno, for example. Theres no way to use fiat on basicswap

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> From what ive seen, most bsx users are also haveno users

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> The exe installer for BasicSwapDex is missing. Do I have to install using Docker only?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It was intentionally removed

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Ok

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Use the linux installtion script suite inside of wsl or a vm

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> github.com/nahuhh/basicswap-bash

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Thank you!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No problem

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Not if u use basicswap to swap some ltc or btc to xmr to get your deposit <- Yeah but then there's the issue of where to get the BTC/LTC, lol. Plus fees. But I guess Bisq 2 would take care of it.

Also, when it comes to all CEX delistings - I wonder what would happen to businesses. Do you think high-volume traders would appear on decentralized exchanges for them? And what their legal status would be.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> A bunch of US states dont require MSB licenses

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> for crypto. So a business selling its crypto should be perfectly legal

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i think even florida? Allows you to pay tax bills in crypto

How is "a business selling its crypto" distinct from an "exchange" that does have to do KYC and AML?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> one facilitates swaps between other people, and lists securities

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> One accepts crypto as payment and then exchanges that crypto

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> One if a facilitator of trades for other people, one is the maker or taker

testing first time on irc

<f​reddi99:matrix.org> hello! just joined IRC right now. am looking how to differentiate between monero "overall" chats and all the others like "markets" and such. if someone could tell me where i landed, would appreciate

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Youre in the general room

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Getmonero.org > community > hangouts

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You can see a description there

<f​reddi99:matrix.org> ok i found it and joined, could only join through the invite link but was unable to find it by the name inside the matrix app. thanks!

<s​iren:kernal.eu> What should the mixin value be for transfers? I see many old discussions on stackoverflow saying that the default value of the official wallets is 4, is it still the case?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Also any privacy implications of setting that to 0?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> It's 0 for wallet rpc it seems

<s​iren:kernal.eu> github.com/monero-project/monero/bl…master/src/wallet/wallet2.cpp#L4940

If you're spending rct outputs, which is very likely, this value does not apply.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> pre-rct*?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Oh nvm, read it backwards

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> rcp should defaults to 16. Errors with something like 7"mixin value of 1 too low. using 16"

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> BlueyHealer,

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I work for a financial business, where we're still holding out hope for delistings from CEXes. When DEXes gain enough traction - mainly the release of Serai - and once I've convinced some higher-ups about using BSX, I'm confident that we'll become one of the large market makers. I assume there will be an increase in high-volume traders on the platform because, unfortunately, we ca<clipped message>

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> n't be the only firm eyeing Monero.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> The profit opportunity is simply too great to pass up.

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<m​onero_e:matrix.org> ima_55ba9e3.jpeg

<m​onero_e:matrix.org> Left some monero stickers at the book shop in the bitcoin propaganda

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I agree, but the time estimates haven't given me confidence yet. We want to provide liquidity as soon as possible. Not one year from now 😁

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i dont think youll have to wait that long

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<m​onero_e:matrix.org> Doing my part🫡

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Fortunately, I hope it doesn't come to that, because the longer we wait, the higher the chance is that other firms, such as Jump, will catch on.

<v​iktor:crossbach.de> @googlemozilla:matrix.org do not invest in monero. do not provide liquidity, it is a bad idea. listen to my advise, yes? if you put any money into monero, you will be giving money to drug dealers, botnet operators, hackers. they take all 864 xmr daily emission and sell it, 100% of it.

<v​iktor:crossbach.de> price is low because of two reasons. not because of cex manipulation, no, that is not true. price go down because of sell pressure from bad people, botnet operators, hackers, drug dealers. they have all xmr and make price go down. you should be careful with your money, invest in good things, not in monero. you will get fired for touching monero.

<v​iktor:crossbach.de> read my private message. stay away from monero.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Is this a joke or a meme? I am aware that similar memes have gained popularity within the Monero community.

<h​opeful24:matrix.org> Also monero was made and used as a currency and is open source

<h​opeful24:matrix.org> If you buy it up and make it unstable it might very well be forked and you'll be left holding the bag

<v​iktor:crossbach.de> no, i am serious. $100,000 xmr is being sold every day to botnet operators. if you buy xmr, you are essentially giving money to these individuals. they steal everything, da?

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Adequate liquidity is crucial for Monero's stability. By providing sufficient liquidity, the market price is likely to reflect the coin's true value.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I don't think this is true.

<v​iktor:crossbach.de> read my private message. i show proof))

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Could you send it to me as well?

<v​iktor:crossbach.de> no you are like pawn. you show big player and we get them out of xmr for safety

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Okay

thank you drug users for buying monero lol

miners selling montero?

what a surprise

<h​opeful24:matrix.org> Thats true low liquidity options make a horrible currency but for fiat currency there are two things customers want

<h​opeful24:matrix.org> Dependability

<h​opeful24:matrix.org> Reputation

<h​opeful24:matrix.org> You want a currency that doesn't move much day to day and that does not move in price greatly without some signal before hand. Nobody except investors like a currency that moves 15% in a day

<h​opeful24:matrix.org> Reputation knowing that the governing body will continue to act as they have

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> The 'proof' that was sent to me is based on forum posts from darknet forums selling stolen data, only for Monero. Also, it appears that the 63.4% hash rate from nanopool and SupportXMR is coming from botnets according to this user, and that at least 547.776 XMR are being sold daily.

governing body?

<h​opeful24:matrix.org> Also I should note in the case of monero if you really want to sell it you should have no KYC policy

<v​iktor:crossbach.de> Пидор fuck you

yes botnets mine monero, breaking news from 10 years ago

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Yeah, I'm aware of the second point

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "<n​ioCat> governing body?" My body my choice

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> We will be providing the majority of our liquidity on Serai, which means that there will be zero KYC requirements.

<h​opeful24:matrix.org> The monero project

<h​opeful24:matrix.org> If they said they were gutting the ring size to 1 or 2 and trying to make it less private and easily tracable people would run

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Banmonero.com

<h​opeful24:matrix.org> Assuming your real take a look at mullvads business model

<v​iktor:crossbach.de> do not provide liquidity. you will go to jail. stop it

<h​opeful24:matrix.org> You can pay for a mullvad account in cash

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Send 2 me, im more of a prawn

viktor, yet another CIA retard from the german branch

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> googlemozilla let me know when you want to trial basicswap 👍

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> New release should be in a few days, including bch

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> #freerogerver release

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> No, I'm afraid that's incorrect. We've been providing liquidity on TC and other decentralized exchanges (primarily on Ethereum) without any issues. Serai won't be any different.