<letscage.com:matrix.org> yo

<frogmindset:matrix.org> is there a way to make it so it doesnt show all of the leaving and joining messages?

<frogmindset:matrix.org> its annoying since it keeps clogging up chat

what matrix client?

<frogmindset:matrix.org> huh my mining wont start

<frogmindset:matrix.org> baz: element

<frogmindset:matrix.org> also i need help, i cant mine monero, the mining wont start, its stuck saying the status is "Starting P2Pool"

<frogmindset:matrix.org> i hasve stopped and restarted the node a few times now

<frogmindset:matrix.org> anyone have any ideas on why it wont work?

<kevino:tchncs.de> @frogmindset:matrix.org: #p2pool-log:monero.social

08:19:35 <br-m> <frogmindset:matrix.org> is there a way to make it so it doesnt show all of the leaving and joining messages?

welcome to IRC matrix bridging, where we bring IRC to you

<nhnn:nhnn.dev> Settings -> Preferences -> Show join/leave messages (invites/removes/bans unaffected) > <@frogmindset:matrix.org> element

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<basses:matrix.org> xeiaso.net/notes/2025/we-dodged-a-bullet > <@syntheticbird> You'll notice that most of the comments are not blaming the author personally for falling into that phishing campaign, but actually condemning cryptocurrencies as a whole, claimit it to be the fuel of this fiasco.

<basses:matrix.org> thanking that the attack only targeted metamask (cryptocurrency only) if it was an infostealer, things would've been worse.

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<br-m> > <@syntheticbird> You'll notice that most of the comments are not blaming the author personally for falling into that phishing campaign, but actually condemning cryptocurrencies as a whole, claimit it to be the fuel of this fiasco.

fullmetalScience: how are you not auto k-lined

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<fullmetalScience> <@syntheticbird> You'll notice that most of the comments are not blaming the author personally for falling into that phishing campaign, but actually condemning cryptocurrencies as a whole, claimit it to be the fuel of this fiasco.

<fullmetalScience> the attack only targeted metamask (cryptocurrency only) if it was an infostealer, things would've been worse.

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<Cindy_> are you not auto k-lined

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<fullmetalScience> You'll notice that most of the comments are not blaming the author personally for falling into that phishing campaign, but actually condemning cryptocurrencies as a whole, claimit it to be the fuel of this fiasco.

<fullmetalScience> attack only targeted metamask (cryptocurrency only) if it was an infostealer, things would've been worse.

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fullmetalScience was legit some time ago

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<fullmetalScience> notice that most of the comments are not blaming the author personally for falling into that phishing campaign, but actually condemning cryptocurrencies as a whole, claimit it to be the fuel of this fiasco.

<fullmetalScience> only targeted metamask (cryptocurrency only) if it was an infostealer, things would've been worse.

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his brain just went crazy

looks like a faulty bridge configuration

it bridged this channel.. to itself

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<fullmetalScience> targeted metamask (cryptocurrency only) if it was an infostealer, things would've been worse.

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<basses:matrix.org> Syn on irc, betrayal

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<fullmetalScience> most of the comments are not blaming the author personally for falling into that phishing campaign, but actually condemning cryptocurrencies as a whole, claimit it to be the fuel of this fiasco.

<fullmetalScience> metamask (cryptocurrency only) if it was an infostealer, things would've been worse.

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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Fullmetalscience, your irc is cooked

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<fullmetalScience> of the comments are not blaming the author personally for falling into that phishing campaign, but actually condemning cryptocurrencies as a whole, claimit it to be the fuel of this fiasco.

<fullmetalScience> (cryptocurrency only) if it was an infostealer, things would've been worse.

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<br-m> your irc is cooked

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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Please stop messaging

I wonder, are the chanops ever active here?

they're active sometimes

ofrnxmr is unfortuantely only a mod in the matrix side

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i'm not a mod on matrix side

<fullmetalScience> irc is cooked

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oh finally they got k-lined

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Bros don't trust me like that

Cindy_: Nope, they flooded themselves off.

that counts too :P

i was wondering why they didn't get automatically kicked off the network for flooding sooner

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i wonder if it was a fake fullmetalscience(?)

they connected to libera from mail.xmr.id

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/525 <- this is FMS

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Xmr.id is their addr

so it's them, but i don't know what kind of bot they were trying to run here

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> fullmetalScience is the service provider and maintainer of XMR.ID and xmr.zone

also sorry for bringing you here, She

sorry

No worries.

thanks She , right, lets mute them here an hope they contact someone i guess

Sounds like a plan.

I'll stick around for a bit just in case.

Anyone know when DNS checkpointing is gonna be a thing?

two more weeks

(ignore me)

Aaajww291: it's already a thing

it's in the codebase, it's been a thing for years

you just have to specifically enable it when you're hosting monerod

ah

--enforce-dns-checkpointing

the tracking issue is monero-project/monero #10064

there is an MRL meeting today where it is on the agenda monero-project/meta #1266

Aaajww291

plowsof, thanks

so.. it's not a thing?

oh it is a thing yes, there are even hard coded checkpoints updated each release AND ones over at DNS (but these are old.. 2018 old)

the rolling nature of the DNS updates and the glue to make it happen.... the infrastructure behind this and making sure there are no bugs... all that good stuff is in progress and i assume is the root question

the proposed checkpointing differs significantly from the checkpointing currently being worked on

whoops

now we're both lost

*from the current checkpointing

the DNS experts DataHoarder is available in the hallway at the end of this talk

I'm not an expert, just an unfortunate soul

:D

thank you for your sacrifice

you know it's bad when the co-author of the DNSSEC practices RFC regrets what they did

> Even though I co-authored RFC 4641, laying out how you should run DNSSEC - I think in retrospect that BCP is way too complex, ah the sin of youth.

here's one thing i got lost in monero

there are fees in transactions for miners, but miners can also reintroduce a certain amount of new XMR from mining

but.. how do they get paid?

do they get the fees? or the new XMR

they get fees and new xmr

makes sense

i don't know why i thought it was one of either things

that's what the coinbase tx is. they are allowed "emission XMR (right now 0.6 XMR as it's tail)" plus the fees from transactions they include

here's an example without included txs p2pool.observer/share/a41c42740a45d…92a5b3747378135e6f3edb355a10bcf4af3

base reward is 0.600000000000

in case of p2pool, they split it across miners

see coinbase tx p2pool.io/explorer/tx/c530e7985b25e…4a59da6fc3ec273a3a4b3aa7e0ce951a04c

oh today i learnt that p2pool users can name themselves

but yeah, this is super informative, thank you

that's just an observer feature :)

I have them sign a message using their wallet

which IS the miner address

example p2pool.observer/miner-options/44r7A…V5Tf/set_miner_alias?alias=abcd1234

i'm aware that you can sign messages with your main address

but like

this is the irst time i've seen that used :P

you can see some around nano.p2pool.observer

oh nano chain lol

did they find any blocks?

you can see "Recent Monero blocks found by P2Pool miners"

im mining on mini and hope one day I can get a pay out

praying here

i should get a i486 DX running MS-DOS w/ XMS

and mine on nano with it

you need at least 256 MiB of ram :)

for light mode

still need XMS :P

XMS 2.0 allows up to 64 MB, and XMS 3.0 allows up to 4 GB

which uhh.. if you can do 256 MB, you can do 2 GB :P

Cindy_: some CEXes (dfx.swiss) require you to sign messages with an address to sign in, too

i see

<ravfx:xmr.mx> I have only 128MB in my 486 :(

<ravfx:xmr.mx> I need to fine one for server or something

<ravfx:xmr.mx> And only 64MB is connected to the L2 cache

imagine randomX on i386 :P

with the seperate FPU?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Cindy_

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Can probably use EMS too, but it won't be ems386.exe bucause that one is limited to 32MB.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> But I think QEMM can do it

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Cindy_: Get a Weitek one

<ravfx:xmr.mx> I don't know how fast it could be... maybe like 0.3H/m or something

i'm not really familiar with x86

i'm more of a m68k kind of person

but i'd be very surprised if xmrig's JIT supports i486

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Cindy_: non, you probably have to make something yourself, ideally assembler code.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> And for randomx the memory requirement are, to say... Big

<ravfx:xmr.mx> I think there is a slower randomx but I never looked at it, I dont remember the specifics

your best way to run it might be to use the randomx javascript implementation

<ravfx:xmr.mx> helene: yeah, abstractions always make thing faster

ravfx: so not only do i have to write everything in assembly, but also somehow make it self-modify itself

or JIT generate code.. in assembly

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Cindy_: yeah.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Because there is no javascript engine that can run on such old hardware afaik, implementation in Netscape Communicator 4.77 won't do it.

also they'd be extra garbage

imagine running a randomX interpeter in a JS interpreter

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Cindy_: yeah, forget JS lol

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Cindy_: should be just a few order of magnitude slower

ravfx: quickjs probably could

(or ladybird's libjs)

<ravfx:xmr.mx> helene: there is no DOS port

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Linux eat all the RAM

<ravfx:xmr.mx> NetBSD is the most runnable OS, could be doable there... maybe

also JS doesn't expose any way of rounding up a floating point integer in a specific way (in IEEE)

so that has to be emulated in the JS code

which is a lot more slower

<ravfx:xmr.mx> so yeah, JS is abstractions

<ravfx:xmr.mx> so always slower

<ravfx:xmr.mx> maybe juste easier to get it to run

i want to add support for some CPU architectures in xmrig's JIT, but i don't wanna step on any of the xmrig dev's existing efforts

<ravfx:xmr.mx> BTW, if the miner can be made to just switch to pmode then XMS/EMS won't be required, and you get the usual flat memory addressing. It's probably going to be a lot faster that way compared to using XMS as XMS drivers just use pmode (so the program run in real mode, and each time it move something in XMS, it switch to pmode for [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/6urD8LMKTWRUOFoz ]

oh flat memory addressing? like 68K?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> I don't know about the m68k

<ravfx:xmr.mx> But for x86/amd64, it have flat memory addressing when it's running in protected mode

<ravfx:xmr.mx> in real mode it have segmented memory shenanigans

m68000/68010 has a 24-bit flat addressing mode (but addresses are stored in 32-bit registers)

later 68k variants have 32-bit flat addressing mode

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Cindy_: Yeah, I hear about that

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Apple did use some trickt to use the extra bits in the registers to store stuff

<albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr> There are segment stuff in modern 32bit x86 though

<ravfx:xmr.mx> it's why early apple program that used that trick could not work on 68020

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr: Yeah, and you can use segmented memory while in protected mode too.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> But afaik no one do that because why would you do that when you can use flat addressing

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Intel removed support for segmented memory in core 11th gen+ (I think)

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Ryzen still have it

<albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr> More than 4G of memory in 32bit mode I would say

you talking about PAE?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> @albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr: You mean like PAE?

<albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr> But I'm not sure

<ravfx:xmr.mx> I never looked how PAE work

<albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr> @ravfx:xmr.mx: Yeah I don't know how it works, but seems useful to have segments

<albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr> PAE seems to just be more levels of page tables

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Oh I see.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, segmented memory is specific to memory that use segments registers afaik

<ravfx:xmr.mx> And for randomx, considering it really love to trash memory, that would mean that one would have an overhead if it where to use segmentation instead of flat

<albertlarsan68:albertlarsan.fr> Segmented memory (in real mode) is only about 1 MB, right?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Segments was advertized by Intel as a form of way to separate memory type (data, code...) but in fact it was a bandaid as early x86 chip where 16 bits chips and had to address 24bits for the memory.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> So using segment+offset you could address that whole 24 bits worth of address with only 16 bits registers

<ravfx:xmr.mx> YEah, 1MB

<ravfx:xmr.mx> But they keep it available in pmode for newer chip (as a way to separate different memory type) but afaik no programmers ever used that lol

<ravfx:xmr.mx> And the reason real mode is stuck to 1MB is becuase lot of people where using the roll over trick

<ravfx:xmr.mx> placing the segment at the end of the memory to access the beginning of the address space without moving the segment register).

<ravfx:xmr.mx> So chip that could address more than 1MB starting the 286, boot with the A20 disabled to keep the roll over trick alive 😂

<ravfx:xmr.mx> At least the "PC" using x86 chip... Other machine did not have that limitation

<ravfx:xmr.mx> s/24/20/g in all occurance ^

i doubt it'll be fast anyway :P

the process of generating a giant dataset before even interpreting the RandomX code

that'd be quite slow

<ravfx:xmr.mx> For sure, hence my 0.3H/m guestimate metric 😂

hi fullmetalScience

<f> Apologies for the spam. There was some issue with the bouncer/bridge I set up today and I was afk. It's disabled while I investigate.

did you bridge the channel to itself?

that's what it looked like

<f> Hm maybe there's something that has it think other's messages are my own going out.

There's a new bridge here

which bridges IRC fully with puppets

we should make a bridge here that bridges to here

and also a bridge that bridges the convo here to a LLM

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Does it properly support edit?

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Like if a matrix user edit a message, what append on IRC side?

and another bridge that's a LLM too, so they can talk to each other

there is EDIT support to convert it to regex or diffs, but I have commented it out

so if you edit a typo it'd just send like *changed word

the full links this bridge posts have the most recent edit

that's the fallback :)

if you edit the "BTW, if the miner can be made to just switch to pmode" message it should get shown on mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/6urD8LMKTWRUOFoz

unless I commented that part out