So im using gupax to mine monero on p2pool but i have a proble. I cant seem to disable the donate level

how would i do it?

<s​olar:monero.social> You have to buildd xmrig from source to disable donations iirc github.com/xmrig/xmrig/blob/master/src/donate.h

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Isn't it possible to set `"donate-level": 0` in the config file or as command arg?

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> no, the lowest is 1, even if set to 0. if set to 0, it will be set to the minimum specified in src whcih is 1

<e​ddie:oblak.be> Ok I see, good to know

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah 1

<3​21bob321:monero.social> xmrig.com/wizard?#misc

<c​ypher_768:converser.eu> Guys where can I download the OPSEC bible?

if only there was a way to search for that info

wow

maybe i'll use ask jeeves

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> how do you know that it exists but not where to find it?

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> 💀

it was discussed here

so they asked here

like honestly

you can find it by.. searching it

I still keep telling the other old people that they can find most things with their tracking devices

i can't search it :(

ask jeeves is down

we used to go to the library to find information

<c​ypher_768:converser.eu> I know it exist. And I searched for it.

<c​ypher_768:converser.eu> I found this link: gist.github.com/vil/7dfdb362d3aef91183101c300da3c543

<c​ypher_768:converser.eu> I just want to check if this one is the right one.

when will they like.. bring it back up

down? so sad

<c​ypher_768:converser.eu> Because I though the OPSEC bible was a book

nah this isn't opsec bible

this is wish.com opsec bible

aliexpress version

<c​ypher_768:converser.eu> May I ask for the link of the true OPSEC bible ?

i think i found it while i was looking through xmrbazaar listings

i don't remember, it was by some guy named nihilist

<c​ypher_768:converser.eu> I read the article. So just to be sure.

<c​ypher_768:converser.eu> This is the link for the OPSEC bible : opbible7nans45sg33cbyeiwqmlp5fu7lkl…vrjeqadco5yd.onion/opsec/contribute ?

i mean.... looks like it?

it doesn't look like a book

but it looks like a wiki

<c​ypher_768:converser.eu> Well... Yeah it looks like a wiki.

<c​ypher_768:converser.eu> Thanks for the help

<b​erg:monero.social> Also available on nihilvrsb7kkidol2uuj3wmjdfovhchcsiebhu256l2jxajhp7za.b32.i2p

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> what is this qubic shit?

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> can a monero addict explain?

cryptobro trying to look tough lol

he has this token where you can mine monero

and whatever it is, will burn that monero for qubic

with his mining pool

and he wants to attract more miners to reach 51% hashrate

so he can have a monopoly over the network

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> ai training platform(tm)

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> or so they say

that shit is a meme lol

90% of qubic's talking points are pure bullshit

or maybe more than that

its just a scam parasitic token

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> Cindy: burn?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 51% will be much easier if we dont fix the proce @nioc

sell monero for qubic

honestly to me, it sounds like a scam

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> so they mine monero

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> and then sell the monero for qubic coins

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yeah they mine monero

yes

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> xD

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> well

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sell it, ans then buy their low volume "coin"

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> the only solution is to mine more right?

mine more to push them away

and decentralize mining

like stop people from mining in centralized big pools

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> I already run a monero node

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> does that affect anything?

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> lol

no

o​frnxmr I don't have to sell for a year

to me, this qubic shit sounds like a scam

i bet this guy doesn't even care about 51%

he just wants the XMRs

and will rugpull the community in a different way

they keep wanting to give me loans, maybe get some more rigs

we need more MINERS!!!

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> XMRIG HARDER AND HARDER

qubic shills posting in monero subreddit saying it will destroy monero > price go down

monero go to qubic subreddit and say it ultimately won qubic and proved it supremacy > price goes up

ez

and we should do the same amount of posts they did in r/monero

like 3003 posts and +3214981320 comments

i googled the founder of qubic

and found mentions of lawsuits about fraud

i remember the name from long ago

how come cryptobros are always like this

sorry ape grifters

your extra dollar reward (that's coming from his pockets) aren't convincing

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> well

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> can I mine with 25% of my CPU?

yes, you can mine with a specific amount of threads

but RandomX is quite RAM-heavy

i'd say 2GB

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> I have enough RAM

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> not enough CPU

anything hosted on the servers themselves?

is the server at constant-load,

constant-load?

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> yeah

also need 2MB L3 cache per thread

yeah, no

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> but not too heavy

that's a bad idea

don't mine monero in a server with its own problems

so many intel cpus are limited

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> 2 load average of 6 cores

hm 2 out of 6 cores?

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> yeah

you could mine on 4 threads

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> nah I would prefer to mine on 1 instead lol

and see how it'll affect the rest of your server

oh sure lol

it's up to you

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> but is not possible to do less than 1?

nioc: 2MB L3 cache per core?

nah you can't do less than 1 thread

that's like.. impossible

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> I see

you can't do a half A-press

my cores have 2 threads

if you use just one thread in on core then yeah 2MB/core :D

*one core

just do 1 thread mining

or at least, adjust threads according to load

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> and I guess p2pool is the best ne

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> and I guess p2pool is the best one

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> because is p2p of course lol

i mean

you should p2pool in another server

you should host p2pool*

or maybe just configure it to offload verification to the monero node

I use --light-mode for p2pool, it doesn't utilize much cpu or ram, works fine

yeah RandomX light mode uses 256MB

but it's slower, only meant for verification i guess

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> verification of what

verification of the mined results

or hashes i should call them

again fijxu, since you host your own monero node

you can use --no-randomx, which will offload that verification stuff to your monero node via RPC calls

which will save up 256MB (on top of the 2GB regular RandomX mode)

an additional 256MB*

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> cool

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> also

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> I'm retarded

how

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> so what's the difference between 18081 and 18089 ports for monerod RPC

i think one of them is ZMQ and uhh

one of them is RPC?

i don't know

monerod hosts 2 ports

89 is zmq i think, for instant notifications fromm node

Cindy yes

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> zmq is different

p2pool needs zmq

zmq is a thing like webhook, so you don't poll node for new blocks or whatever info

as i understand

18089 is a convention for public RPC port. 18081 is the default RPC port. zmq convention is 18083.

<e​ddie:oblak.be> sorry to interrupt but quick question about p2pool; is there a payout minimum like with classic pools, or do you just get paid anytime you get a reward?

zmq pub/sub is... I don't think there is a convention for this one.

eddit: yes, each new block found on p2pool you get a peace of

eddie*

eddie you get paid anytime you have a share in the PPLNS window when the pool finds a block

AFAIK, you build your own coinbase with p2pool, so no minimum, it's exactly what you're owed.

nioc said it more precisely :)

<e​ddie:oblak.be> cool

<e​ddie:oblak.be> thanks!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "<m​oneromooo> 18089 is a convention for public RPC port. 18081 is the default RPC port. zmq convention is 18083." < 18082 for zmq

Oh, yes. 82 for zmq rpc, 83 for pub/sub. Thanks.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrn says (cuz i like to be neat): Zmq pub/sub is 18083 (to be next to zmq), tor inbound 18084, i2p inbound 18085

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 18089 restricted rpc, 81 (default) unrestricted

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 18083+ arent defaulted to anything though. All manually set ports

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 18080 is a play on 80 -> 8080 -> 18080. 🧠

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> oke I'm now mining at 460H/s lol

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> nothing

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> at least is something

<e​ddie:oblak.be> that's 1 thread?

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> yep

<e​ddie:oblak.be> add 3 more, if you only have load 2 / 6

<e​ddie:oblak.be> together we'll defeat those qubic clowns :D

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> maybe I should really buy some solar panels

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> and some batteries

<e​ddie:oblak.be> that's always a good idea not just for mining

<e​ddie:oblak.be> if you live in a sunny place of course

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> yes I live in a sunny place

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> and a 100W solar panel here is like 47USD I guess

<f​ijxu:nadeko.net> kinda cheap I guess

<e​ddie:oblak.be> one 100W solar panel is not the other

<e​ddie:oblak.be> there's a whole science to solar 😅

<e​ddie:oblak.be> but I can only encourage you to try

"monero is eco-unfriendly"

solar panel says what

<e​ddie:oblak.be> monero is super eco friendly

<e​ddie:oblak.be> funny thing is "then came AI" and everyone was like "fuck the environment"

<h​azing458:matrix.org> Why xmr dumped

<e​ddie:oblak.be> because people sell it, that's how it works

<e​ddie:oblak.be> but I heard price talk is not allowed here

<h​azing458:matrix.org> Oh sry

<e​ddie:oblak.be> iirc there's #monero-markets for that

"money is eco-unfriendly" fify

<t​esttank:matrix.org> Imo we should change this policy, the price is the most important thing about XMR, if it were 10x higher the hashrate would be high enough where we wouldn’t have to worry about a shitcoin taking over the network

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> I'm not sure how a fluctuating price would help in any way a coin to be adopted

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> (oh, not the marketing group, still, point is there)

<t​esttank:matrix.org> I’m talking about security, a higher price gives more budget to secure the network

or maybe more attractiveness to miners?

because 10x higher means 10x higher rewards

up until more miners join in

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> but more miners would mean less rewards, no?

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> for each that is

<e​ddie:oblak.be> yes indeed, it's simple math

<e​ddie:oblak.be> you have a pie, share it amongst 4 people

<e​ddie:oblak.be> than try to share same pie amongst 8

<e​ddie:oblak.be> slices will have to be smaller

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> yeah, unless blocks are created faster? but the ~2minutes should be steady-ish right?

yep

<e​ddie:oblak.be> I think it was changed during a hardfork in 2016? before there were more blocks?

i meant

smaller slices of pie but they have the same calories

higher price means much bigger pie to split

nioc: totally :3

<e​ddie:oblak.be> no because the blocks / amounts of monero remain the same

<e​ddie:oblak.be> smaller slices just get more expensive in dollar terms

<e​ddie:oblak.be> but the dollar value of 1 monero has nothing to do with monero itself, in a way ..

i knoow

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> ideally no

<e​ddie:oblak.be> but there's a simple solution to get higher monero price

<e​ddie:oblak.be> spend more money buying it

<a​tomfried:matrix.org> is tradeogre dumping their exit scammed monero?

can we tell if their monero has moved?

other coins are ez

to see

<e​ddie:oblak.be> it's the whole point of monero that you shouldn't

<t​esttank:matrix.org> I thought about that

<t​esttank:matrix.org> But we will never know

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Was 1 minute before, with half as much rewards

<e​ddie:oblak.be> so total volume in rewards stayed the same?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yup

Is there a chat dedicated to Qubic countermeasures?

the only countermeasure is mining more

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> raid your ewaste recycling businesses

<s​packle:monero.social> Monero could enforce solo mining.

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> sounds like a terrible idea

solo mining is unscalable

atleast p2pool is

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> p2pool should be the way to go.

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> don't see any downsides to it, maybe there are tho

nah, not as many downsides as a centralized pool

<s​packle:monero.social> Not here to debate it; just pointing out it is an option.

even then

a person could stilll make a pool system

by solo-mining in one machine, and forwarding blocks to others to solve

one machine that forwards blocks*

<a​lexandre:uii.pt> for the network what would be the difference between solo, pool and p2pool? is it even possible to detect?

solo and pool might look the same

<s​packle:monero.social> Cindy: Your objection only has validity if the signing and PoW are separate steps. Integrate the signing into the PoW itself, include it in RandomX, and no the scheme you describe should not work.

<s​packle:monero.social> There is a small separation with the way it has been done previously, in that you sign each iteration before performing PoW. This would still mean you have to sign and send a huge number of messages out to workers.

how would you integrate signing into RandomX

<s​packle:monero.social> Any method of forcing a signature somewhere in the middle of PoW would suffice. It could be an operation the algorithm selects, any number of things.

and.. how would you verify?

i mean

i'd assume you'd shove a ed25519 there, so...

does the consenus have to include "verifying the signature with the miner's public address"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Problem with solo-only, is connectivity

<s​packle:monero.social> ofrnxmr: Might I ask you to detail that thought a bit more?

even if you managed to shove signing in the PoW algorithm

someone can manage to design a system to offload signing in-between the PoW

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If i am mining at home, with 12out 100in connections, it will take me longer to propagate my block (especially if partially sybilled) than a large miner who has 1000 peers

unless you make a billion signatures in the PoW challenge

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> P2pool gets around this by having the block propagated by all of the miners

like inside the random code

<s​packle:monero.social> In my opinion these arguments are not compelling. I stand by my statements above, and I think it is worth considering.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Wownero does solo-only, and my understanding is that it doesnt prevent someone from building pool-like infra ontop of it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Need to double check my old wownero mining configs, but iirc, i put the spend key in xmrig-proxy

exactly

wownero's "solo-only" solution still has a massive loophole

infact all it does is ruin p2pool

it's a solution that solves nothing and causes more problems

you need some modification to the PoW algorithm

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I like my idea of Proof Of Pow 🙃 lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> pools have to issue payouts, so any payout removes their stake. Pool miners arent eligible to stake, since they dont control coinbases, p2pool miner would be eligible, and solominers aswell

but many miners sell their coins anyway, I would guess a majority of the HR does

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> right

still incentive for more p2pool

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - Emission: pow blocks would be 1.08xmr, PPOW blocks would be 0.12

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - blocktime: Pow blocks would be 4mins, PPOW would be 4mins as well

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - eligibility: a) only pow mined coinbases (incl tx fees) would be eligible for staking. (no compound staking.) b) allowing for compound staking (can stake your emission from PPOW). In both cases, no buy-in. Only coinbases can be staked.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> larger block reward for pow probably helps p2pool as well

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> woof

meow

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> if only coinbases can be staked and somebody already has enough hashpower to do selfish mining, or god forbid >100% horsepower, they'll also have the majority of freshly mined coins

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> old coinbase transactions are exceedingly likely to have already been spent

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> if only coinbases can be staked and somebody already has enough hashpower to do selfish mining, or god forbid >50% hashpower, they'll also have the majority of freshly mined coins

i really don't understand this proof of pow

so basically you're staking on rewards... and paying out uhh

removes your stake?

someone please explain to me like i'm lobotomized

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They wont be selling their coinbases to pump their shitcoin

no no like

from the beginning please?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> That was response to moneroarbo/lyza

i mean

how do you get coinbases

<e​longated:matrix.org> Who knows if they are actually doing it ? They can just hold it and claim to buy

<e​longated:matrix.org> Mining your own blocks

<e​longated:matrix.org> If you can actually mine a block on a normal desktop, without competing with pools the this coinbase pos can be looked into.

<e​longated:matrix.org> If you can actually mine a block on a normal desktop, without competing with pools then this coinbase pos can be looked into.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> p2pool outputs are coinbases

ah coinbases

okay, what can you do with a coinbase

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So your 0.005xmr would be eligible to be staked

<e​longated:matrix.org> So a bother can direct it to p2pool and mined most of the blocks?

staked for what?

<e​longated:matrix.org> Botnet*

<e​longated:matrix.org> POS

oh i see

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Botnets can stake whatever they dont spend, yea. If they use coinbase instead of a centralized pool, yes theyd also have stake-eligible outputs

mixed-PoW and PoS

<e​longated:matrix.org> Doesn’t solve anything then 🤔 if a malicious actor keeps mining they have a bigger stake

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Solo-mining doesnt solve anything either. A botnet is no different from a regular miner

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cpu hashes dont have a voice or a soul

<e​longated:matrix.org> So why force coinbase coins for pos ? Vendors accepting xmr should be able to stake

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> because buy-in is the #1 thing that makes pos wack

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Tradeogre even staked their zano

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Every cex out there is staking eth

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Buy-in is how you take over a chain with nothing but $ and 0 work

<e​longated:matrix.org> Let them stake, why just allow botnets the advantage?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Proof of pow means you only get rewarded for proof of work

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nah i'm 100% not ok with buy-in pos

<e​longated:matrix.org> Both can stake, they can buy only if there is a seller

<e​longated:matrix.org> I am not for just pos, pow+pos should be fine

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> especially considering that monero had a fast emission, has huge whales already, and exchanges are malicious

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nack buy-in, 100%.

how would this stop qubic

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They claim to sell xmr. If they keep dumping, their stake % lowers

<e​longated:matrix.org> It’s 99.99999% fake claim

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> wait so if you're wallet with all your coinbase outputs is potentially compromised and you have to sweep to a new wallet..... tough shit I guess

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> like if you're worried someone might have your private key

i mean

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> yup

if CFB has money to burn on "bonuses" for miners

i'm sure he has money to burn on fake qubic rewards

and is just pocketing XMR

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I doubt it. They are supporting their scam token somehow

<e​longated:matrix.org> Bonuses paid in his meme token

the bonuses are coming straight out of his pocket

which means he's losing money over this

like they're not coming from monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> the bonuses are from fake / low liquidityprice

<e​longated:matrix.org> They just need to pay like 20-30xmr to 3rd world spammers and pay some xmr+tokens to miners

<e​longated:matrix.org> They just need to pay like 20-30xmr/day to 3rd world spammers and pay some xmr+tokens to miners

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah, and you think he's not selling xmr to subsidize his losses?

<e​longated:matrix.org> They are going to scam those greedy miners too

<e​longated:matrix.org> Which loss ? Tokens are printed in thin air

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> his campaign isnt free

^

<e​longated:matrix.org> He might even be controlling a botnet, who knows

he's giving additional bonuses to miners

and like

those have to come from somewhere

but most definitely not monero mining

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2.5gh isnt free. If its a traditional botnet,then he's a brave man

<e​longated:matrix.org> 20-30min/day to spammers, plus sell his fake tokens make mullah

his fake token is barely worth 1/100000th of a penny

<e​longated:matrix.org> Not entirely, but part of it; rest are greedy miners

<e​longated:matrix.org> And they have trillions in supply

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The greedy miners have to sell qubic to take a profit, which means someone has to buy it

<e​longated:matrix.org> Retail plebs winning over xmr 🤣

exactly

there has to actually be demand for qubic

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It costs 3x as much to buy qubic as the xmr that is produced. Either 2/3rd of the money comes from organic buyers (doubt it), or a large portion of it is covered by cfb

<e​longated:matrix.org> They buy dog car memes, ai memes are hot

which.. is very noticable in its price

qubic has absolutely no demand

nobody even gives a shit about qubic considering that its price is measured in scienctific notation

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> qubic isnt on any major exchange (was on tradrogre and is on some other fringe ones)

<e​longated:matrix.org> There is too much dumb money out there, many meme scam coin makes millions

CFB is probably burning tons of money on this bullshit

money out of his pocket

while he's betting that he can get as many suckers as he can to mine for him

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'm not buying that qubic has anyone actually buying it

<e​longated:matrix.org> So those volumes would be fake too

<e​longated:matrix.org> Or a VC

<e​longated:matrix.org> Indeed free xmr

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> Qubic has a current supply of 153,062,846,795,308 (lmao)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ninjamined

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Instant-ninja

one QUBIC is $0.000002412

coinmarketcap has to represent it in scientific notation

so i had to parse it myself

but like c'mon

it has NEVER reached beyond a penny

or even a sub-penny

<e​longated:matrix.org> It never will

it has never reached beyond 1/10000th of a penny

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> pubic price

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> pubic penny price

even with the big ol' dump

monero is still worth 109,361,525 times more than qubic

<f​iatmoneysucks:matrix.org> explorer.qubic.org/network

whoops i got the price wrong

qubic actually had another zero

so monero is still worth 121,049,792 times more than qubic

<s​packle:monero.social> I thought about embedding the signature into PoW a bit more, here's an idea. The message that is actually signed is a very lengthy product of expanding the RandomX state. So in order to sign, you either need to perform significant work yourself to expand RandomX state, or receive a very lengthy message.

<s​packle:monero.social> Make it so the length of the signed message is bandwidth prohibitive, the work of expanding is too much for a dispatcher, and perhaps that would do it.

or maybe include ed25519 operations in the RandomX instruction set

lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Lambo soon ?

yes

like

if we integrate ed25519 operations (with the only argument being a pointer to some data)

could we make it infeasible to offload signing to a RPC server

without miners DDoSing that server?

or uhh the pool giving the spend key to its miners?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Doesn't cuprate use RPC differently ?

i'm like talking about a server designed by a mining pool

that signs whatever data

also yes, whatever data can also include a transaction, heheheheahahahahahahhHHAHAHA

*cough cough*

assuming that the route mining pools want to take to establish compatibility

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Doesnt have rpc yet

i'm talking about a custom protocol that mining pools make to try to have a loophole around the algorithm

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sorry, i was responding to bob

ah sorry