jberman just released his first progress update! 🎉 repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/249#note_11480

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The work of jberman[m]'s decoy research is quite nice. I don't understand the part about needing to ask MyMonero developers what is in the code or not.

Is there still a good reason to close access to MyMonero components? Isn't this (fostering collaboration and reducing vulnerabilities) the main reason for projects to open access to source and design?

Anyone know when fluffy will be released if South African government doesn't send necessary documents?

selsta I saw September 19th somewhere on reddit

storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov…26/gov.uscourts.tnmd.87126.17.0.pdf has two dates, September 19th and October 19th, don't understand the legal text exactly which one is relevant

but it would be interesting if South African government can't send documents in time now

very convenient timing and target of the attack...

jk

:D

Remember that we have a Monero Meet this Saturday :)

Location Libera.chat, #monero-space | Matrix <<>> irc? really?

I will be traveling

The "child porn" is clickbait, this is about freedom hosting

That's a very old story, from 2013 old. W/ the owner of the business ultimately pleading guilty last year. Has little to no bearing for -community

msvb-mob: what's closed source is the server implementation, which includes where decoy outs are selected. decoy/random outs selection code of course should to be factored out of wallet2 so that it can be shared amongst implementations

-to

it's being said that "partners" are in control of the company right now but i should make it clear and say that is not the case. i can no longer vouch for who has access to that hosting

it's also clear they're, oddly enough, spreading falsehoods on twitter now about the levels of privacy the system guarantees

my access was revoked

it would be valuable to ask why

endogenic: What's the twitter account name?

i'm talking about the company mymonero

I don't mean to start any drama, but vtnerd was questioning jberman's empirical work very aggressively on github. I guess questioning me, too, when I piped up about it.

he's a very sharp dude and may have some reasons like ensuring you're aware of the whole background. i'd only be able to give you my impression on seeing the specific sentence/reply you have in mind

afk for a little

I looked at vtnerd's resume. There's no reason to think that vtnerd knows stats at a technical level.

Comments here: monero-project/research-lab #86

Here too: vtnerd/monero-lws #22

I already said my piece in #monero-beef:monero.social

i've never visited that channel And I would suggest that you keep such conversations recorded so that what you say can be verified

just read the first link where jberman says the criticisms were fair

endogenic: Oh, it was a one-sided conversation. A monologue, really

vtnerd has been around a long time and knows the ins and outs of monero better than most

I don't think vtnerd knows stats well. Very few programmer do. (That's why we are in the predicament that we are in with the mixin selection algorithm in the first place.)

I think you'll find him a very beneficial contributor to whatever stats work you demonstrate mathematically is important

I respond well when people recognize the limits of their own knowledge.

Originally ring signatures seemed to be sold more as providing "plausible deniability" which they still do even with powerful heuristics telling us which output in a ring is the most likely

BTC has plausible deniability

Rodney am I just suggest that you attempt to find a way to work together and not to take it personally because

Chances are you're reading too much into it as I know him personally

My text to speech is failing horribly

I mean, I can understand a brusque personality. That's fine. Economists are rough on each other too. It's not just the tone.

Plausible deniability seemed good enough until the tantalizing idea of size 100+ rings and nearly homogeneous transactions came about

we are one

if it's not just the tone then I would definitely suggest making a good record of such things because they will be important

carrington - Can churning single inputs still help to increase plausible deniability (in the case of collusion between sender -> you -> recipient)?

Overall I would definitely encourage people to make more thorough confirmations before they believe their conclusions about people

Is the github issue going to be deleted or something? What do I need a record of?

nioc: i am you

no my point is that your specific concerns should be highlighted rather than requiring someone who does not have your expertise to go through and determine exactly which sentences you believe are suspect

anarkiocrypto[m]: Churning is a controversial subject but I would say yes if you are careful not to merge outputs or do something easily correlated temporally

OK, good to know. I use fresh wallets per use case but churn before and after sending to these wallets (with some days between churns). I only have 1 input in each wallet.

endogenic: The difficulty of course is that I cannot adequately defend my position since a lot of the supporting work is now under review of the Vulnerability Response Process with HackerOne.

Shoutout to coin control in Feather wallet

Rucknium[m]: i know that feeling

I am trying to keep a lid on my feelings about it since I recognize that I am letting my previous interactions with programmers and computer scientists spill over into this one. That's why I went t #monero-beef:monero.social

carrington - My basic understanding of churn is that it creates a new "branch" of plausible deniability which would mean a colluder would need to waste time to look through every branch. No churn: 1/11 chance it was yours, one churn: 1/121, two churns 1/1331, three churns 1/14641, etc. Or am I understanding it wrong?

Fact: No qualified statistician has ever reviewed the Monero protocol, despite the fact that it relies quite heavily on resistance to statistical attack to protect user privacy

Or, should I say, no qualified statistician whose goal is to protect Monero users' privacy has reviewed the protocol.

We don't know what the other side is doing.

I am doing my best. I am about a month in.

anarkiocrypto[m]: Pretty much, but there are edge cases where you might end up combining outputs or creating some obvious pattern otherwise

Thanks. I only have 1 input in each wallet at one time (I don't reuse wallets to receive Monero) and churn every few days (no specific time).