So I said last week that I could moderate a -community meeting this week, but I forgot I have performance and afterparty that night. orz

I can still create issue if someone else can moderate. If no one wants to moderate I can do week after I think.

Thanks Keiji I'm happy to post an agenda, publicize and moderate for a meeting this week. Sunday 1700 UTC OK? I'll sort it out in a few hours

<carrington[m]> "Thanks Keiji I'm happy to..." <- carrington: I think documentation should be a topic of discussion at the next meeting. Would be great to have ErCiccione present to speak, but there's definitely a need to get more people involved in making not only documentation updates and getting through the github issue list, but creating *better* documentation- specifically good full-featured beginner guides that go

beyond topic-specific guides.

I think a documention-focused workgroup, some serious outreach to get more volunteers, and perhaps a documentation champion would be great things :-)

crypto_grampy: 100% . We have people dropping into #monero-dev:monero.social pretty frequently who would like to get involved, and for now the answer they get is "read the GitHub issues". To improve decentralization, we need more devs working on the Monero protocol itself as well as in the broader Monero ecosystem.

Here's what I consider a quintessential example of the problem and person that is not being served by the current getmonero documentation: reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/qc69y7/general_question

'Here's a 200 page book written 3 years ago'

Nothing wrong with Mastering Monero, but we should have a web guide on getmonero that is up to date, and provides excellent info

* Mastering Monero/the FAQ, but

crypto_grampy[m]: I dont see the problem

I agree that this is an important topic. A dedicated workgroup and other coordination is probably the solution. Hopefully we can identify the pain points and a way forward at the meeting if we get good attendance.

I think the questions that pop up in the reddit 'ask anything' threads are a good place to identify problems. I've had private discussions with many about a lack of a basic walkthrough/intro. sending someone to the faq or monero.how is not a good solution for that

We should work with escapethe3ra and their guide:

I think 'How can I contribute' is a good topic within a more comprehensive beginner guide. it's a common question

* common question. And escapethe3ra's guide is excellent

<crypto_grampy[m]> "carrington: I think documentatio..." <- I will be very happy to be there and even more happy that the problem documentation is being pushed by somebody else :)

Yesterday that Tor has a workgroup dedicated to the User experience and aims to improve it. I think a workgroup with the same goal would be extremely beneficial to Monero.

A workgroup dedicated to making Monero user friendly could go a long way

monero-ux :)

i like that idea. it also sounds way more exciting than a monero-documentation-workgroup

yeah, nobody wants to work on documentation, but if it's part of a bigger effort maybe...

i'd say instructions is definitely part of UX

* say instructions/documentation is

or could be :D

yeah totally. I created #monero-ux:haveno.network on matrix in the meantime

Room configured and already relayed on libera. I'll be happy to contribute and help out, but i cannot really dedicate time to leading it. crypto_grampy? Are you willing to kickstart things? :)

ErCiccione: I can definitely give it a whirl 😁

As stated before, if you can be present on Sunday, and describe the issues as you seem them with regard to documentation/updates/ux and what the need is for volunteers, i think that would be excellent

s/As stated before, if you can be present on Sunday, and describe the issues as you seem them with regard to documentation/updates/ux and what the need is for volunteers, i think that would be excellent/As stated before, if you can be present on Sunday, and describe the issues as you see them with regard to documentation/updates/ux and what the need is for volunteers, and what you would LIKE to see done in the future, i think

that would be excellent/

Sure, i will be there.

Is our meeting on Sunday this time? It is most often on Saturday.

If possible (and if it is already scheduled) let's ask ArticMine to please update the chatroom topic?

Or binaryFate.

Is there a GitHub issue for the next meeting?

I'm scrolling around and not finding the GitHub report ArticMine, but for some reason it seems the day (Sunday) and time (17:00) has been chosen?

<sgp> kanban boards are a big help. maybe try one for the website workgroup?

<sgp> github projects works quite well and helps visualize/sort issues

CakeWallet's looking for help with their Wownero integration, FYI (for anyone interested/capable 😄 ) twitter.com/cakewallet/status/1455967312578813958?s=20

I'll add more links and try to post it widely in the relevant places over the next 24 hours

Are you a web developer/writer? Do you know anything about Monero but unfortunately you have difficulties with C++? Contribute to getmonero.dev and start writing documentation for new developers: github.com/serhack/getmonero.dev

I have added both the getmonero.org open issues and this new getmonero.dev repo to the agenda for the meeting

<SerHack> "Are you a web developer/writer..." <- I was playing around with something like this a while back:

having some kind of json or yaml project protocol people can use to upload projects they need help on

and having it searchable

something kinda like that

Might be useful to have something like this in addition to monero guides.. .just a place where people can find monero related projects to help with

Nice concept